Comments on: Kazakhstan: Not Nice? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-104057 Rahul Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:26:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-104057 <p>Kazakhstan greatest country in the world all other countries are run by little girls Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium other countries have inferior potassium!!!!</p> Kazakhstan greatest country in the world all other countries are run by little girls Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium other countries have inferior potassium!!!!

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-103777 HMF Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:10:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103777 <blockquote>I know that born Hindus, including several in my family, consider ISKCON a cult, but I write that off to the innate prejudice all Indians seem to have against mlechhas,</blockquote> <p>Not so fast, it's not that simple. ISKCON gets cult status not merely because they're runned primarily by whitefolks, BUT, they have a history of abuse, insularism, and downright arrogance towards those that do not adhere to their way. There are many other Hindu organizations that do not get labelled cults and they have their fare share of the pale-faces: Self Realization Fellowship, Sivananda Ashrams, Vedanta Society (in the US), Raja Rajeshwari Peetham, and many others.</p> <p>I know it's easy to lambast our predecessors as anti-white, closed minded <strike>kramers</strike> racists that want to continue burning babies - but let's not do that.</p> I know that born Hindus, including several in my family, consider ISKCON a cult, but I write that off to the innate prejudice all Indians seem to have against mlechhas,

Not so fast, it’s not that simple. ISKCON gets cult status not merely because they’re runned primarily by whitefolks, BUT, they have a history of abuse, insularism, and downright arrogance towards those that do not adhere to their way. There are many other Hindu organizations that do not get labelled cults and they have their fare share of the pale-faces: Self Realization Fellowship, Sivananda Ashrams, Vedanta Society (in the US), Raja Rajeshwari Peetham, and many others.

I know it’s easy to lambast our predecessors as anti-white, closed minded kramers racists that want to continue burning babies – but let’s not do that.

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By: Former Krishna Kid http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-103711 Former Krishna Kid Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:57:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103711 <p>If anyone is interested in the ongoing plight of the Hare Krishna devotees in Kazakhstan, a new website has been set up with updates, etc.</p> <p>http://www.kazakhkrishna.com./en-main/</p> If anyone is interested in the ongoing plight of the Hare Krishna devotees in Kazakhstan, a new website has been set up with updates, etc.

http://www.kazakhkrishna.com./en-main/

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-103487 A N N A Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:59:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103487 <p>Jay, I'm so glad you commented-- what fascinating information! I mentioned to someone at the last meetup that no matter what or whom we blog about, no matter how random, ONE of our readers is bound to know about it, been there, done that...or they're the cousin of our "topic", etc. Love it. :D</p> Jay, I’m so glad you commented– what fascinating information! I mentioned to someone at the last meetup that no matter what or whom we blog about, no matter how random, ONE of our readers is bound to know about it, been there, done that…or they’re the cousin of our “topic”, etc. Love it. :D

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By: jay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-103427 jay Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:37:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103427 <p>ANNA, et al: I frequent all the posts, comments, etc., and seldom contribute. As late as I probably am to this particular post, I'd like to harp a bit on my thoughts on Kazakhstan. I spent a couple of weeks there last year to monitor the Presidential elections. I'm no expert, and would have had to look for it on a map for a couple of seconds before I went. Before I get any, "you went there for two weeks, and you think you know the country inside out?!" comments, a pre-emptive blahhh...I'm just pointing out what I saw.</p> <p>So, my two cents:</p> <p>TRUE: Human rights abuses: frequent; based on my observation, the bulk of the abuses seem to be centered around speech, politics, etc.</p> <p>FALSE (or not so TRUE): Constant religious strife. Ummm, not where I was. I spent some time in Almaty and then flew up north to Petropavlsk (sp?) in Siberia. It was stunning to see Mosques next to Orthodox Churches and Synagogues. During our time there, I mildly (looking back, maybe a bit annoyingly) inquired with my translator and interpreter about any possible tensions between the faiths. They rolled their eyes and laughed. Both of them were Muslim and attended a wedding at the Church the weekend prior. He then said something around, "...what is it with all of your news stations, hysteria, etc...?"</p> <p>TRUE: Based on GRAPENUT's comment, the people of Kazakhstan are by no means a homogenous looking group - the ethnic diversity (based on traditional classifications of Asian, European, etc.) is astounding. Remember, it borders China, Russia and several 'Stans.</p> <p>Finally, FALSE: Backwords., etc. Borat's great, and I've been a fan of Sasha for about 4 years now, but I'm pretty sure even he realizes that his caricatures of the Kazakhs are so over the top, he created a new mold. I have to admit, I laughed when I saw it but wasn't pleased about the use of poor, Romanian villagers in the film. Because I don't want to be disappointed, I'm going to chalk it up to a production company decision, not Cohen's. That being said, the Kazakhs were some of the friendliest, most outgoing, inquisitive, engaged and caring people I have ever met. I'll leave at that.</p> ANNA, et al: I frequent all the posts, comments, etc., and seldom contribute. As late as I probably am to this particular post, I’d like to harp a bit on my thoughts on Kazakhstan. I spent a couple of weeks there last year to monitor the Presidential elections. I’m no expert, and would have had to look for it on a map for a couple of seconds before I went. Before I get any, “you went there for two weeks, and you think you know the country inside out?!” comments, a pre-emptive blahhh…I’m just pointing out what I saw.

So, my two cents:

TRUE: Human rights abuses: frequent; based on my observation, the bulk of the abuses seem to be centered around speech, politics, etc.

FALSE (or not so TRUE): Constant religious strife. Ummm, not where I was. I spent some time in Almaty and then flew up north to Petropavlsk (sp?) in Siberia. It was stunning to see Mosques next to Orthodox Churches and Synagogues. During our time there, I mildly (looking back, maybe a bit annoyingly) inquired with my translator and interpreter about any possible tensions between the faiths. They rolled their eyes and laughed. Both of them were Muslim and attended a wedding at the Church the weekend prior. He then said something around, “…what is it with all of your news stations, hysteria, etc…?”

TRUE: Based on GRAPENUT’s comment, the people of Kazakhstan are by no means a homogenous looking group – the ethnic diversity (based on traditional classifications of Asian, European, etc.) is astounding. Remember, it borders China, Russia and several ‘Stans.

Finally, FALSE: Backwords., etc. Borat’s great, and I’ve been a fan of Sasha for about 4 years now, but I’m pretty sure even he realizes that his caricatures of the Kazakhs are so over the top, he created a new mold. I have to admit, I laughed when I saw it but wasn’t pleased about the use of poor, Romanian villagers in the film. Because I don’t want to be disappointed, I’m going to chalk it up to a production company decision, not Cohen’s. That being said, the Kazakhs were some of the friendliest, most outgoing, inquisitive, engaged and caring people I have ever met. I’ll leave at that.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-2/#comment-103394 Abhi Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:46:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103394 <p>Borat's latest <a href="http://entertainment.myway.com/celebgossip/pgsix/id/11_28_2006_1.html">victims</a>.</p> Borat’s latest victims.

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By: Chris P http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-1/#comment-103198 Chris P Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:22:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103198 <p>Mr. Tash...or is it Trash!</p> <p>Here is a link...to clear things up (you might want watch it...uh...about a 100 times...since you seem to forget how shitty things are!) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740&q=India&hl=en</p> <p>BTW, my whole point is that we are human...in making mistakes. The idea is to accept the faults and fix them. Instead of say, telling people how great things were 2000 years ago...and day dreming....oh look I screwed up again...dreaming.</p> <p>Love Chris</p> Mr. Tash…or is it Trash!

Here is a link…to clear things up (you might want watch it…uh…about a 100 times…since you seem to forget how shitty things are!) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740&q=India&hl=en

BTW, my whole point is that we are human…in making mistakes. The idea is to accept the faults and fix them. Instead of say, telling people how great things were 2000 years ago…and day dreming….oh look I screwed up again…dreaming.

Love Chris

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By: desishiksa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-1/#comment-103160 desishiksa Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:20:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103160 <blockquote>An acid test, as I have said before here, is the following: replace the real-life Cohen with a real-life moslem, and racist southerners with Zionists, and quips about "throwing jews in the well" with "bombing Lebanese villages". Is this still funny? </blockquote> <p>Potentially, yes. Why not?<br /> The Borat movie wasn't as funny as the show, where he succeeded in showcasing the stupidity and racism of a lot of people; in the movie, you sometimes feel sympathetic for people in it. However, the movie is still funny.</p> <p>I hope I would be upset about<i> anyone's</i> house being destroyed because of their religious beliefs, regardless of whether the were "real" Hindus, ISCKON Hindus, or Moonies.</p> An acid test, as I have said before here, is the following: replace the real-life Cohen with a real-life moslem, and racist southerners with Zionists, and quips about “throwing jews in the well” with “bombing Lebanese villages”. Is this still funny?

Potentially, yes. Why not?
The Borat movie wasn’t as funny as the show, where he succeeded in showcasing the stupidity and racism of a lot of people; in the movie, you sometimes feel sympathetic for people in it. However, the movie is still funny.

I hope I would be upset about anyone’s house being destroyed because of their religious beliefs, regardless of whether the were “real” Hindus, ISCKON Hindus, or Moonies.

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By: sic semper tyrannis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-1/#comment-103151 sic semper tyrannis Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:18:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103151 <p>SM Intern,</p> <p>You quoted "the remanants of ancient Indian civilization will slowly be swollowed by the global cult" in your response, which was taken from Post#10 I wasn't aware that Prasad made any other posts. Based on post#10, I don't find anything he said offensive, other than misspellings.</p> SM Intern,

You quoted “the remanants of ancient Indian civilization will slowly be swollowed by the global cult” in your response, which was taken from Post#10 I wasn’t aware that Prasad made any other posts. Based on post#10, I don’t find anything he said offensive, other than misspellings.

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By: sundari http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/25/kazakhstan_not/comment-page-1/#comment-103146 sundari Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:45:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3985#comment-103146 <p>ANYHOO</p> <p>Bleh. I fail to see what's so funny about Borat. Not because of the "offensive" nature of the material, but because Sasha does a particularly horrific job of capturing the Kazakhi accent and mannerisms. Its hard to laugh when the essence of the character is inaccurate.</p> ANYHOO

Bleh. I fail to see what’s so funny about Borat. Not because of the “offensive” nature of the material, but because Sasha does a particularly horrific job of capturing the Kazakhi accent and mannerisms. Its hard to laugh when the essence of the character is inaccurate.

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