Comments on: Amjad Ali Khan & Co. (featuring a desi discount) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tarique Sani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-98580 Tarique Sani Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:00:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-98580 <p>Thanks for using the picture from my site - would have been great if you had acknowledged the source as http://tariquesani.net/</p> Thanks for using the picture from my site – would have been great if you had acknowledged the source as http://tariquesani.net/

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By: chick pea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-97316 chick pea Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:22:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-97316 <p>here is the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/arts/music/30khan.html?_r=1&oref=slogin">review</a>, you apple lovers</p> here is the review, you apple lovers

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By: chick pea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-97188 chick pea Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:40:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-97188 <p>siddhartha: would like a recap of the evening..if you can add music clips, you will receive an extra bonus bowl of hummus..from what my meager beanie powers possess.. i hear that pied piper, mr. kobayashi and a few others were in attendance.. ;)...sounds like a great time.. as you were enjoying a musical escapade, i was fighing against those evil doers (aka those who try to pull polamalu's divine sampson like fro ;))... good times around..</p> siddhartha: would like a recap of the evening..if you can add music clips, you will receive an extra bonus bowl of hummus..from what my meager beanie powers possess.. i hear that pied piper, mr. kobayashi and a few others were in attendance.. ;) …sounds like a great time.. as you were enjoying a musical escapade, i was fighing against those evil doers (aka those who try to pull polamalu’s divine sampson like fro ;) )… good times around..

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96886 Shruti Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:20:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96886 <blockquote>IÂ’m always a "good Indian girl" around the fam ;) and thatÂ’s how I get treated – you get my drift. ItÂ’s just the role I play</blockquote> <p>Dammit. That didn't come out right. By "role" I meant desi-style servitude, not that I'm a "bad Indian girl" playing the role of a "good Indian girl" or whatever. I'm not cool enough to be a "bad Indian girl" :)</p> IÂ’m always a “good Indian girl” around the fam ;) and thatÂ’s how I get treated – you get my drift. ItÂ’s just the role I play

Dammit. That didn’t come out right. By “role” I meant desi-style servitude, not that I’m a “bad Indian girl” playing the role of a “good Indian girl” or whatever. I’m not cool enough to be a “bad Indian girl” :)

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96884 Shruti Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:28:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96884 <p>a;slkdfj The internets ate my original comment!</p> <p>Annnnyway...</p> <p>Siddhartha and Yo Dad: I can definitely believe what you two are saying. I should have mentioned that my experience with Indian classical artists has usually involved me being, for all practical purposes, in a "go-for" position. It makes life a little easier for my grandfather, who runs a kathak foundation. I think it has a lot to do with the combination of my young age, gender and traditional desiness. I’m always a "good Indian girl" around the fam ;) and that’s how I get treated – you get my drift. It’s just the role I play, and I’m usually around them when they’re in the middle of sorting out some nitty gritty logistical stuff, not when they’re in form for a public appearance. No one, including myself, thinks it’s a big deal when they say "Go get this..." Go do that..." "Bring me this..." "Where is the chai-paani?" without even looking at me. (btw, my mom and grandmother and other women in my family were formally educated in classical dance/music/singing, and from their stories, I know there is a LOT to be said about the gender dynamics in those genres at every level of the industry – it’s really interesting.)</p> <p>Although gender, age and desiness have a lot to do with it, I think the bottom line is how important you make yourself to them (I guess you could say the same for anything). I know it would be different if I were a dignified uncle like Yo Dad or an informed writer for the Boston Globe (male or female, I suppose wouldn’t matter). But sometimes, when I least expect it, they look up and they finally "see" me. All of the sudden, they’re the most gracious people ever, making me feel like I’m some kind of princess, and I like to think that’s the "real" person in them. The first time my grandfather introduced me as a actual <i>person</i>, the musician received me so very warmly – looked right at me, clasped his hands over mine, called me "Beti" – and even asked me to play a number with him without even knowing or caring how (not) well I could play! Granted it was only a house party, but still the gesture almost made me cry.</p> <p>As for this:</p> <blockquote>On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was "under the influence" or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him.</blockquote> <p>YES. Yes. This is true for many other singers and even some musicians and dancers. Every time they’re over, they CLEAR OUT my grandfather’s (rather extensive) liquor collection and sing and play and dance all night. It gets crazy! That stuff lubricates genius (and breaks down the gender barrier in some cases).</p> <p>And this:</p> <blockquote>Ah, the multiple paths to bhakti...</blockquote> <p>Clever, clever, Siddhartha... ;)</p> a;slkdfj The internets ate my original comment!

Annnnyway…

Siddhartha and Yo Dad: I can definitely believe what you two are saying. I should have mentioned that my experience with Indian classical artists has usually involved me being, for all practical purposes, in a “go-for” position. It makes life a little easier for my grandfather, who runs a kathak foundation. I think it has a lot to do with the combination of my young age, gender and traditional desiness. IÂ’m always a “good Indian girl” around the fam ;) and thatÂ’s how I get treated – you get my drift. ItÂ’s just the role I play, and IÂ’m usually around them when theyÂ’re in the middle of sorting out some nitty gritty logistical stuff, not when theyÂ’re in form for a public appearance. No one, including myself, thinks itÂ’s a big deal when they say “Go get this…” Go do that…” “Bring me this…” “Where is the chai-paani?” without even looking at me. (btw, my mom and grandmother and other women in my family were formally educated in classical dance/music/singing, and from their stories, I know there is a LOT to be said about the gender dynamics in those genres at every level of the industry – itÂ’s really interesting.)

Although gender, age and desiness have a lot to do with it, I think the bottom line is how important you make yourself to them (I guess you could say the same for anything). I know it would be different if I were a dignified uncle like Yo Dad or an informed writer for the Boston Globe (male or female, I suppose wouldnÂ’t matter). But sometimes, when I least expect it, they look up and they finally “see” me. All of the sudden, theyÂ’re the most gracious people ever, making me feel like IÂ’m some kind of princess, and I like to think thatÂ’s the “real” person in them. The first time my grandfather introduced me as a actual person, the musician received me so very warmly – looked right at me, clasped his hands over mine, called me “Beti” – and even asked me to play a number with him without even knowing or caring how (not) well I could play! Granted it was only a house party, but still the gesture almost made me cry.

As for this:

On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was “under the influence” or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him.

YES. Yes. This is true for many other singers and even some musicians and dancers. Every time theyÂ’re over, they CLEAR OUT my grandfatherÂ’s (rather extensive) liquor collection and sing and play and dance all night. It gets crazy! That stuff lubricates genius (and breaks down the gender barrier in some cases).

And this:

Ah, the multiple paths to bhakti…

Clever, clever, Siddhartha… ;)

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By: Kurma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96684 Kurma Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96684 <p>Thanks, Jane. Maybe girliness is the answer, then? I bet the excuses they suggested must have been funny. There's definitely an opportunity for humor there. That caller's question would have made me groan, though. You don't have to call in to find the obvious answer to that one.</p> <blockquote>These guys are MIT and Harvard guys</blockquote> <p>???!!</p> Thanks, Jane. Maybe girliness is the answer, then? I bet the excuses they suggested must have been funny. There’s definitely an opportunity for humor there. That caller’s question would have made me groan, though. You don’t have to call in to find the obvious answer to that one.

These guys are MIT and Harvard guys

???!!

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96671 siddhartha Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:55:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96671 <p>Yo Dad,</p> <p>I quite agree with the assessment and the caveats. I meet a lot of musicians all the time, and also do lots of telephone interviews, and those in particular can get quite tedious for an artist and tempt them to show their impatient or snappy side. (Quite understandably, when you have a whole afternoon of half-hour phone calls booked by a publicist and where 75% of the questions will be identical across interviews). Almost everyone is professional, many of those are gracious, and some of those are warm and enthusiastic.</p> <p>The Indian artists I've interviewed have been unfailingly gracious and usually more. I think part of it is that I have enough background to make it a slightly more interesting interview. More important perhaps is that I have enough background to recognize their very desi, Ustad/Pandit-ish eccentricities and go with their flow.</p> <blockquote>On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was "under the influence" or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him.</blockquote> <p>Ah, the multiple paths to <i>bhakti</i>...</p> <p>As ever, much respect to you.</p> Yo Dad,

I quite agree with the assessment and the caveats. I meet a lot of musicians all the time, and also do lots of telephone interviews, and those in particular can get quite tedious for an artist and tempt them to show their impatient or snappy side. (Quite understandably, when you have a whole afternoon of half-hour phone calls booked by a publicist and where 75% of the questions will be identical across interviews). Almost everyone is professional, many of those are gracious, and some of those are warm and enthusiastic.

The Indian artists I’ve interviewed have been unfailingly gracious and usually more. I think part of it is that I have enough background to make it a slightly more interesting interview. More important perhaps is that I have enough background to recognize their very desi, Ustad/Pandit-ish eccentricities and go with their flow.

On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was “under the influence” or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him.

Ah, the multiple paths to bhakti

As ever, much respect to you.

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By: Yo Dad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96668 Yo Dad Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:39:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96668 <p><b>Kavita</b>: I am glad to hear that your views on AAK are in sync. with mine.</p> <p><b>Shruti</b>: You may have a point there. I have met many Indian Classical (Hindustani) Music stalwart in my lifetime. To name a few Pandit Ravi Shankar, Ustad Ali Akbar Khan, (Late)Ustad Bismillah Khan, (Late) Pandit Omkarmath Thakur, Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, Pandit Jasraj, Lakshmishanker, Ustad Zakir Hussain, etc. Few of them may have appeared to be (in public) "downright unpleasant" or "snobs" to you. All "GREAT" artists are, to some degree, "Eccentric". However, deep down in their heart of hearts - especially if you meet them in private - they are very sober and modest. On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was "under the influence" or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him. The unpleasantness and snobiness eventually will melt away - if the artist is truly great! My nickel's worth of opinion.</p> Kavita: I am glad to hear that your views on AAK are in sync. with mine.

Shruti: You may have a point there. I have met many Indian Classical (Hindustani) Music stalwart in my lifetime. To name a few Pandit Ravi Shankar, Ustad Ali Akbar Khan, (Late)Ustad Bismillah Khan, (Late) Pandit Omkarmath Thakur, Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, Pandit Jasraj, Lakshmishanker, Ustad Zakir Hussain, etc. Few of them may have appeared to be (in public) “downright unpleasant” or “snobs” to you. All “GREAT” artists are, to some degree, “Eccentric”. However, deep down in their heart of hearts – especially if you meet them in private – they are very sober and modest. On a semi-classical note, it has been said that great singer of Bollywood bygone era K. L. Saigal could, or would not sing at his best unless he consumed fair amount of alchohol prior to public appearance. But once he was on stage it was hard to tell whether he was “under the influence” or the shear pleasure of singing in front of audience intoxicated him. The unpleasantness and snobiness eventually will melt away – if the artist is truly great! My nickel’s worth of opinion.

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By: Janeofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96632 Janeofalltrades Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:03:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96632 <blockquote>All the other shows, I can understand why someone likes it. But Car Talk - Everyone loves it but I just cannot see where the humor is. It might have some value as a Q&A show about cars, but funny? It's two Uncles (of pallor) heehawing away, using nothing but the natural human tendency to laugh or smile when others do. I'm yet to hear ONE funny thing on that show. If you can think of something, please post it here or send by email. Someone PLEASE help!!!</blockquote> <p>OMG I'm a girly girl and I loveeeeeeee them. They are just funny. It's silly humor but there is no practice. These guys are MIT and Harvard guys and brilliant with cars but the penchant for drop zone comedy is fantastic. For example they had a guy call in, desi who said he was finally bringing his bride to America from India. She was his love for 8 years and she waited for him. He said he had a car that looked crappy on the outside but was fantastic on the inside and loved it and was a little embarrassed about going to the airport to pick her up. The guys were hysterical. They were giving him all these ideas about the excuses he should give her about why the car looks the way it does. I was in stitches. In the end they said "She waited for you for 8 years and she's moving across the world for you, she doesn't care about your car...if you love it so will she". Underneath the funny they are just heartwarming guys who are regular guys that say shit to eachother back and forth.</p> All the other shows, I can understand why someone likes it. But Car Talk – Everyone loves it but I just cannot see where the humor is. It might have some value as a Q&A show about cars, but funny? It’s two Uncles (of pallor) heehawing away, using nothing but the natural human tendency to laugh or smile when others do. I’m yet to hear ONE funny thing on that show. If you can think of something, please post it here or send by email. Someone PLEASE help!!!

OMG I’m a girly girl and I loveeeeeeee them. They are just funny. It’s silly humor but there is no practice. These guys are MIT and Harvard guys and brilliant with cars but the penchant for drop zone comedy is fantastic. For example they had a guy call in, desi who said he was finally bringing his bride to America from India. She was his love for 8 years and she waited for him. He said he had a car that looked crappy on the outside but was fantastic on the inside and loved it and was a little embarrassed about going to the airport to pick her up. The guys were hysterical. They were giving him all these ideas about the excuses he should give her about why the car looks the way it does. I was in stitches. In the end they said “She waited for you for 8 years and she’s moving across the world for you, she doesn’t care about your car…if you love it so will she”. Underneath the funny they are just heartwarming guys who are regular guys that say shit to eachother back and forth.

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By: Kurma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/25/as_sm_loyalist/comment-page-1/#comment-96631 Kurma Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:01:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3898#comment-96631 <p>OK, I realize humor is subjective. So, just let me know if it appealed to you. Don't even tell me the joke. When you listen to Car Talk next time, if you aren't just laughing along with them and there's even one time you think "THAT was funny", just let me know.</p> OK, I realize humor is subjective. So, just let me know if it appealed to you. Don’t even tell me the joke. When you listen to Car Talk next time, if you aren’t just laughing along with them and there’s even one time you think “THAT was funny”, just let me know.

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