Comments on: I Love A Woman In A Uniform http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: real Indian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-116003 real Indian Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:41:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-116003 <p>Even though it is good to see women taking matters into their hands, Liberia for one is not exactly a place for glory for any soldier including man. Not long ago, there was voilence to the core. Some french civilian women were raped on their way to the airport. I am sure the situation might be better now. But back then none of the UN peace keepers had a dominance over the rebels. The only soldiers who really controlled the rebels and were feared by them were the mercerneries from the company executive outcomes. They did a splendid job removed the rebels right out of their nest until the UN intervened and banned them. These were soldiers who came from special forces all over the world. Liberia definitley requires exceptional skill as a soldier to survive let alone police it. If the prblem was population appeasement only, then the problem would have been solved long back. The rebels want power do does the gvt. And there is no space for apeasement here. Yes the women contingent can be used for social programs but crowd control and teaching policing would require some field work which can be extremely dangerous. This is not india, where very few people with guns have to be worried about. We are talking of rebels from ages 8 to 50 atleast all of them yeilding ak 47s. 105 women cannot really hope to control all that. this is madness. The problem is to make sure the govt forces are in a postion to control areas for policing, then start all the other programs. Liberia is defintely not yet ready for a women contingent.</p> Even though it is good to see women taking matters into their hands, Liberia for one is not exactly a place for glory for any soldier including man. Not long ago, there was voilence to the core. Some french civilian women were raped on their way to the airport. I am sure the situation might be better now. But back then none of the UN peace keepers had a dominance over the rebels. The only soldiers who really controlled the rebels and were feared by them were the mercerneries from the company executive outcomes. They did a splendid job removed the rebels right out of their nest until the UN intervened and banned them. These were soldiers who came from special forces all over the world. Liberia definitley requires exceptional skill as a soldier to survive let alone police it. If the prblem was population appeasement only, then the problem would have been solved long back. The rebels want power do does the gvt. And there is no space for apeasement here. Yes the women contingent can be used for social programs but crowd control and teaching policing would require some field work which can be extremely dangerous. This is not india, where very few people with guns have to be worried about. We are talking of rebels from ages 8 to 50 atleast all of them yeilding ak 47s. 105 women cannot really hope to control all that. this is madness. The problem is to make sure the govt forces are in a postion to control areas for policing, then start all the other programs. Liberia is defintely not yet ready for a women contingent.

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-114491 GujuDude Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:30:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-114491 <p>Ennis - you maybe right, haven't checked up on the latest in Liberia recently.</p> <p>Regardless of what the current situation is, my concerns still stand from a larger, general point of view about all female units going into hot zones. There is much I (we) don't know here of how said units are used on a tactical level.</p> Ennis – you maybe right, haven’t checked up on the latest in Liberia recently.

Regardless of what the current situation is, my concerns still stand from a larger, general point of view about all female units going into hot zones. There is much I (we) don’t know here of how said units are used on a tactical level.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-114487 Ennis Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:26:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-114487 <p>GD - it was my impression that Liberia was pretty calm now. Not as calm as Sierra Leone next door, but pretty stable. I'd have to check first, but I'd have no objection to going myself or having my sister go there (although not as a cop, she's not built for the task).</p> GD – it was my impression that Liberia was pretty calm now. Not as calm as Sierra Leone next door, but pretty stable. I’d have to check first, but I’d have no objection to going myself or having my sister go there (although not as a cop, she’s not built for the task).

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-114485 GujuDude Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:24:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-114485 <p>I've got mixed feelings on this one.</p> <p>On one hand, it is good to see women take a fair share of peacekeeping duties. On the other hand, depending on where they're deployed (and how) can be either ineffective, simply a PR stunt, or effective, or a total disaster.</p> <p>I'm more worried about such a contingent being targeted for specifically being all female in a place as crazy as Liberia, where women aren't really considered high up in the respect chain. A lot depends on how said peacekeepers are deployed and the ROE given to such unit. They better be able to shoot and call heavy backup when necessary, else, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.</p> I’ve got mixed feelings on this one.

On one hand, it is good to see women take a fair share of peacekeeping duties. On the other hand, depending on where they’re deployed (and how) can be either ineffective, simply a PR stunt, or effective, or a total disaster.

I’m more worried about such a contingent being targeted for specifically being all female in a place as crazy as Liberia, where women aren’t really considered high up in the respect chain. A lot depends on how said peacekeepers are deployed and the ROE given to such unit. They better be able to shoot and call heavy backup when necessary, else, they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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By: tash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113809 tash Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:27:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113809 <blockquote>He's worth it. He's very powerful and serious, despite the jokes. So is D'Souza for that matter. I've often expressed opinions in line with theirs on this site and people think I'm joking, or even worse, trolling...<b>when I'm really dead ass serious</b>. </blockquote> <p>Ahhh, now there's the late-morning pick me up I was looking for :)</p> <p>Manju, that was just...PRICELESS...</p> <p>i'm off now to ignore at my own peril...</p> He’s worth it. He’s very powerful and serious, despite the jokes. So is D’Souza for that matter. I’ve often expressed opinions in line with theirs on this site and people think I’m joking, or even worse, trolling…when I’m really dead ass serious.

Ahhh, now there’s the late-morning pick me up I was looking for :)

Manju, that was just…PRICELESS…

i’m off now to ignore at my own peril…

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By: Mistress of Spices http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113768 Mistress of Spices Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:46:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113768 <p>Women in the police force and the military are not neccessarily "over-masculizing". Rather, they are in positions which require a higher level of testosterone than corporate office jobs or whatever.</p> <p>A high level of physical fitness is needed in these professions and exercise increases testosterone levels. There is no escaping that.</p> Women in the police force and the military are not neccessarily “over-masculizing”. Rather, they are in positions which require a higher level of testosterone than corporate office jobs or whatever.

A high level of physical fitness is needed in these professions and exercise increases testosterone levels. There is no escaping that.

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113744 hema Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:17:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113744 <p><i>So ignore at your own peril.</i></p> <p>I don't feel that I'm imperiled by ignoring Limbaugh's various pronouncements any more than others are imperiled by ignoring the pronouncements of Al Franken. Any serious substantive content in Limbaugh's statements is lost, because of the manner in which he chooses to deliver them.</p> <p>There are plenty of other commentators whose message is delivered with more depth and less vitriol. So I'll just stick to ignoring loudmouths like Limbaugh, thankyouverymuch.</p> So ignore at your own peril.

I don’t feel that I’m imperiled by ignoring Limbaugh’s various pronouncements any more than others are imperiled by ignoring the pronouncements of Al Franken. Any serious substantive content in Limbaugh’s statements is lost, because of the manner in which he chooses to deliver them.

There are plenty of other commentators whose message is delivered with more depth and less vitriol. So I’ll just stick to ignoring loudmouths like Limbaugh, thankyouverymuch.

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113740 hema Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:12:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113740 <p><i>Nobody is stopping indian women from doing what they want except their moms and sisters and aunties. </i></p> <p>Yes, I'm almost certain that their dads, brothers, and uncles have nothing to do with it. There is a huge difference between what society (not government) appears to sanction, and what it actually sanctions. You cannot legislate away social discrimination. For every female CEO in India, there are five women being repressed in some way, and not just by other women either.</p> <p>By the way, I don't limit these comments to Indian society either. The western world is just as bad, and because gender discrimination is so "in the closet" in the US (for example), it is actually more invidious.</p> Nobody is stopping indian women from doing what they want except their moms and sisters and aunties.

Yes, I’m almost certain that their dads, brothers, and uncles have nothing to do with it. There is a huge difference between what society (not government) appears to sanction, and what it actually sanctions. You cannot legislate away social discrimination. For every female CEO in India, there are five women being repressed in some way, and not just by other women either.

By the way, I don’t limit these comments to Indian society either. The western world is just as bad, and because gender discrimination is so “in the closet” in the US (for example), it is actually more invidious.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113729 Manju Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:59:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113729 <blockquote>Limbaugh isn't really worth all the time and resources expended to be outraged by him.</blockquote> <p>He's worth it. He's very powerful and serious, despite the jokes. So is D'Souza for that matter. I've often expressed opinions in line with theirs on this site and people think I'm joking, or even worse, trolling...when I'm really dead ass serious.</p> <p>One of the reasons the right ascended in the 70's and 80's is b/c the left never took them seriously enough to engage. Reagan was a joke and the dems were just dying to run against him. Then he won and the next thing you know that which was considered so radical became mainstream.</p> <p>So ignore at your own peril.</p> Limbaugh isn’t really worth all the time and resources expended to be outraged by him.

He’s worth it. He’s very powerful and serious, despite the jokes. So is D’Souza for that matter. I’ve often expressed opinions in line with theirs on this site and people think I’m joking, or even worse, trolling…when I’m really dead ass serious.

One of the reasons the right ascended in the 70′s and 80′s is b/c the left never took them seriously enough to engage. Reagan was a joke and the dems were just dying to run against him. Then he won and the next thing you know that which was considered so radical became mainstream.

So ignore at your own peril.

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By: Mytake http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/19/a_police_action/comment-page-1/#comment-113708 Mytake Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:18:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4124#comment-113708 <blockquote>An all-female peacekeeping force is also a little sad, when you think about it. Indian society made so little progress in gender equality that the only way women can advance is in a parallel unit with no male competitors, the only way women can be secure is if they ride in "ladies special" buses, etc. </blockquote> <p>You are the one who thinks this way about women peacekeeping force. Not all Indian women. Nobody is stopping indian women from doing what they want except their moms and sisters and aunties. I don't know if Indra Nooyi went in "Ladies Special" or not. But I know she became the CEO of Pepsi. I am yet to see a gender equalized nation like US yet to have equal number of women CEOs and presidents. Where are they?. So what is the purpose of sorority houses. I am sure that is also to ensure women can advance in a parallel unit. Maybe we can have unisex bathrooms also to ensure that women are not unequal to men.</p> An all-female peacekeeping force is also a little sad, when you think about it. Indian society made so little progress in gender equality that the only way women can advance is in a parallel unit with no male competitors, the only way women can be secure is if they ride in “ladies special” buses, etc.

You are the one who thinks this way about women peacekeeping force. Not all Indian women. Nobody is stopping indian women from doing what they want except their moms and sisters and aunties. I don’t know if Indra Nooyi went in “Ladies Special” or not. But I know she became the CEO of Pepsi. I am yet to see a gender equalized nation like US yet to have equal number of women CEOs and presidents. Where are they?. So what is the purpose of sorority houses. I am sure that is also to ensure women can advance in a parallel unit. Maybe we can have unisex bathrooms also to ensure that women are not unequal to men.

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