Comments on: Allen’s Cavalier remarks surface http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90755 Manju Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:10:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90755 <blockquote>I don't think this is a shocker to anyone given that they were both Republicans for most of their lives.</blockquote> <p>they can't all be saints like W.</p> I don’t think this is a shocker to anyone given that they were both Republicans for most of their lives.

they can’t all be saints like W.

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By: Lobo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90753 Lobo Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:06:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90753 <blockquote>With a deer's head, confed flag and all, allen is probably worse though webb probably treats women worse.</blockquote> <p>Manju, I don't think this is a shocker to anyone given that they were both Republicans for most of their lives.</p> With a deer’s head, confed flag and all, allen is probably worse though webb probably treats women worse.

Manju, I don’t think this is a shocker to anyone given that they were both Republicans for most of their lives.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90749 Manju Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:20:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90749 <p>Apparently, Webb has <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092702062.html">probably used the N-word </a>a few times himself. He says: "I don't think that there's anyone who grew up around the South that hasn't had the word pass through their lips at one time in their life," which I take the same way I take Allen's claim that he "doesn't remember."</p> <p>With a deer's head, confed flag and all, allen is probably worse though webb probably treats women worse. Is it a tu quoque fallacy to bring this up in the context of a choice between the two men? or is this fair and balanced? I report, you decide.</p> Apparently, Webb has probably used the N-word a few times himself. He says: “I don’t think that there’s anyone who grew up around the South that hasn’t had the word pass through their lips at one time in their life,” which I take the same way I take Allen’s claim that he “doesn’t remember.”

With a deer’s head, confed flag and all, allen is probably worse though webb probably treats women worse. Is it a tu quoque fallacy to bring this up in the context of a choice between the two men? or is this fair and balanced? I report, you decide.

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By: Subodh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90369 Subodh Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:02:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90369 <p>And <a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/sep/28/va_sen_another_witness_claims_allen_uttered_slurs">here's yet another witness to George Allen using the n-word</a>. You can hear her story first hand on video.</p> And here’s yet another witness to George Allen using the n-word. You can hear her story first hand on video.

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By: BrooklynBrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90089 BrooklynBrown Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:39:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90089 <p>I really need to spellcheck. Sorry, y'all!</p> I really need to spellcheck. Sorry, y’all!

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By: BrooklynBrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90054 BrooklynBrown Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:02:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90054 <blockquote>I think Allen is toast, now. This whole thing has just gotten a life of its own and its not going to go away easily. Swift boated indeed !!! That Karma is a bitch.</blockquote> <p>Allen is actually very much alive, RC. In <a href="http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2006/09/new_poll.html">the latest poll</a>, he's ahead by 5%. For him to anger Confederate flag lovers is akin to when Hillary angers antiwar groups or gay righs activists in that these groups have no one else to vote for; they're votes already in his back pocket, and now his goal is to recapture the center by positioning himself as less of a racist than the facts convey. Unless something drastically changes (such as Allen calling Rep. John Lewis a n*gger), I think Allen will win.</p> <p>Part of the problem, which is I think a problem that many Democrats share, is that Webb isn't inspiring Virginia nor realy getting his views out. All of the negative publicity is keeping the focus on Allen, giving him lots of face time in the media, and allowing him to turn questions about his racist past into opportunities for him to talk about his values (e.g., "I come from a football culture where the color of one's skin doesn't matter"). Meanwhile, Webb can't get his message out because the focus is on Allen.</p> <p>Albeit, the thrust is something negative about Allen, but by this point, after Macacagate and the stories of the noose, etc., the people who'll decide their vote on the parameter of racism have been moved, which accounts for the increase i Webb's poll nmber by 15 points. Additional revelations of Allen's racism are unlikely to sway the stalwarts who're sticking by Allen unless the revelation is stark and current (e.g., Allen calling Rep. John Lewis a n*gger).</p> <p>To me, it really says a lot about Virginia voters and about Allen's spin that he's still 5% ahead in the polls.</p> <p>BTW, I read a conservative blog today to see how the other side thinks. I'd recommend <a href="http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2006/george_allen_and_the_n_word">this</a>.</p> I think Allen is toast, now. This whole thing has just gotten a life of its own and its not going to go away easily. Swift boated indeed !!! That Karma is a bitch.

Allen is actually very much alive, RC. In the latest poll, he’s ahead by 5%. For him to anger Confederate flag lovers is akin to when Hillary angers antiwar groups or gay righs activists in that these groups have no one else to vote for; they’re votes already in his back pocket, and now his goal is to recapture the center by positioning himself as less of a racist than the facts convey. Unless something drastically changes (such as Allen calling Rep. John Lewis a n*gger), I think Allen will win.

Part of the problem, which is I think a problem that many Democrats share, is that Webb isn’t inspiring Virginia nor realy getting his views out. All of the negative publicity is keeping the focus on Allen, giving him lots of face time in the media, and allowing him to turn questions about his racist past into opportunities for him to talk about his values (e.g., “I come from a football culture where the color of one’s skin doesn’t matter”). Meanwhile, Webb can’t get his message out because the focus is on Allen.

Albeit, the thrust is something negative about Allen, but by this point, after Macacagate and the stories of the noose, etc., the people who’ll decide their vote on the parameter of racism have been moved, which accounts for the increase i Webb’s poll nmber by 15 points. Additional revelations of Allen’s racism are unlikely to sway the stalwarts who’re sticking by Allen unless the revelation is stark and current (e.g., Allen calling Rep. John Lewis a n*gger).

To me, it really says a lot about Virginia voters and about Allen’s spin that he’s still 5% ahead in the polls.

BTW, I read a conservative blog today to see how the other side thinks. I’d recommend this.

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By: Subodh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90050 Subodh Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:43:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90050 <p>Check out the <a href="http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935264&c=MGArticle&cid=1149190734278&path=!news!politics">byline </a>on this article.</p> Check out the byline on this article.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90045 RC Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:53:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90045 <p>I think Allen is toast, now. This whole thing has just gotten a life of its own and its not going to go away easily. Swift boated indeed !!! That Karma is a bitch.</p> I think Allen is toast, now. This whole thing has just gotten a life of its own and its not going to go away easily. Swift boated indeed !!! That Karma is a bitch.

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By: Subodh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-90039 Subodh Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:22:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-90039 <p>Okay. Someone please give me a dope slap. <a href="http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=111740&ran=74143&tref=po">This story</a> actually almost makes me feel sorry for Allen. The guy can't catch a break. Now the Confederate flag lovers are after him.</p> Okay. Someone please give me a dope slap. This story actually almost makes me feel sorry for Allen. The guy can’t catch a break. Now the Confederate flag lovers are after him.

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By: Subodh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/25/allens_cavalier/comment-page-4/#comment-89962 Subodh Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:11:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3811#comment-89962 <p>Dear-head story also <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/27/allen_deerhead/">corroborated in <i>Salon</i>.</a></p> Dear-head story also corroborated in Salon.

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