Comments on: Gregor Samsa Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95595 Ennis Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:26:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95595 <p>Ha! What, and risk Abhi's wrath ? :)</p> Ha! What, and risk Abhi’s wrath ? :)

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95593 Pardesi Gori Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:20:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95593 <p>I need their contact info a.s.a.p.</p> I need their contact info a.s.a.p.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95591 Ennis Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:14:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95591 <p>I think the twins went to school in India as well.</p> I think the twins went to school in India as well.

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95588 Pardesi Gori Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:10:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95588 <p>OMG I just now noticed the photo of Laxmichand Singh beating that drum in the shade of autumnal tree.</p> <p>Oooooooooooooh he's handsome!</p> <p>I'll be your Laxmi if you be my Chand! (rhymes with lund - hee hee hee)</p> <p>Ek chandani raat Sardarji ke sath</p> <p>Sheetal chaya ke neeche Bahut sundar kala paccha ke peeche!</p> OMG I just now noticed the photo of Laxmichand Singh beating that drum in the shade of autumnal tree.

Oooooooooooooh he’s handsome!

I’ll be your Laxmi if you be my Chand! (rhymes with lund – hee hee hee)

Ek chandani raat Sardarji ke sath

Sheetal chaya ke neeche Bahut sundar kala paccha ke peeche!

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95583 Pardesi Gori Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:56:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95583 <p>Then you have the cases of babies who were born to parents who spend alot of time in India as a result of their affiliation with and "Indian religion", or if not spending alot of time in India, they spend alot of time around people and things of an Indian origin, all the while not being Indian but not fitting into the mainstream of American (or whatever country's) life.</p> <p>It can be difficult for them to adjust in either direction.</p> <p>Just talk to any ISKCON or OSHO or Pondicherry Ashram kid.</p> Then you have the cases of babies who were born to parents who spend alot of time in India as a result of their affiliation with and “Indian religion”, or if not spending alot of time in India, they spend alot of time around people and things of an Indian origin, all the while not being Indian but not fitting into the mainstream of American (or whatever country’s) life.

It can be difficult for them to adjust in either direction.

Just talk to any ISKCON or OSHO or Pondicherry Ashram kid.

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95462 Pardesi Gori Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:27:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95462 <p>If one reads the Bhagavat Purana, otherwise known as the Srimad Bhagavatam, an essential text for many of the Vaishnava sects of India and worldwide, one finds a harmonious balance of the two concepts nirguna/saguna brahm.</p> <p>The Gaudiya Vaishnavas consider the Bhagavat Purana to be a commentary of Vyas's Vedanta Sutra - wherein nirguna concept is elaborated.</p> <p>Anyway, as far as westerners taking up eastern religions, we do have to sort out almost on a daily basis what is essential to the actual practice (sadhana) and what is just cultural baggage parading as essential to the sadhana.</p> <p>Sadhana is meant to rid one of samskaras (cultural conditionings), but often we see westerners trying to shed one cultural conditioning only to take up another, in the name of sadhana itself, erroneously thinking that the eastern cultural conditionings will somehow benefit them spiritually, whereas they do not.</p> <p>I've seen the same phenomena but in the opposite direction amongst some Desi christians in India who are very much influenced by American style christianity.</p> <p>I guess culture and religion are interlinked until one reaches the higher levels of spiritual attainment, like the avadhutas.</p> If one reads the Bhagavat Purana, otherwise known as the Srimad Bhagavatam, an essential text for many of the Vaishnava sects of India and worldwide, one finds a harmonious balance of the two concepts nirguna/saguna brahm.

The Gaudiya Vaishnavas consider the Bhagavat Purana to be a commentary of Vyas’s Vedanta Sutra – wherein nirguna concept is elaborated.

Anyway, as far as westerners taking up eastern religions, we do have to sort out almost on a daily basis what is essential to the actual practice (sadhana) and what is just cultural baggage parading as essential to the sadhana.

Sadhana is meant to rid one of samskaras (cultural conditionings), but often we see westerners trying to shed one cultural conditioning only to take up another, in the name of sadhana itself, erroneously thinking that the eastern cultural conditionings will somehow benefit them spiritually, whereas they do not.

I’ve seen the same phenomena but in the opposite direction amongst some Desi christians in India who are very much influenced by American style christianity.

I guess culture and religion are interlinked until one reaches the higher levels of spiritual attainment, like the avadhutas.

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By: tef http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95384 tef Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:19:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95384 <p>Kalsi,</p> <p>Thanks for the link to the Oberoi book. Looks interesting. Just the book I have been looking for ever since I bumped into this intriguing paragraph from Nicholas Dirks' <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Castes-Mind-Colonialism-Making-India/dp/0691088950/sr=1-1/qid=1161295873/ref=sr_1_1/002-0657369-3939201?ie=UTF8&s=books">Castes of Mind</a>.</p> <p>“[George] MacMunn believed that the army had actually played a role in strengthening the Sikh faith and community; by not admitting “unbaptized” Sikhs for example, “it is the British officer who has kept Sikhism up its old standard.” In fact, British recruiting had insisted on taking only those Sikhs who looked (to the British) like Sikhs, selecting, only unshorn Khalsa Sikhs for army service. And as Bernard Cohn has demonstrated, <b>the almost canonic status of the Sikh turban owes its current importance to the development of special Sikh codes of regimental dress</b>; the marker of an ethnic regiment became the sign of a modern religious community across the world.”</p> Kalsi,

Thanks for the link to the Oberoi book. Looks interesting. Just the book I have been looking for ever since I bumped into this intriguing paragraph from Nicholas Dirks’ Castes of Mind.

“[George] MacMunn believed that the army had actually played a role in strengthening the Sikh faith and community; by not admitting “unbaptized” Sikhs for example, “it is the British officer who has kept Sikhism up its old standard.” In fact, British recruiting had insisted on taking only those Sikhs who looked (to the British) like Sikhs, selecting, only unshorn Khalsa Sikhs for army service. And as Bernard Cohn has demonstrated, the almost canonic status of the Sikh turban owes its current importance to the development of special Sikh codes of regimental dress; the marker of an ethnic regiment became the sign of a modern religious community across the world.”

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By: Tara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-95168 Tara Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:04:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-95168 <p>wow! these are extraordinary pictures, taken quite beautifully. Being an Indian, I have never heard or seen or even imagined a non sikh, adopting the religion, specially the westerners. Its a religion, which requires a lot of discipline and strength. My male sikh friends, dont wear turban, because they want to look hip. And those who do, wear it with a lot of pride and affection. I have only seen once in India where a little girl was wearing turban....Nevertheless, the pics were really wonderful and it said a lot about religion, that it all depends upon faith, choose which ever religion..</p> wow! these are extraordinary pictures, taken quite beautifully. Being an Indian, I have never heard or seen or even imagined a non sikh, adopting the religion, specially the westerners. Its a religion, which requires a lot of discipline and strength. My male sikh friends, dont wear turban, because they want to look hip. And those who do, wear it with a lot of pride and affection. I have only seen once in India where a little girl was wearing turban….Nevertheless, the pics were really wonderful and it said a lot about religion, that it all depends upon faith, choose which ever religion..

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By: Kalsi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-94840 Kalsi Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:16:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-94840 <p>Kritic</p> <p>Harjot Oberoi's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Construction-Religious-Boundaries-Diversity-Tradition/dp/0226615936/sr=1-2/qid=1161186342/ref=sr_1_2/102-6371764-3691330?ie=UTF8&s=books">book </a><b>The Construction of Religious Boundaries: Culture, Identity, and Diversity in the Sikh Tradition</b> is a particularly worthwhile read, should you ever be interested. I don't agree with all he concludes but it is a valuable work, and set the cat amongst the pigeons of certain Sikh ideologues when it was published a decade or so ago.</p> Kritic

Harjot Oberoi’s book The Construction of Religious Boundaries: Culture, Identity, and Diversity in the Sikh Tradition is a particularly worthwhile read, should you ever be interested. I don’t agree with all he concludes but it is a valuable work, and set the cat amongst the pigeons of certain Sikh ideologues when it was published a decade or so ago.

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By: Kritic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/10/17/gregor_samsa/comment-page-3/#comment-94836 Kritic Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:02:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3877#comment-94836 <p>Kalsi - I couldn't agree more. Elst, as a reference, was lazy on my part.</p> Kalsi – I couldn’t agree more. Elst, as a reference, was lazy on my part.

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