Oh, give it up already!

I would urge people to check out Prof. Juan Cole’s Top 10 Myth’s about Iraq 2006 His top one is …

1. Myth number one is that the United States “can still win” in Iraq.

If you think that Juan Cole is America hater then check out 6 brutal truths about Iraq by, Gen. Willian Odom

One of his truths

Truth No. 3: The theory that “we broke it and therefore we own it,” with all the moral baggage it implies, is simply untrue because it is not within U.S. power to “fix it.”

The sign of hubris is that US thinks that its presence has some kind of “effect” on keeping Iraq togather. This hubris is going to get more American soldiers killed, while US presence remaining irrelevant to the conflict, as it is now.

The stupidest thing about Iraq I hear on TV is about this “are we winning??” WTF?? Its a civil war between two parties and US is not one of them. How can the US win?

I think everyone assumed, including the Clintons, that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD’s…and this alone justifyed a war in the eyes of mainstream democrats. His behaviour toward the UN seemed to “confirm” this. I think he really wanted to world to believe he had stockpiles because that was a critical to his power. He succeeded.

Agree, so would I. There doesn’t have to be any equivocation on whether Palestinian suicide bombers are terrorists or not.

and the kuwaitis and israelis, our allies.

America doesn’t care about self-contained terrorism.

this is true of pat buchanan and other realists but the neo-cons, including rummy, challenge this view. It doesn’t take a great leap of imagination to see how regional terrorists (say Hamas or hezbollah) could want to attack us too (because of our support of israel).

Saddam was secularist who would have executed Al Qaeda agents as well as Iranian agents within his borders.

True, so would N.Korea…but we still worry about tem giving WMD’s to terrorists.

The only “terrorists” he openly supported were the families of Palestinain suicide bombers sent against Israel (after death monetary support).

I’d remove the quotes. there’s also Abu Nidal,PLF, MKO, Hamas, ansar al islam, Abdul Rahman Yasin (helped bomb wtc in ’93).

Come on, don’t be juvenile and put words in my mouth. I am analyzing it objectively from an American foreign policy perspective. The North Korean dictator and the leadership of Sudan are terrorizing their own people every bit as badly as Saddam terrorized his. Why don’t we stop them? Because we are selfish and it is better for us to not stop them. In Iraq’s case the right wing thought it was better to intervene for selfish reasons. There wasn’t a moral component to it.

But a certain American president departed from that for good. And you oppose it?

I oppose incompetence and ignorance and those that confuse the two with morality.

Thank god for George W Bush.

Really, your comment would have been just as significant if you had just written that one line.