Comments on: Getting to Londonstan(i) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: shakuntala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115918 shakuntala Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:29:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115918 <blockquote>Malkani is Hindu, the narrator of his novel is Hindu too.</blockquote> <p>Red, you say that and then this:</p> <blockquote>The twist at the end was pointless too.</blockquote> <p>Meaning that you actually got to the end and found out who the narrator was. So WTF? Have I missed something?</p> <p>Despite that, I luuurrved the book, especially the slang though I generally cannot abide reading books in dialect. (Their Eyes Were Watching God - like, two pages and i had to stop). The economics lecture in the middle didn't make a lot of sense but all you haters, man, don't have to take it so seriously. it's hard for any book to live up to its hype.</p> <p>xoxo, mallu newbie from toronto</p> Malkani is Hindu, the narrator of his novel is Hindu too.

Red, you say that and then this:

The twist at the end was pointless too.

Meaning that you actually got to the end and found out who the narrator was. So WTF? Have I missed something?

Despite that, I luuurrved the book, especially the slang though I generally cannot abide reading books in dialect. (Their Eyes Were Watching God – like, two pages and i had to stop). The economics lecture in the middle didn’t make a lot of sense but all you haters, man, don’t have to take it so seriously. it’s hard for any book to live up to its hype.

xoxo, mallu newbie from toronto

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By: UberMetroMallu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115364 UberMetroMallu Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:30:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115364 <p>Nice to see lots of folks standing up for Gautam Malkani. But, he is nowhere as talented as Monica Ali when it comes to toying with the language:D</p> Nice to see lots of folks standing up for Gautam Malkani. But, he is nowhere as talented as Monica Ali when it comes to toying with the language:D

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By: mr. cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115332 mr. cicatrix Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:46:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115332 <p>i actually really enoyed the west london slang in the book... that amalgamation of west indian rudeboy swagger and punjabi hardass/momma's boy thing is one of the cultural tenets of underground London that help to explain why so much intereesting, cross-cultural, cross-identity things come out of there. It also means that i have to spend the last 30 mins of the flight into heathrow practicing how to big up all my manz dem in leeds without sounding like a yankee wanka.</p> <p>so the slang, yes. the story in general and the whizzbanger of an ending? not so much.</p> i actually really enoyed the west london slang in the book… that amalgamation of west indian rudeboy swagger and punjabi hardass/momma’s boy thing is one of the cultural tenets of underground London that help to explain why so much intereesting, cross-cultural, cross-identity things come out of there. It also means that i have to spend the last 30 mins of the flight into heathrow practicing how to big up all my manz dem in leeds without sounding like a yankee wanka.

so the slang, yes. the story in general and the whizzbanger of an ending? not so much.

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115331 Red Snapper Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:36:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115331 <blockquote>It's easy to mock Ajit's sentiment that they hadn't done their homework...but there's a more serious point, that these 'rudeboys' are just harming themselves with their attitude. By not caring about school, and not looking to the future, they are condemning themselves to a lifetime of economic struggle (and marginal economic status). </blockquote> <p>It's one of the themes in the novel. How to escape a lifetime of drudgery working at Heathrow airport.</p> It’s easy to mock Ajit’s sentiment that they hadn’t done their homework…but there’s a more serious point, that these ‘rudeboys’ are just harming themselves with their attitude. By not caring about school, and not looking to the future, they are condemning themselves to a lifetime of economic struggle (and marginal economic status).

It’s one of the themes in the novel. How to escape a lifetime of drudgery working at Heathrow airport.

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115328 Neale Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:15:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115328 <p>Amitabh, If humanity wasn't flawed the museums, libraries, and concert halls would be empty.</p> Amitabh, If humanity wasn’t flawed the museums, libraries, and concert halls would be empty.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115327 Amitabh Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:50:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115327 <blockquote>The scoundrels!</blockquote> <p>It's easy to mock Ajit's sentiment that they hadn't done their homework...but there's a more serious point, that these 'rudeboys' are just harming themselves with their attitude. By not caring about school, and not looking to the future, they are condemning themselves to a lifetime of economic struggle (and marginal economic status). They're the ones who'll suffer in the end. But yes it's possibly also true that there might not be a whole lot of opportunities in the UK anyway (any comments on that, Red Snapper?).</p> The scoundrels!

It’s easy to mock Ajit’s sentiment that they hadn’t done their homework…but there’s a more serious point, that these ‘rudeboys’ are just harming themselves with their attitude. By not caring about school, and not looking to the future, they are condemning themselves to a lifetime of economic struggle (and marginal economic status). They’re the ones who’ll suffer in the end. But yes it’s possibly also true that there might not be a whole lot of opportunities in the UK anyway (any comments on that, Red Snapper?).

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115326 sakshi Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:48:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115326 <blockquote>On the whole use of slang versus non slang: I think it is up to each author to write in whatever style they want. If the consumer chooses to buy the product than so be it.</blockquote> <p>Authors should of course be free to write as they please. But the style should evolve directly from the content, and literary devices/techniques should be necessary to tell the story effectively. They should not be pyrotechnics used to disguise, like special effects in a bad movie.</p> <p>'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -Einstein</p> On the whole use of slang versus non slang: I think it is up to each author to write in whatever style they want. If the consumer chooses to buy the product than so be it.

Authors should of course be free to write as they please. But the style should evolve directly from the content, and literary devices/techniques should be necessary to tell the story effectively. They should not be pyrotechnics used to disguise, like special effects in a bad movie.

‘Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.’ -Einstein

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115322 Neale Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:17:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115322 <blockquote>peppering of prose with some Mumbai slang </blockquote> <p>Now,there's a recipe that seems to have worked.</p> peppering of prose with some Mumbai slang

Now,there’s a recipe that seems to have worked.

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By: Sajit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115321 Sajit Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:06:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115321 <blockquote>hey sajit, wanna write a post without using the word "timepass" ? thanks. londonstani is the illest book ever. fix yo' face.</blockquote> <p>apkapita: Maybe, one day I will have the ability to write a post without using timepass.</p> <p>On the whole use of slang versus non slang: I think it is up to each author to write in whatever style they want. If the consumer chooses to buy the product than so be it. Vikram Chandra said he wrote Sacred Games for himself and his family who experienced some of the things that inspired the book. I rather like his peppering of prose with some Mumbai slang every now and again.</p> <p>With Londonstani, I thought it would be interesting had the slang been introduced selectively rather than the whole book. I thought Jas as narrator could have at least been written without the use of the "desi patois."</p> hey sajit, wanna write a post without using the word “timepass” ? thanks. londonstani is the illest book ever. fix yo’ face.

apkapita: Maybe, one day I will have the ability to write a post without using timepass.

On the whole use of slang versus non slang: I think it is up to each author to write in whatever style they want. If the consumer chooses to buy the product than so be it. Vikram Chandra said he wrote Sacred Games for himself and his family who experienced some of the things that inspired the book. I rather like his peppering of prose with some Mumbai slang every now and again.

With Londonstani, I thought it would be interesting had the slang been introduced selectively rather than the whole book. I thought Jas as narrator could have at least been written without the use of the “desi patois.”

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By: Memo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/25/getting_to_lond/comment-page-2/#comment-115320 Memo Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:01:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4142#comment-115320 <p>Rudeboy culture has been around in the uk for years and it is there to stay. The language used in the book is not just restricted to Punjabi's let alone Asians...increasingly there are more and more white kids emulating this 'street talk' or text message talk. the book i agree was a refreshing change from the immigrant experience and arranges marriage woes and as a Brit sa few references to the characters lives were things i could draw on or had seen.</p> Rudeboy culture has been around in the uk for years and it is there to stay. The language used in the book is not just restricted to Punjabi’s let alone Asians…increasingly there are more and more white kids emulating this ‘street talk’ or text message talk. the book i agree was a refreshing change from the immigrant experience and arranges marriage woes and as a Brit sa few references to the characters lives were things i could draw on or had seen.

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