Comments on: Merry Christmas to All, and to All, “Show Some Pride!” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-3/#comment-108877 SM Intern Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:53:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108877 <p>...annnnd this thread is no longer productive, constructive or _____-ive. Merry Christmas to all and to all, Good night.</p> …annnnd this thread is no longer productive, constructive or _____-ive. Merry Christmas to all and to all, Good night.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-3/#comment-108875 A N N A Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:21:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108875 <blockquote>What made Tirupathi's comment <b>unproductive</b></blockquote> <p>...was an unnecessarily combative tone and the assertion that she could/has done better, without having the courtesy to be willing to prove it. I understand the issues women face by putting themselves "out there" in an online capacity better than most; if that's the motivation for not identifying oneself, then one cannot make unsubstantiated claims and expect to be taken seriously. Can't have your cupcake and eat it, too. The only reason I mentioned "trollery" was just that. <a href="http://www.unc.edu/depts/jomc/academics/dri/idog.html">On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog</a>...or an accomplished writer.</p> What made Tirupathi’s comment unproductive

…was an unnecessarily combative tone and the assertion that she could/has done better, without having the courtesy to be willing to prove it. I understand the issues women face by putting themselves “out there” in an online capacity better than most; if that’s the motivation for not identifying oneself, then one cannot make unsubstantiated claims and expect to be taken seriously. Can’t have your cupcake and eat it, too. The only reason I mentioned “trollery” was just that. On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog…or an accomplished writer.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-3/#comment-108874 Deepa Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:17:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108874 <p>Well said, siddhartha.</p> Well said, siddhartha.

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By: desishiksa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-3/#comment-108873 desishiksa Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:13:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108873 <blockquote>What made Tirupathi's comment unproductive (by causing everyone to jump on her, and the nasty back and forth that followed) was by calling Nitya's piece bad writing.</blockquote> <p>I agree. I think she had a point which I agree with, but she could have articulated it without criticizing Nitya's writing. And anyway, the appropriate response would not be to criticize the author, who wrote the story she wanted to write, but the Washington Post, for not including stories with the opposite perspective i.e., why I don't celebrate Christmas (which I can kind of understand why they didn't want to include on Christmas day, but I'm sure there is some masterful writer who could articulate that sentiment without bringing down the Christmas spirit...like a story about a traditional "Jewish Christmas", i.e Chinese food and a movie).</p> What made Tirupathi’s comment unproductive (by causing everyone to jump on her, and the nasty back and forth that followed) was by calling Nitya’s piece bad writing.

I agree. I think she had a point which I agree with, but she could have articulated it without criticizing Nitya’s writing. And anyway, the appropriate response would not be to criticize the author, who wrote the story she wanted to write, but the Washington Post, for not including stories with the opposite perspective i.e., why I don’t celebrate Christmas (which I can kind of understand why they didn’t want to include on Christmas day, but I’m sure there is some masterful writer who could articulate that sentiment without bringing down the Christmas spirit…like a story about a traditional “Jewish Christmas”, i.e Chinese food and a movie).

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By: Huey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-3/#comment-108871 Huey Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:59:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108871 <p>I'm so craving an egg nog milkshake. And thanks, chick pea. I'm glad you remembered JB. I'm from Georgia, so the news of him passing was seriously huge.</p> <p>Unfortunately, the only place where they serve egg nog milkshakes are <b>Steak & Shake</b> and <b>Checkers</b>...at least until New Year's.</p> I’m so craving an egg nog milkshake. And thanks, chick pea. I’m glad you remembered JB. I’m from Georgia, so the news of him passing was seriously huge.

Unfortunately, the only place where they serve egg nog milkshakes are Steak & Shake and Checkers…at least until New Year’s.

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By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-108867 Sahej Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:39:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108867 <p>Word up. There's quite a lot of grist for the mill here, if this is the right venue, I'm not sure. Maybe another thread where these topics can be opened up might work better</p> <p>respects,</p> Word up. There’s quite a lot of grist for the mill here, if this is the right venue, I’m not sure. Maybe another thread where these topics can be opened up might work better

respects,

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-108864 siddhartha Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:34:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108864 <p>There's a useful point lurking within Tirupathi Gardens' critique. If you look at the New York Times styles section from this past weekend, the cover feature is about "How I learned to stop worrying and embrace Christmas" and it includes three or four first-person stories about just that: narratives of coming to embrace Xmas when one was previously disposed not to, whether for reasons of ethnicity or religion, parental influence, personal preference, etc. One particularly well-worn sub-narrative is the one of people of Jewish origin coming to terms with/accepting Christmas. Another is that of people who are leery of materialism and conspicuous consumption saying "screw it, we can have fun on Xmas too." All these stories are perfectly fine and perfectly authentic; what's interesting is that you get, say, a NYT feature package with four variations on that story and not a single counter-narrative.</p> <p>Now, Nitya's op-ed can easily be read in this context as participating in the same tendency. It doesn't take anything away from the authenticity of Nitya's testimonial. It's just that such testimonials are pretty common at this season. Perhaps the variation of this testimonial coming from a desi, as opposed to a Jew or a socialist, is something that isn't all that common yet in mainstream press, but the overall narrative is definitely out there.</p> <p>I think Tirupathi was pointing this out and perhaps bemoaning the lack of counter-narratives out there in the media around Xmas these days. That's a fair point and one worth talking about.</p> <p>What made Tirupathi's comment unproductive (by causing everyone to jump on her, and the nasty back and forth that followed) was by calling Nitya's piece bad writing. With respect to the quality of writing, Nitya's piece is actually excellent. Nitya is a terrific writer. It's not bad writing, it's writing ona theme that perhaps some people find is quite common out there in this season, one that raises issues of conformity and materialism and all the other issues that Christmas raises, and that invites counter-narratives, rather than nasty flame wars.</p> <p>Peace out, y'all.</p> There’s a useful point lurking within Tirupathi Gardens’ critique. If you look at the New York Times styles section from this past weekend, the cover feature is about “How I learned to stop worrying and embrace Christmas” and it includes three or four first-person stories about just that: narratives of coming to embrace Xmas when one was previously disposed not to, whether for reasons of ethnicity or religion, parental influence, personal preference, etc. One particularly well-worn sub-narrative is the one of people of Jewish origin coming to terms with/accepting Christmas. Another is that of people who are leery of materialism and conspicuous consumption saying “screw it, we can have fun on Xmas too.” All these stories are perfectly fine and perfectly authentic; what’s interesting is that you get, say, a NYT feature package with four variations on that story and not a single counter-narrative.

Now, Nitya’s op-ed can easily be read in this context as participating in the same tendency. It doesn’t take anything away from the authenticity of Nitya’s testimonial. It’s just that such testimonials are pretty common at this season. Perhaps the variation of this testimonial coming from a desi, as opposed to a Jew or a socialist, is something that isn’t all that common yet in mainstream press, but the overall narrative is definitely out there.

I think Tirupathi was pointing this out and perhaps bemoaning the lack of counter-narratives out there in the media around Xmas these days. That’s a fair point and one worth talking about.

What made Tirupathi’s comment unproductive (by causing everyone to jump on her, and the nasty back and forth that followed) was by calling Nitya’s piece bad writing. With respect to the quality of writing, Nitya’s piece is actually excellent. Nitya is a terrific writer. It’s not bad writing, it’s writing ona theme that perhaps some people find is quite common out there in this season, one that raises issues of conformity and materialism and all the other issues that Christmas raises, and that invites counter-narratives, rather than nasty flame wars.

Peace out, y’all.

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-108863 Shruti Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:58:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108863 <p>I'm going to spike everyone's Silk Soy Nog with som'n fierce so that we can calm down and <i>really</i> start gettin' merry here.</p> <p>Wishing everyone peace and love for the last remaining days of the year.</p> I’m going to spike everyone’s Silk Soy Nog with som’n fierce so that we can calm down and really start gettin’ merry here.

Wishing everyone peace and love for the last remaining days of the year.

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By: Sriram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-108862 Sriram Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:39:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108862 <blockquote>I swear to Ganesha that if you kids don't play nice, I will pull this car right over and close this thread. </blockquote> <p>SM Intern, given that the bunker is currently populated by only yourself and one other blogger, I suggest you go ahead and close this thread and enjoy the season's cheer, which apparently does not exist amongst the masses this year. Even Mutineers deserve a day off now and then, and I'm sure both of you have things you would rather be doing.</p> I swear to Ganesha that if you kids don’t play nice, I will pull this car right over and close this thread.

SM Intern, given that the bunker is currently populated by only yourself and one other blogger, I suggest you go ahead and close this thread and enjoy the season’s cheer, which apparently does not exist amongst the masses this year. Even Mutineers deserve a day off now and then, and I’m sure both of you have things you would rather be doing.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/25/merry_christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-108861 HMF Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:30:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4045#comment-108861 <blockquote>growing up wanting to be american but eventually coming to terms with your indianness...it's been done before</blockquote> <p>oh YEAH? like <b>WHERE?</b></p> <p>Seriously though Ms. Gardens, I think we're all aware what's been done and not done before, but I just think given the relevance of the day and the fact that such opinions are represented in a somewhat mainstream paper is what made it news worthy. As for rapport making criticisms less admissible, that's just a facet of human nature.</p> <p>The story might ring as banal within our community, but it's news to your average white folk. Your average white folk shrieks in horror when they learn that there exist people in America that <i>haven't</i> always celebrated Christmas (or now Chanukah), or at the very least, had it as a point of contention within their family. For them it was given, something that just was, something to never think about from any other perspective, but the way they always did.</p> growing up wanting to be american but eventually coming to terms with your indianness…it’s been done before

oh YEAH? like WHERE?

Seriously though Ms. Gardens, I think we’re all aware what’s been done and not done before, but I just think given the relevance of the day and the fact that such opinions are represented in a somewhat mainstream paper is what made it news worthy. As for rapport making criticisms less admissible, that’s just a facet of human nature.

The story might ring as banal within our community, but it’s news to your average white folk. Your average white folk shrieks in horror when they learn that there exist people in America that haven’t always celebrated Christmas (or now Chanukah), or at the very least, had it as a point of contention within their family. For them it was given, something that just was, something to never think about from any other perspective, but the way they always did.

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