Comments on: Right to Information http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: frozonemotions http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-130934 frozonemotions Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:06:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-130934 <p>I would like to know how to crub the misuse of RTI Act. There are many people who misuse this act for their selfish motives. I am a PIO at one University and the problem is that the Registrar of the University misuses this act by filing RTI for vague reasons and not for welfare of general public. this is undermining the scantity of this right. We have replied almost all the applications filed by him giving true information, but again he writes to me giving some information which he claims to be correct and not the information which i gave. so when he has all the information and when he is the registrar of a university for many years can he ask for information under this act? What can be done with this regard? Can anyone guide me with this regard?</p> I would like to know how to crub the misuse of RTI Act. There are many people who misuse this act for their selfish motives. I am a PIO at one University and the problem is that the Registrar of the University misuses this act by filing RTI for vague reasons and not for welfare of general public. this is undermining the scantity of this right. We have replied almost all the applications filed by him giving true information, but again he writes to me giving some information which he claims to be correct and not the information which i gave. so when he has all the information and when he is the registrar of a university for many years can he ask for information under this act? What can be done with this regard? Can anyone guide me with this regard?

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97624 voiceinthehead Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:53:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97624 <p>The fees are quite modest. That might be waived at some time in future for the very poor. A bigger problem is cost of supplying the information ( paper and photocopying) since most of the information is in paper format. This act might accelerate computerization of govt records. Babudom hasn't got into the habit of pro actively releasing information, which will preclude the need for filing applications.</p> <blockquote>Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a donation website that could give/loan out the application fee for the RTI form?</blockquote> <p>Many people have quit full time jobs to become RTI activists. Kejriwal and groups who planned his current visit are proposing a fund for supporting these people and other activities. Keep watching this space.</p> The fees are quite modest. That might be waived at some time in future for the very poor. A bigger problem is cost of supplying the information ( paper and photocopying) since most of the information is in paper format. This act might accelerate computerization of govt records. Babudom hasn’t got into the habit of pro actively releasing information, which will preclude the need for filing applications.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a donation website that could give/loan out the application fee for the RTI form?

Many people have quit full time jobs to become RTI activists. Kejriwal and groups who planned his current visit are proposing a fund for supporting these people and other activities. Keep watching this space.

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97603 bytewords Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:33:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97603 <blockquote>For Central departments as of 2006, there is a fee of Rs. 10 for filing the request, Rs. 2 per page of information and Rs. 5 for each hour of inspection after the first hour. States fix their own rules.[22] (wikipedia) I could see this as being used as a loophole to keep certain information from those who are poor. </blockquote> <p>I wouldn't be so negative. The fees are perfectly affordable by everyone, even the poor. Besides there has to be some fee. If not, the depts will be inundated with requests from people like me who are just curious to see if i will get a response, or from others who simply have nothing to do.</p> For Central departments as of 2006, there is a fee of Rs. 10 for filing the request, Rs. 2 per page of information and Rs. 5 for each hour of inspection after the first hour. States fix their own rules.[22] (wikipedia) I could see this as being used as a loophole to keep certain information from those who are poor.

I wouldn’t be so negative. The fees are perfectly affordable by everyone, even the poor. Besides there has to be some fee. If not, the depts will be inundated with requests from people like me who are just curious to see if i will get a response, or from others who simply have nothing to do.

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By: thatbrownclown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97602 thatbrownclown Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:17:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97602 <p>For Central departments as of 2006, there is a fee of Rs. 10 for filing the request, Rs. 2 per page of information and Rs. 5 for each hour of inspection after the first hour. States fix their own rules.[22] (wikipedia)</p> <p>I could see this as being used as a loophole to keep certain information from those who are poor. I for one believe that India, as a beureaucracy, has a huge volume of documented governmental processes that are not being carried out, and it is up to concerned citizens to fix atleast parts of the nation's infrastructure. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a donation website that could give/loan out the application fee for the RTI form?</p> For Central departments as of 2006, there is a fee of Rs. 10 for filing the request, Rs. 2 per page of information and Rs. 5 for each hour of inspection after the first hour. States fix their own rules.[22] (wikipedia)

I could see this as being used as a loophole to keep certain information from those who are poor. I for one believe that India, as a beureaucracy, has a huge volume of documented governmental processes that are not being carried out, and it is up to concerned citizens to fix atleast parts of the nation’s infrastructure. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a donation website that could give/loan out the application fee for the RTI form?

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By: Sashi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97546 Sashi Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:41:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97546 <p>Aravind rocks even more because we went to the same undergrad school. Yay! ;)</p> Aravind rocks even more because we went to the same undergrad school. Yay! ;)

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97452 voiceinthehead Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:41:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97452 <p>The current Central Information Commission filled with ex-bureaucrats has been reluctant to impose penalties on offenders. Evaluation of <a href="http://www.prajanet.org/partners/nrti/files/PublicHearing_240906_report.pdf">CICs functioning</a> after first year. You can join the protest activities, <a href="http://rti.aidindia.org/email_petitions/">here.</a></p> <blockquote>If you are a part of an NRI or an Indian professional, entrepreneurial, regional, social, cultural or alumni group, association or network, then ask them to sign the <a href="http://rti.aidindia.org/content/blogcategory/22/50/">formal letter of endorsement attached below</a>, opposing the proposed Amendments to the Right to Information Act.</blockquote> <p>It would be nice to see some NRI investor groups and bureaucratic associations come out strongly for strengthening this law.</p> The current Central Information Commission filled with ex-bureaucrats has been reluctant to impose penalties on offenders. Evaluation of CICs functioning after first year. You can join the protest activities, here.

If you are a part of an NRI or an Indian professional, entrepreneurial, regional, social, cultural or alumni group, association or network, then ask them to sign the formal letter of endorsement attached below, opposing the proposed Amendments to the Right to Information Act.

It would be nice to see some NRI investor groups and bureaucratic associations come out strongly for strengthening this law.

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By: Seeker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97435 Seeker Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:21:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97435 <p>Beware! Babudom is re-assembling its approach to RTI - check out this: http://www.ndtv.com/rti/fullstory.asp?story_id=441&city_id=4</p> <p>"Sought information regarding land transfer & nomination procedure.</p> <p>Submitted by syed zaidi</p> <p>I purchased a farm house in Bhopal.After the registry of the farm house when I approached the R.I.of the Revenue deptt.for name transfer and "Bahi"the Rin-Pustika"the R.I.incharge of that area asked 5000/-Rs.openly for the work to be done.When I asked him the legal procedure for the same he said he has no information. I made a letter along with all the formalities for the RTI addressed to the Asstt.Information Officer,O/o the Collector,Bhopal asking:"What is the procedure of nomination/name transfer after the residential plot or farm house is purchased ?Is there any form,fee ?What is the minimum and maximum time fixed for the process ?"Letter dated 17/01/2006. When I approached the RTI officer,i.e;the Joint collector,Bhopal city,he refused taking my letter and said that the information is available in the market go and buy it.I asked him to give me in writing-he misbehaved-because he is a joint collector and superboss ! I then tried to contact the Collector,the appelant authority but I was not allowed to meet him.With all the story in writing I then approached to the State Commission complaining that my letter was not accepted by the RTI officer.The under secty of the commission wrote me to appear before the commission on 2 June 2006 at 11 A.M. After hearing me the CIC disposed my complaint stating that the Joint collector was right not accepting the letter as my plea does not come under the RTI act.This way the CIC favoured and protected the Asstt Inf Officer. NOW WHAT SHOULD I DO ?????????"</p> Beware! Babudom is re-assembling its approach to RTI – check out this: http://www.ndtv.com/rti/fullstory.asp?story_id=441&city_id=4

“Sought information regarding land transfer & nomination procedure.

Submitted by syed zaidi

I purchased a farm house in Bhopal.After the registry of the farm house when I approached the R.I.of the Revenue deptt.for name transfer and “Bahi”the Rin-Pustika”the R.I.incharge of that area asked 5000/-Rs.openly for the work to be done.When I asked him the legal procedure for the same he said he has no information. I made a letter along with all the formalities for the RTI addressed to the Asstt.Information Officer,O/o the Collector,Bhopal asking:”What is the procedure of nomination/name transfer after the residential plot or farm house is purchased ?Is there any form,fee ?What is the minimum and maximum time fixed for the process ?”Letter dated 17/01/2006. When I approached the RTI officer,i.e;the Joint collector,Bhopal city,he refused taking my letter and said that the information is available in the market go and buy it.I asked him to give me in writing-he misbehaved-because he is a joint collector and superboss ! I then tried to contact the Collector,the appelant authority but I was not allowed to meet him.With all the story in writing I then approached to the State Commission complaining that my letter was not accepted by the RTI officer.The under secty of the commission wrote me to appear before the commission on 2 June 2006 at 11 A.M. After hearing me the CIC disposed my complaint stating that the Joint collector was right not accepting the letter as my plea does not come under the RTI act.This way the CIC favoured and protected the Asstt Inf Officer. NOW WHAT SHOULD I DO ?????????”

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By: Kritic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97432 Kritic Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:50:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97432 <p>Taz - Did you meet Kejriwal in the U.S.? If yes, any idea whether he is still stateside and how does one get in touch.</p> <p>Many thanks in advance.</p> Taz – Did you meet Kejriwal in the U.S.? If yes, any idea whether he is still stateside and how does one get in touch.

Many thanks in advance.

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By: doors http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97410 doors Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:14:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97410 <p>Great post, Taz.</p> <p>His US tour started on Oct 8th. If only I had known earlier :-(</p> <p>Complete schedule details: http://www.iitfoundation.org/?p=101</p> Great post, Taz.

His US tour started on Oct 8th. If only I had known earlier :-(

Complete schedule details: http://www.iitfoundation.org/?p=101

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By: P.G. Wodehouse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/30/right_to_inform/comment-page-1/#comment-97383 P.G. Wodehouse Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:44:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3913#comment-97383 <p>Taz:</p> <blockquote>do you think that if they created a system of lobbyist in India similar to that in the US, that it would reduce the amount of "small time" bribery?</blockquote> <p>I think the answer is yes.</p> <p>Politicians protect government officials from investigation because government officials share their money with them. That sort of protection makes government officials shameless.</p> <p>Suppose that a system of lobbyists were to exist. Politicians would no longer have to make their money from government officials. They would no longer have to protect government officials from investigation.</p> <p>On the flip side, politicians would protect the lobbyists from investigation.</p> Taz:

do you think that if they created a system of lobbyist in India similar to that in the US, that it would reduce the amount of “small time” bribery?

I think the answer is yes.

Politicians protect government officials from investigation because government officials share their money with them. That sort of protection makes government officials shameless.

Suppose that a system of lobbyists were to exist. Politicians would no longer have to make their money from government officials. They would no longer have to protect government officials from investigation.

On the flip side, politicians would protect the lobbyists from investigation.

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