Comments on: Mahmood the Atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rational http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-110962 Rational Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:20:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-110962 <p>I think you folks will appreciate the videos on discussion science vs faith by some fine scientists here:</p> <p>http://beyondbelief2006.org/Watch/</p> I think you folks will appreciate the videos on discussion science vs faith by some fine scientists here:

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]]> By: Vinay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103083 Vinay Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:46:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103083 <blockquote><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003980.html#comment103029">#123</a>:Its pointless arguing with the likes of you and risible. I quit.</blockquote> <p>Indeed it is pointless to argue when you hardly have a point to make.</p> #123:Its pointless arguing with the likes of you and risible. I quit.

Indeed it is pointless to argue when you hardly have a point to make.

]]> By: mastervk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103059 mastervk Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:34:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103059 <p>can someone tell me name of any muslim leader in non-BJP party who is not useful idiot?</p> <p>There is Ghulam Nabi Azad (chief minister of J & k) of congress party who think that Afzal should be given clemency because if Afzal will get death sentence it will be bad for muslims. May be mulims will riot . So how is it useful for muslim if Afzal did not get hanged and will go to pakistan and start killing indians (not only Hindus) again . related <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/sep/29parl.htm">link</a></p> <p>Most of the commenters here will write about communal RSS without even knowing anything about RSS ,its ideology and social work it does in India. Try reading about their <a href="http://www.sevabharathi.org/health_e.htm">work </a>and what they have done in past .</p> <p><a href="http://sangh.wordpress.com/2006/09/22/video-on-70000-service-projects-run-by-rashtriya-swayamsevak-sangh-rss/">more link</a></p> <p>Even wikipedia gives some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh">information about RSS </a>(though somewhat biased) . They dont want to kill all mulims and chritians .</p> <p><</p> <p>blockquote> According to RSS a Hindu can be anyone living in Indian subcontinent. This includes Muslims and Christians. ... The RSS does not possess prejudice against other religions. But it and its fellow Sangh organizations believe in the preservation of the Hindu religion and culture... Historically, the RSS has had several Dalit and Middle-Caste members in their fold, several of whom are in key positions along their rank-and-file[11]</p> <p><</p> <p>blockquote></p> <p><a href="http://www.rss.org/"> This </a> is a good site to know about RSS.</p> <p><a href="http://voi.org/">This</a> is a good site for hinduvata related material.</p> can someone tell me name of any muslim leader in non-BJP party who is not useful idiot?

There is Ghulam Nabi Azad (chief minister of J & k) of congress party who think that Afzal should be given clemency because if Afzal will get death sentence it will be bad for muslims. May be mulims will riot . So how is it useful for muslim if Afzal did not get hanged and will go to pakistan and start killing indians (not only Hindus) again . related link

Most of the commenters here will write about communal RSS without even knowing anything about RSS ,its ideology and social work it does in India. Try reading about their work and what they have done in past .

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Even wikipedia gives some information about RSS (though somewhat biased) . They dont want to kill all mulims and chritians .

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blockquote> According to RSS a Hindu can be anyone living in Indian subcontinent. This includes Muslims and Christians. … The RSS does not possess prejudice against other religions. But it and its fellow Sangh organizations believe in the preservation of the Hindu religion and culture… Historically, the RSS has had several Dalit and Middle-Caste members in their fold, several of whom are in key positions along their rank-and-file[11]

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This is a good site to know about RSS.

This is a good site for hinduvata related material.

]]> By: Pavan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103037 Pavan Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:39:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103037 <p>al_mujahid_for_debauchery: I understand what you meant by the term useful idiot. What I was trying to convey is the fact that Shahnawaz Hussain's status as a member of the BJP does not qualify him as a "useful idiot" against muslim interests in india without actually knowing specifically what the man stands for. If we take a step back and use the US as a parallel example one could just as easily label condoleeza rice or colin powell useful idiots because in the minds of many people the republican party ultimately does not work for the interests of African Americans or minorities in general. My point is that labelling such people as useful idiots smacks of identity politics, the very same type of politics that the BJP is accused and bashed for repeatedly. Hussain's responsibility is not to work for the interests of muslims india, it is to work for the interests of the constituents in the district that elected him whatever religion or ideology they may choose to follow. The idea that he is working against muslims simply by being in the BJP is as preposterous as statements by the VHP and other saffron outfits that muslims are inherently anti national. In my opinion parties such as the BJP and others that cater to the so called majority are often bashed for practicing identity politics while political parties practicing the same identity politics but only amongst the minority are often given a free pass. Just my two cents</p> al_mujahid_for_debauchery: I understand what you meant by the term useful idiot. What I was trying to convey is the fact that Shahnawaz Hussain’s status as a member of the BJP does not qualify him as a “useful idiot” against muslim interests in india without actually knowing specifically what the man stands for. If we take a step back and use the US as a parallel example one could just as easily label condoleeza rice or colin powell useful idiots because in the minds of many people the republican party ultimately does not work for the interests of African Americans or minorities in general. My point is that labelling such people as useful idiots smacks of identity politics, the very same type of politics that the BJP is accused and bashed for repeatedly. Hussain’s responsibility is not to work for the interests of muslims india, it is to work for the interests of the constituents in the district that elected him whatever religion or ideology they may choose to follow. The idea that he is working against muslims simply by being in the BJP is as preposterous as statements by the VHP and other saffron outfits that muslims are inherently anti national. In my opinion parties such as the BJP and others that cater to the so called majority are often bashed for practicing identity politics while political parties practicing the same identity politics but only amongst the minority are often given a free pass. Just my two cents

]]> By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103034 Ponniyin Selvan Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:43:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103034 <p>Yeah sure.. Treating Bhagat Singh as a hero and Bose as inconsequential belongs to the domain of a "progressive intellectual".. I admit.</p> Yeah sure.. Treating Bhagat Singh as a hero and Bose as inconsequential belongs to the domain of a “progressive intellectual”.. I admit.

]]> By: Panini Pothoharvi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103029 Panini Pothoharvi Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:07:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103029 <p>I wish Ponniyin you could for a change take the debate beyond the childish mimicry. Its pointless arguing with the likes of you and risible. I quit.</p> I wish Ponniyin you could for a change take the debate beyond the childish mimicry. Its pointless arguing with the likes of you and risible. I quit.

]]> By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103023 Ponniyin Selvan Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:46:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103023 <p>Correction:</p> <p>This, in fact, is the bane of so called "secular progressive" thought..</p> Correction:

This, in fact, is the bane of so called “secular progressive” thought..

]]> By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103022 Ponniyin Selvan Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:45:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103022 <blockquote>Opposition to the RSS-BJP-Shiv-Sena combine does not automatically imply a support for the Congress and the other fundamentalist organizations. This, in fact, is the bane of the communal thought. </blockquote> <p>Yeah, yeah right, Bhagat singh renounced violence after committing the violent act.. and Bose din't do it. So Bhagat is a hero and Bose a "regressive".. nice logic there..Opposition to the "cries of permanent Muslim victim syndrome" / "personal laws" doesn't automatically imply a support for "Hindutva". This, in fact, is the base of so called "secular progressive" thought.. :-)</p> Opposition to the RSS-BJP-Shiv-Sena combine does not automatically imply a support for the Congress and the other fundamentalist organizations. This, in fact, is the bane of the communal thought.

Yeah, yeah right, Bhagat singh renounced violence after committing the violent act.. and Bose din’t do it. So Bhagat is a hero and Bose a “regressive”.. nice logic there..Opposition to the “cries of permanent Muslim victim syndrome” / “personal laws” doesn’t automatically imply a support for “Hindutva”. This, in fact, is the base of so called “secular progressive” thought.. :-)

]]> By: Panini Pothoharvi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-103016 Panini Pothoharvi Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:42:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-103016 <blockquote>Bose won the leadership position of the Indian National Congress in a perfectly legitimate democratic means and resigned just because Gandhi was against it.. </blockquote> <p>Ponniyin, that if you see clear enough begs the question. And yes, Bhagat Singh, as spelt out in his diaries, renounced the use of violence. Bose, on the other hand, espoused the ridiculous at a ripe age of 46 and disappeared into anonymity overshadowed by the collective might of the Nazis and the Fascists whose support he so "simplistically" sought.</p> <p>Opposition to the RSS-BJP-Shiv-Sena combine does not automatically imply a support for the Congress and the other fundamentalist organizations. This, in fact, is the bane of the communal thought. They think in binaries. They moblize binaries as a strategic tool. That is precisely they lapse into desperate mimicry (one can almost predict their irrepressible desire to invoke a "non-desperate mimicry" to ridicule secular positions).</p> Bose won the leadership position of the Indian National Congress in a perfectly legitimate democratic means and resigned just because Gandhi was against it..

Ponniyin, that if you see clear enough begs the question. And yes, Bhagat Singh, as spelt out in his diaries, renounced the use of violence. Bose, on the other hand, espoused the ridiculous at a ripe age of 46 and disappeared into anonymity overshadowed by the collective might of the Nazis and the Fascists whose support he so “simplistically” sought.

Opposition to the RSS-BJP-Shiv-Sena combine does not automatically imply a support for the Congress and the other fundamentalist organizations. This, in fact, is the bane of the communal thought. They think in binaries. They moblize binaries as a strategic tool. That is precisely they lapse into desperate mimicry (one can almost predict their irrepressible desire to invoke a “non-desperate mimicry” to ridicule secular positions).

]]> By: commenter http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/11/22/mahmood_the_ath/comment-page-3/#comment-102977 commenter Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:28:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3980#comment-102977 <p>why is it unbelievable that there are muslims in bjp. there are lots of blacks, hispanics and macacas who are supporters of republican party.</p> <p>the congress party which killed thousands of sikhs is back in power in punjab. are these sikhs of punjab who elected congress party useful idiots?</p> why is it unbelievable that there are muslims in bjp. there are lots of blacks, hispanics and macacas who are supporters of republican party.

the congress party which killed thousands of sikhs is back in power in punjab. are these sikhs of punjab who elected congress party useful idiots?

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