Comments on: Who’s objecting? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: tash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104413 tash Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:54:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104413 <p>Poor Misbah/Molly's fate to live in a world where choosing either one of those names brings up two v different connotations for many in the West...</p> <p>if she's Misbah she needs to get sent packing back to Scotland, that country in second only to Wales in being Most Fucking Boring Place in Western Europe. If she's Molly then her Muslim Pakistani heritage clearly doesn't matter because she looks like she can 'pass' for a Molly anyway.</p> <p>I hope she keeps rocking her bright salwars wherever she lives :) I think Sriram's comment before about the process being more important than the policy is true for the British legal system. Also the fact is that most judges in western legal systems belong to a certain social group (say it along with me kids), white middle class males, whose basic knowledge of anyone from Third World countries is a glorious combination of immgigration/anti terrorism laws, World Vision ads, token characters in movies and boiled orange cream with boneless chicken masquerading as a curry...</p> <p>as in the country where I live, many UK judges would rely on a rudimentary judgment of how much a young brown minor knows about traditional foods, clothing and religious practices before deciding which country they can live in.</p> <p>I have to say I agree with Sin's view that realigning oneself with traditional religion has become a mechanism for some people to find a shortcut to getting a perfectly clear cut identity...I just hope Molly/Misbah realises wherever she lives, that for many of us including her, there is no such thing. She should be proud of both her names, just like both her pics with her parents show her Scottish and Pakistani heritage.</p> Poor Misbah/Molly’s fate to live in a world where choosing either one of those names brings up two v different connotations for many in the West…

if she’s Misbah she needs to get sent packing back to Scotland, that country in second only to Wales in being Most Fucking Boring Place in Western Europe. If she’s Molly then her Muslim Pakistani heritage clearly doesn’t matter because she looks like she can ‘pass’ for a Molly anyway.

I hope she keeps rocking her bright salwars wherever she lives :) I think Sriram’s comment before about the process being more important than the policy is true for the British legal system. Also the fact is that most judges in western legal systems belong to a certain social group (say it along with me kids), white middle class males, whose basic knowledge of anyone from Third World countries is a glorious combination of immgigration/anti terrorism laws, World Vision ads, token characters in movies and boiled orange cream with boneless chicken masquerading as a curry…

as in the country where I live, many UK judges would rely on a rudimentary judgment of how much a young brown minor knows about traditional foods, clothing and religious practices before deciding which country they can live in.

I have to say I agree with Sin’s view that realigning oneself with traditional religion has become a mechanism for some people to find a shortcut to getting a perfectly clear cut identity…I just hope Molly/Misbah realises wherever she lives, that for many of us including her, there is no such thing. She should be proud of both her names, just like both her pics with her parents show her Scottish and Pakistani heritage.

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By: Homer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104410 Homer Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:40:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104410 <blockquote>I just hope that she's able to rise above the nasty custody politics and unneeded media attention to become a well-adjusted adolescent who doesn't need too much therapy..... :) </blockquote> <p>Mmmm ... custardy politics</p> I just hope that she’s able to rise above the nasty custody politics and unneeded media attention to become a well-adjusted adolescent who doesn’t need too much therapy….. :)

Mmmm … custardy politics

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By: Naveeda http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104407 Naveeda Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:52:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104407 <p>Ah, I meant whoever racially abused her knew that she has a Pakistani father, like what Andrea suggests. I'm sleep deprived, apologies.</p> Ah, I meant whoever racially abused her knew that she has a Pakistani father, like what Andrea suggests. I’m sleep deprived, apologies.

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By: Naveeda http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104406 Naveeda Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:46:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104406 <p>Akh!Just exactly what is a "Paki" supposed to look like? Speaking as a Pakistani, we've got blond-haired, green-eyed folk, among our bunch. And it is possible that whoever racially abused her didn't have to look at her to know she has a Pakistani father. So no one really needs to decide or judge whether she looks it or not, or does that make her story more credible?</p> Akh!Just exactly what is a “Paki” supposed to look like? Speaking as a Pakistani, we’ve got blond-haired, green-eyed folk, among our bunch. And it is possible that whoever racially abused her didn’t have to look at her to know she has a Pakistani father. So no one really needs to decide or judge whether she looks it or not, or does that make her story more credible?

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By: andrea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104405 andrea Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:43:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104405 <p><i>From the picture in that article, she doesnt look "Paki" at all.</i></p> <p>What I gathered from the articles I read, is that it was her stepfather calling her Paki... doesn't matter what she looked like, just the fact that she's half Pakistani is enough to make it a perfect sore spot in a fight between husband and wife when stepdad's drunk.</p> <p>She looks just like mum, and adorable in orange salwar kameez :)</p> <p>I just hope that she's able to rise above the nasty custody politics and unneeded media attention to become a well-adjusted adolescent who doesn't need too much therapy..... :)</p> From the picture in that article, she doesnt look “Paki” at all.

What I gathered from the articles I read, is that it was her stepfather calling her Paki… doesn’t matter what she looked like, just the fact that she’s half Pakistani is enough to make it a perfect sore spot in a fight between husband and wife when stepdad’s drunk.

She looks just like mum, and adorable in orange salwar kameez :)

I just hope that she’s able to rise above the nasty custody politics and unneeded media attention to become a well-adjusted adolescent who doesn’t need too much therapy….. :)

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-3/#comment-104395 RC Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:36:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104395 <p>From the article in ANNA's comment #42</p> <blockquote>a girl who was - she claims - racially abused and called a "Paki".</blockquote> <p>From the picture in that article, she doesnt look "Paki" at all. Here <a href="http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/mollycampbell091006_274x700.jpg"> you decide </a></p> <p>Sorry for the tangential comment.</p> From the article in ANNA’s comment #42

a girl who was – she claims – racially abused and called a “Paki”.

From the picture in that article, she doesnt look “Paki” at all. Here you decide

Sorry for the tangential comment.

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By: Mountbatten http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-2/#comment-104385 Mountbatten Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:27:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104385 <blockquote>The second most popular soccer club in Kolkata is called "The Mohammedans", though most of their players and fans are Hindu. No one seems to care. </blockquote> <p>Where is Kolkata?</p> The second most popular soccer club in Kolkata is called “The Mohammedans”, though most of their players and fans are Hindu. No one seems to care.

Where is Kolkata?

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-2/#comment-104384 Kush Tandon Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:09:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104384 <p><i>The second most popular soccer club in Kolkata is called "The Mohammedans", though most of their players and fans are Hindu. No one seems to care.</i></p> <p>The soccer team, "The Mohammedans" are very popular and deeply entrenched amongst their fans for now ages.</p> <p>Also, there is a huge portal - <b><a href="http://www.chowk.com/home.cgi?pid=pass">Chowk</a></b> - mostly run by Hindus and Muslims from India and Pakistan. It dicusses a lot of India-Pakistan and Islam related issues. I often read Chowk.</p> The second most popular soccer club in Kolkata is called “The Mohammedans”, though most of their players and fans are Hindu. No one seems to care.

The soccer team, “The Mohammedans” are very popular and deeply entrenched amongst their fans for now ages.

Also, there is a huge portal – Chowk – mostly run by Hindus and Muslims from India and Pakistan. It dicusses a lot of India-Pakistan and Islam related issues. I often read Chowk.

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By: dipanjan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-2/#comment-104382 dipanjan Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:08:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104382 <p>Just to be precise, it is the third most popular club - after Mohun Bagan and East Bengal - and the name is Mohammedan Sporting Club, but your point holds.</p> <p>Prior to independence, however, both the players and supporters were predominantly muslims. They had a very strong team in the 30s and had a glorious run in Calcutta football league. After Bengal's partition, Dhaka's Mohammedan Sporting Club was created as a branch of Calcutta MSC and along with <i>Abahani Krira Chakra</i>, they dominate the Bangladesh football scene.</p> Just to be precise, it is the third most popular club – after Mohun Bagan and East Bengal – and the name is Mohammedan Sporting Club, but your point holds.

Prior to independence, however, both the players and supporters were predominantly muslims. They had a very strong team in the 30s and had a glorious run in Calcutta football league. After Bengal’s partition, Dhaka’s Mohammedan Sporting Club was created as a branch of Calcutta MSC and along with Abahani Krira Chakra, they dominate the Bangladesh football scene.

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By: midwestern eastender http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/30/whos_objecting/comment-page-2/#comment-104381 midwestern eastender Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:54:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3997#comment-104381 <p>Haven't seen many (any?) comments from the UK yet -- in almost every mainstream media story about Misbah, they call her "Molly Campbell," which is apparently the name her mom gave her when they went into hiding in Scotland (Campbell being her stepdad's name, if I'm not mistaken), which I think leads to a very different opinion among the masses. I'm <em>assuming</em> she spent most of her life as Misbah, until the divorce or after. So constantly calling her Molly probably makes the average person think she's this innocent British kid brainwashed into moving to Pakistan. I hadn't read any stories that referred to how the judges made up their mind, so thanks for that. The impression I get here is that it's merely an ugly custody fight -- headstrong 12-yo misses her dad and siblings and runs away to be with them. (hell, my bf ran away when he was 18 from his Bangladeshi parents and no one gave a fark) If she'd gone to London, obviously there wouldn't be half the fuss. But she DID make a lot of statements to the press dissing her mom, saying that she didn't live a Muslim life and all that, so I'm fascinated by the judges asking her what she actually did know about Islam. As I've commented before here, I know a few Brit-born Pakistanis who whine on and on about how life is so much better in Pakistan, but I ain't ever seen any of them make moves to settle themselves or their kids there. So I'd be curious to know what Misbah thinks when she's older, if she stays there. If they send her back to the UK, she'll just become some kind of Muslim martyr.</p> Haven’t seen many (any?) comments from the UK yet — in almost every mainstream media story about Misbah, they call her “Molly Campbell,” which is apparently the name her mom gave her when they went into hiding in Scotland (Campbell being her stepdad’s name, if I’m not mistaken), which I think leads to a very different opinion among the masses. I’m assuming she spent most of her life as Misbah, until the divorce or after. So constantly calling her Molly probably makes the average person think she’s this innocent British kid brainwashed into moving to Pakistan. I hadn’t read any stories that referred to how the judges made up their mind, so thanks for that. The impression I get here is that it’s merely an ugly custody fight — headstrong 12-yo misses her dad and siblings and runs away to be with them. (hell, my bf ran away when he was 18 from his Bangladeshi parents and no one gave a fark) If she’d gone to London, obviously there wouldn’t be half the fuss. But she DID make a lot of statements to the press dissing her mom, saying that she didn’t live a Muslim life and all that, so I’m fascinated by the judges asking her what she actually did know about Islam. As I’ve commented before here, I know a few Brit-born Pakistanis who whine on and on about how life is so much better in Pakistan, but I ain’t ever seen any of them make moves to settle themselves or their kids there. So I’d be curious to know what Misbah thinks when she’s older, if she stays there. If they send her back to the UK, she’ll just become some kind of Muslim martyr.

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