Comments on: Sudhir Venkatesh Runs the Voodoo Down http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-2/#comment-107922 Filmiholic Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:37:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107922 <p>Neale (44), I listened to the podcast today and thought the very same thing.</p> Neale (44), I listened to the podcast today and thought the very same thing.

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By: denise http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-2/#comment-107636 denise Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:53:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107636 <p>Thanks Manju...I should have stated clearly that there should be <b>more</b> scholarly research pertaining to middle and upper-class African Americans. Lawrence Otis Graham has received some flack for his work, but it still represents an alternative, flaws and all.</p> Thanks Manju…I should have stated clearly that there should be more scholarly research pertaining to middle and upper-class African Americans. Lawrence Otis Graham has received some flack for his work, but it still represents an alternative, flaws and all.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-2/#comment-107635 Manju Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:30:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107635 <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Our-Kind-People-Inside-Americas/dp/0060984384">Presto</a></p> Presto

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By: denise http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-2/#comment-107633 denise Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:24:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107633 <p>I am personally tired of hearing about the 'hood. Why dosen't someone research middle and upper-class African Americans? It's as if they're invisible. I'm beginning to believe that African Americans who fit preconcieved stereotypes are the only ones worthy of academic research and/or public interest.</p> I am personally tired of hearing about the ‘hood. Why dosen’t someone research middle and upper-class African Americans? It’s as if they’re invisible. I’m beginning to believe that African Americans who fit preconcieved stereotypes are the only ones worthy of academic research and/or public interest.

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By: Satish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-2/#comment-107474 Satish Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:38:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107474 <p>Venkatesh did a story for This American life a few months ago. You can find it at www.thislife.org in the archives</p> <p>4/14 Episode 311 Act Two. Everything Must Go. Nellie Thomas sold ammunition illegally on the South side of Chicago. He made a good living – in cash. And that was his problem. The money was driving him crazy. He was ashamed to tell his family how he earned it, he was afraid he'd be robbed, and he didn't know how to get rid of it. So he kept it in big black garbage bags which he hid around his house and yard. Then one day, he came up with the perfect way to get rid of the money. Sudhir Alladi Venkatesh tells Nellie's story. Sudhir's a sociology professor at Columbia University and author of the forthcoming Off the Books: The Underground Economy of the Urban Poor.</p> Venkatesh did a story for This American life a few months ago. You can find it at http://www.thislife.org in the archives

4/14 Episode 311 Act Two. Everything Must Go. Nellie Thomas sold ammunition illegally on the South side of Chicago. He made a good living – in cash. And that was his problem. The money was driving him crazy. He was ashamed to tell his family how he earned it, he was afraid he’d be robbed, and he didn’t know how to get rid of it. So he kept it in big black garbage bags which he hid around his house and yard. Then one day, he came up with the perfect way to get rid of the money. Sudhir Alladi Venkatesh tells Nellie’s story. Sudhir’s a sociology professor at Columbia University and author of the forthcoming Off the Books: The Underground Economy of the Urban Poor.

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-1/#comment-107177 Jai Singh Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:43:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107177 <p><b>AlMfD,</b></p> <blockquote>I stand exposed and plead guilty.</blockquote> <p>I am pleased to see your gesture of voluntary self-emasculation and am sure that it will contribute to the further empowerment of our disenfranchised chromatically-challenged brothers and sisters everywhere in the supra-South Asian diaspora.</p> <p><b>Bliss,</b></p> <p>You like 2 and 1/2 men and Friends? This is unforgivable.</p> <p>Well, I really like <i>Frasier </i>too.</p> <blockquote>You have to check out 'How I met your mother' for quality American laffs.</blockquote> <p>I saw a couple of episodes recently screened by the BBC here in the UK. It seemed okay although not as snappy as Frasier or 2.5 Men (maybe I'd need to watch it continuously to really get into it). Some hot women, though, which I noticed and appreciated.</p> <blockquote>BTW, us yankees want to thank you for Jimmy Carr. He's quite fantastic.</blockquote> <p>Yeah he's good. Takes badmaashi to a whole new level ;) He can be quite wildly politically-incorrect, but I don't find him gratuitously offensive like Ricky Gervais sometimes is during his live performances. There's a line between being borderline-risque and just being a jerk in the name of being "cheeky".</p> <p>Anyway, enough threadjacking from me :) Back to the debate about the ghetto, or as some of us in the UK used to jokingly refer to places like Southall in West London, "the pind".....</p> AlMfD,

I stand exposed and plead guilty.

I am pleased to see your gesture of voluntary self-emasculation and am sure that it will contribute to the further empowerment of our disenfranchised chromatically-challenged brothers and sisters everywhere in the supra-South Asian diaspora.

Bliss,

You like 2 and 1/2 men and Friends? This is unforgivable.

Well, I really like Frasier too.

You have to check out ‘How I met your mother’ for quality American laffs.

I saw a couple of episodes recently screened by the BBC here in the UK. It seemed okay although not as snappy as Frasier or 2.5 Men (maybe I’d need to watch it continuously to really get into it). Some hot women, though, which I noticed and appreciated.

BTW, us yankees want to thank you for Jimmy Carr. He’s quite fantastic.

Yeah he’s good. Takes badmaashi to a whole new level ;) He can be quite wildly politically-incorrect, but I don’t find him gratuitously offensive like Ricky Gervais sometimes is during his live performances. There’s a line between being borderline-risque and just being a jerk in the name of being “cheeky”.

Anyway, enough threadjacking from me :) Back to the debate about the ghetto, or as some of us in the UK used to jokingly refer to places like Southall in West London, “the pind”…..

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-1/#comment-107145 Manju Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:58:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107145 <blockquote>I am pretty sure Ghetto is still an acceptable term, not sure where you guys are getting this from.</blockquote> <p>Since I spend time in the ghetto, allow me to let you in on a secret. It's all a big practical joke that blacks are playing on whites. once the use of the n-word became as bad as denying the holocaust, blacks got together and decided to move the goalposts. So they took words that (unlike the "organically" racist n-word) had absolutely no racist connotations, first negro then afro-american, and declared them racist. Hysterically, whites followed suit.</p> <p>so then they decided to take the joke to an incredibly absurd--almost andy kaufman-- level. They decided to start using the n-word themselves! while maintaining the taboo!! Ridiculously, whites fell in line.</p> <p>Now, theyÂ’re moving onto words like "ghetto" that only tangentially refer to blacks. Next up "white christmas" will be banned. I'm telling you, theyÂ’re all uptown now laughing their asses off.</p> I am pretty sure Ghetto is still an acceptable term, not sure where you guys are getting this from.

Since I spend time in the ghetto, allow me to let you in on a secret. It’s all a big practical joke that blacks are playing on whites. once the use of the n-word became as bad as denying the holocaust, blacks got together and decided to move the goalposts. So they took words that (unlike the “organically” racist n-word) had absolutely no racist connotations, first negro then afro-american, and declared them racist. Hysterically, whites followed suit.

so then they decided to take the joke to an incredibly absurd–almost andy kaufman– level. They decided to start using the n-word themselves! while maintaining the taboo!! Ridiculously, whites fell in line.

Now, theyÂ’re moving onto words like “ghetto” that only tangentially refer to blacks. Next up “white christmas” will be banned. I’m telling you, theyÂ’re all uptown now laughing their asses off.

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By: chitrana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-1/#comment-107121 chitrana Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:02:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107121 <p>I am pretty sure Ghetto is still an acceptable term, not sure where you guys are getting this from. Unless you want to be really ghetto and call it the 'hood'.</p> <p>@Neal, was there an uproar over that new supreme court ruling about school integration? I agree that it does probably have more to do with race than anything else.</p> <blockquote>Amazing, i had the exact same experience working as a community organizer in Chicago. This is a highly complex issue, I think - since Sudhir's time the race politics in the city have mutated a little bit, and I think desis sometimes do have a determinate and potentially threatening presence, specifically in terms of the classic merchant relationship many corner store owners have with community members. However since I also occasionally pass for Black, Mexican, or Puerto Rican, I think I blended in a bit more.</blockquote> <p>Hopefully, it wont turn into a real tense relationship like with Koreans and Blacks in LA.</p> I am pretty sure Ghetto is still an acceptable term, not sure where you guys are getting this from. Unless you want to be really ghetto and call it the ‘hood’.

@Neal, was there an uproar over that new supreme court ruling about school integration? I agree that it does probably have more to do with race than anything else.

Amazing, i had the exact same experience working as a community organizer in Chicago. This is a highly complex issue, I think – since Sudhir’s time the race politics in the city have mutated a little bit, and I think desis sometimes do have a determinate and potentially threatening presence, specifically in terms of the classic merchant relationship many corner store owners have with community members. However since I also occasionally pass for Black, Mexican, or Puerto Rican, I think I blended in a bit more.

Hopefully, it wont turn into a real tense relationship like with Koreans and Blacks in LA.

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By: angrez da putar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-1/#comment-107109 angrez da putar Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:24:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107109 <p>"has some major cajones"</p> <p>cojones, I think. Cajones would be large boxes though possibly the feller has some of those too.</p> <p>Nice to bring in our Spanish-speaking brothers and sisters, though.</p> “has some major cajones”

cojones, I think. Cajones would be large boxes though possibly the feller has some of those too.

Nice to bring in our Spanish-speaking brothers and sisters, though.

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By: Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/12/14/sudhir_venkates/comment-page-1/#comment-107098 Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:33:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4027#comment-107098 <p><i>Try getting up in front of a group of 38 kids who live in crumbling row houses or public housing and using the word ghetto. You'll be jeered after they've recovered from falling out of their chairs laughing at you.</i></p> <p>True that!</p> Try getting up in front of a group of 38 kids who live in crumbling row houses or public housing and using the word ghetto. You’ll be jeered after they’ve recovered from falling out of their chairs laughing at you.

True that!

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