Comments on: Eid Mubarak! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96363 Kush Tandon Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:40:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96363 <p><i>(although not a Buddhist)</i></p> <p><b>Kurma,</b></p> <p>Often, Buddhists in India do not openly identify unless they are monks. Again, if you went to the Himalayas, you would see a lot of Buddhists in their robes.</p> <p>Also, quite a few people in India have some mixed version of faith practised - Hinduism and Buddhism together. Very similar to what is happening in America today - Christianity, Jewish, and Buddhism often mix - New York Times had an article recently.</p> <p>If you visited in northern Indian areas around Delhi and up - you would interacted with Muslims at every walk of life - school mates to sabji wala or tailor</p> (although not a Buddhist)

Kurma,

Often, Buddhists in India do not openly identify unless they are monks. Again, if you went to the Himalayas, you would see a lot of Buddhists in their robes.

Also, quite a few people in India have some mixed version of faith practised – Hinduism and Buddhism together. Very similar to what is happening in America today – Christianity, Jewish, and Buddhism often mix – New York Times had an article recently.

If you visited in northern Indian areas around Delhi and up – you would interacted with Muslims at every walk of life – school mates to sabji wala or tailor

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By: Beige Siege http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96358 Beige Siege Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:08:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96358 <p>For the romantically inclined - How <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_%28India%29#History">Hyderabad</a> came to be.</p> For the romantically inclined – How Hyderabad came to be.

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By: desishiksa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96357 desishiksa Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:48:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96357 <p>Not only do mosque and temple coexist around the Charminar but its builder, Mohammed Quli Qutb Shah, was married to a Hindu woman. How's that for mixing?<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Quli_Qutb_Shah</p> Not only do mosque and temple coexist around the Charminar but its builder, Mohammed Quli Qutb Shah, was married to a Hindu woman. How’s that for mixing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Quli_Qutb_Shah

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96349 Kush Tandon Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:37:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96349 <p><i>I really think Hyderabad is the most cosmopolitan city in India, horrible communal riots notwithstanding. </i></p> <p>I would agree. I have been to Hyderababd twice recently.</p> <p>Just go to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charminar">Charminar</a> (perhaps one of the largest bazaars in the world), has one of the largest mosque in Asia is surrounded by temples. In fact, one of the Charminar pillar has a makeshift Hindu temple.</p> <p>Another example is Chandini Chowk, Delhi - Jama Masjid, Gurduwara Sisganj, and multiple temples next to each other.</p> <p>When I am in India, I wake up to Bollywood songs, hymns from Gurudwara, temple, mosque on loud speaker before sun rise. All this said, I am not sugar-coating underlying tension and violence that does shows up time to time between religions.</p> <p>I strongly think mixing in India, like any country in the world is dictated by economic stratification.</p> I really think Hyderabad is the most cosmopolitan city in India, horrible communal riots notwithstanding.

I would agree. I have been to Hyderababd twice recently.

Just go to Charminar (perhaps one of the largest bazaars in the world), has one of the largest mosque in Asia is surrounded by temples. In fact, one of the Charminar pillar has a makeshift Hindu temple.

Another example is Chandini Chowk, Delhi – Jama Masjid, Gurduwara Sisganj, and multiple temples next to each other.

When I am in India, I wake up to Bollywood songs, hymns from Gurudwara, temple, mosque on loud speaker before sun rise. All this said, I am not sugar-coating underlying tension and violence that does shows up time to time between religions.

I strongly think mixing in India, like any country in the world is dictated by economic stratification.

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By: desishiksa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96347 desishiksa Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:22:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96347 <p>I grew up in Hyderabad. About a quarter of my class in elementary and high school at the small school I went to was Muslim, a few Christians and Parsis, the rest of us were Hindus. Maybe because Hyderabad having a strong Muslim culture also has Muslims distributed throughout all strata of society like Hindus. My school was populated mainly by upper middle class types regardless of religion. We grew up around each other and went over to each others' houses for holidays so we didn't really have that sense of cultural insularity . I really think Hyderabad is the most cosmopolitan city in India, horrible communal riots notwithstanding.<br /> Hyderabad is in South India, so there is another large Muslim population besides TN and Kerala.</p> I grew up in Hyderabad. About a quarter of my class in elementary and high school at the small school I went to was Muslim, a few Christians and Parsis, the rest of us were Hindus. Maybe because Hyderabad having a strong Muslim culture also has Muslims distributed throughout all strata of society like Hindus. My school was populated mainly by upper middle class types regardless of religion. We grew up around each other and went over to each others’ houses for holidays so we didn’t really have that sense of cultural insularity . I really think Hyderabad is the most cosmopolitan city in India, horrible communal riots notwithstanding.
Hyderabad is in South India, so there is another large Muslim population besides TN and Kerala.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96343 Kush Tandon Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:49:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96343 <p><i>My close friend and I have talked a lot about why this might be. If 15% of Indians are Muslims, why aren't 15% of my classmates?</i></p> <p>It depends, if you went to a Kendriya Vidhyalas in northern India (UP, etc), perhaps close to 15% will be Muslims. Not strictly, as <b>AMD</b> said, economics plays a big role, and also self-segregation.</p> <p>It is not any different from African Americans here. Say, if you went to Doon School (high end prep school), I am sure the percentage will be lot lower. Getting admitted to IIT, IIM has mostly economics in play to be competitive.</p> <p>However, I went to pretty preppie schools and University in India, I would say that close to 10% were Muslims where I attended but then Roorkee is within Muslim dominated area - Saharanpur, Meerut, etc.</p> <p>Over the years, my father has been main advisor to around 35 PhD students - it included Men, Women, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, and Muslims. One of his last formal (before retirement) student was a Muslim - the student was a son of a medical doctors - he is in States, his brother is a LSE graduate, and is in UK. Again, economic status is the key.</p> My close friend and I have talked a lot about why this might be. If 15% of Indians are Muslims, why aren’t 15% of my classmates?

It depends, if you went to a Kendriya Vidhyalas in northern India (UP, etc), perhaps close to 15% will be Muslims. Not strictly, as AMD said, economics plays a big role, and also self-segregation.

It is not any different from African Americans here. Say, if you went to Doon School (high end prep school), I am sure the percentage will be lot lower. Getting admitted to IIT, IIM has mostly economics in play to be competitive.

However, I went to pretty preppie schools and University in India, I would say that close to 10% were Muslims where I attended but then Roorkee is within Muslim dominated area – Saharanpur, Meerut, etc.

Over the years, my father has been main advisor to around 35 PhD students – it included Men, Women, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, and Muslims. One of his last formal (before retirement) student was a Muslim – the student was a son of a medical doctors – he is in States, his brother is a LSE graduate, and is in UK. Again, economic status is the key.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96335 Amitabh Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:50:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96335 <p>It boils down to segregation (for whatever reason(s). Most cities have distinct Muslim areas or neighborhoods, where Hindus are a small to non-existant minority. There are other neighborhoods which are more mixed, but usually they are also 'working-class' kinds of places (so people like Kurma and others from India on this site would not likely have interacted with them). Upscale areas (or even middle-class areas) have fewer Muslims, because generally-speaking, they are not as well-off (as a group). Plus, there is not a lot of social interaction taking place anyway, due to prejudices on both sides.</p> It boils down to segregation (for whatever reason(s). Most cities have distinct Muslim areas or neighborhoods, where Hindus are a small to non-existant minority. There are other neighborhoods which are more mixed, but usually they are also ‘working-class’ kinds of places (so people like Kurma and others from India on this site would not likely have interacted with them). Upscale areas (or even middle-class areas) have fewer Muslims, because generally-speaking, they are not as well-off (as a group). Plus, there is not a lot of social interaction taking place anyway, due to prejudices on both sides.

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By: Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96329 Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:36:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96329 <p>Re: Muslims in schools</p> <p>Muslims in Indian are pretty poor (especially up in the north in states like UP). People who come from India to the US for high tech jobs/grad schools etc. probably went to very good schools in India and its no surprise that they did not see any Muslims there in the schools they attended in India. For example, in cities across UP, Muslims usually range from 20-30% and very few of them are able to go to the elite schools of those cities. I suspect the percentage of Muslims students would be much higher in public schools.</p> <p>Also with periodic state sponsored mini-massacres of Muslims in Meerut, Bhagalpur, Surat, Bombay and now Gujarat, it would make sense for Muslims to keep their heads down and maintain a low profile.</p> Re: Muslims in schools

Muslims in Indian are pretty poor (especially up in the north in states like UP). People who come from India to the US for high tech jobs/grad schools etc. probably went to very good schools in India and its no surprise that they did not see any Muslims there in the schools they attended in India. For example, in cities across UP, Muslims usually range from 20-30% and very few of them are able to go to the elite schools of those cities. I suspect the percentage of Muslims students would be much higher in public schools.

Also with periodic state sponsored mini-massacres of Muslims in Meerut, Bhagalpur, Surat, Bombay and now Gujarat, it would make sense for Muslims to keep their heads down and maintain a low profile.

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By: Ismat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96257 Ismat Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:44:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96257 <p>I don't know how accurate this is, but <a href="http://www.geocities.com/adnan025/map2.html">here's a map</a> that details the concentration of Muslim population in India.</p> I don’t know how accurate this is, but here’s a map that details the concentration of Muslim population in India.

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By: okayslayer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/23/eid_mubarak/comment-page-2/#comment-96255 okayslayer Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:37:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3891#comment-96255 <p>Outside of Kerala and perhaps Tamil Nadu, I do not think there are sizable Muslim populations in South India (please correct me if I am wrong). I worked with a woman from Tamil Nadu, who was Hindu and married to a Muslim. Apparently this was not that uncommon. I'm completely speculating here, but I think Southern India has had a more "tolerant" and "open" history with Muslims than the north, possibly due to the fact that the earliest Muslims came there as traders instead of as conquerers.</p> Outside of Kerala and perhaps Tamil Nadu, I do not think there are sizable Muslim populations in South India (please correct me if I am wrong). I worked with a woman from Tamil Nadu, who was Hindu and married to a Muslim. Apparently this was not that uncommon. I’m completely speculating here, but I think Southern India has had a more “tolerant” and “open” history with Muslims than the north, possibly due to the fact that the earliest Muslims came there as traders instead of as conquerers.

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