Comments on: The original Indian American lobby http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-90391 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:40:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-90391 <blockquote>Sorry for nit-picking, but Bhagat Singh was not a Sikh in practice or belief during the latter part of his life -- wasn't he a self-proclaimed atheist, even at the time he was executed ?</blockquote> <p>He most certainly was an atheist and wrote quite extensively (and eloquently, in my opinion) of his <a href="http://www.boloji.com/spirituality/051.htm">steadfast refusal to embrace the concept of God</a> before his death.</p> <blockquote>During the mid 80s in Punjab there was an enormous amount of timidity. Regular folks do exhibit timidity when they are confronted with the prosepct of losing their loved ones, their life or their property.</blockquote> <p>That may be, but <a href="http://www.info-sikh.com/PagePeace1.html">extraordinary folks </a>exhibit remarkable fearlessness and bravery when confronted with those same prospects.</p> Sorry for nit-picking, but Bhagat Singh was not a Sikh in practice or belief during the latter part of his life — wasn’t he a self-proclaimed atheist, even at the time he was executed ?

He most certainly was an atheist and wrote quite extensively (and eloquently, in my opinion) of his steadfast refusal to embrace the concept of God before his death.

During the mid 80s in Punjab there was an enormous amount of timidity. Regular folks do exhibit timidity when they are confronted with the prosepct of losing their loved ones, their life or their property.

That may be, but extraordinary folks exhibit remarkable fearlessness and bravery when confronted with those same prospects.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-90137 RC Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:33:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-90137 <p>Fascinating !!!! Absolutely !!! Ghadar one of my favorite topics. If I had the money and time I would write a story around Ghadar and make a movie about it. It also has espionage for god sake. Just great !!</p> Fascinating !!!! Absolutely !!! Ghadar one of my favorite topics. If I had the money and time I would write a story around Ghadar and make a movie about it. It also has espionage for god sake. Just great !!

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-90122 Amitabh Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:07:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-90122 <p>Apology accepted, no hard feelings.</p> Apology accepted, no hard feelings.

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By: DesiDawg http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89725 DesiDawg Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:47:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89725 <p><i>But let's give DesiDawg the benefit of the doubt for the time-being, and assume that it's just a misunderstanding rather than any deliberate maliciousness on his part. </i></p> <p>My aim wasn't to be hurtful. However it did turn out that way so I apologize.</p> But let’s give DesiDawg the benefit of the doubt for the time-being, and assume that it’s just a misunderstanding rather than any deliberate maliciousness on his part.

My aim wasn’t to be hurtful. However it did turn out that way so I apologize.

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89499 Jai Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:41:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89499 <p>Amitabh, no problem. Just speaking the truth.</p> Amitabh, no problem. Just speaking the truth.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89381 Amitabh Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:29:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89381 <p>Jai, just wanted to say thanks for your nice words.</p> Jai, just wanted to say thanks for your nice words.

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By: SP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89280 SP Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:33:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89280 <p>The book sounds fascinating. I'm very tickled to see that some things about desis in the US seem not to have changed in a century - railing against racism but only asking to be accepted in the ranks of the superior race, not fighting the system; taking advantage of our association with Ancient Spiritual Wisdom (yes, I did read palms in college...); and being good rabble-rousing politicized trouble-makers!</p> The book sounds fascinating. I’m very tickled to see that some things about desis in the US seem not to have changed in a century – railing against racism but only asking to be accepted in the ranks of the superior race, not fighting the system; taking advantage of our association with Ancient Spiritual Wisdom (yes, I did read palms in college…); and being good rabble-rousing politicized trouble-makers!

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89253 Abhi Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:14:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89253 <blockquote>Abhi did you imply by this that solidarity exists in current times? Because I don't believe it does.</blockquote> <p>I <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=asian+pacific+american&btnG=Search">know</a> that it does since I have been involved with it in the past.</p> Abhi did you imply by this that solidarity exists in current times? Because I don’t believe it does.

I know that it does since I have been involved with it in the past.

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By: Janeofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89248 Janeofalltrades Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:12:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89248 <blockquote>I can see that solidarity with other Asian Americans definitely wasnÂ’t in vogue at the time.</blockquote> <p>Abhi did you imply by this that solidarity exists in current times? Because I don't believe it does. I don't want to start yet another debate (already had <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002790.html">here</a>)but Indians from two different regions of India don't have solidarity despite being American so I don't see that happening with two different countries because they happen to be from the same continent.</p> <p>BTW all this infighting here brings back bad memories of Sulekha.com. Some people really have just bad manners and appear to be taking their personal frustrations out on each other here but you are all smart educated folks for cryin out loud, you can bitchslap each other with civility and intellect.</p> <p>Jai, got your note, see my response to you there :-)</p> I can see that solidarity with other Asian Americans definitely wasnÂ’t in vogue at the time.

Abhi did you imply by this that solidarity exists in current times? Because I don’t believe it does. I don’t want to start yet another debate (already had here)but Indians from two different regions of India don’t have solidarity despite being American so I don’t see that happening with two different countries because they happen to be from the same continent.

BTW all this infighting here brings back bad memories of Sulekha.com. Some people really have just bad manners and appear to be taking their personal frustrations out on each other here but you are all smart educated folks for cryin out loud, you can bitchslap each other with civility and intellect.

Jai, got your note, see my response to you there :-)

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/24/the_original_in/comment-page-1/#comment-89246 Jai Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:02:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3810#comment-89246 <p><b>DesiDawg,</b></p> <blockquote>and later when the police atrocities happened. </blockquote> <p>Unless I'm misunderstanding you myself, I have to politely disagree here. Police brutality actually pushed large numbers of Sikhs (especially those who were innocent but were directly/indirectly victims of "encounters", beatings etc) towards becoming sympathetic towards the terrorists if not actually actively involved. The film <i>Maachis</i> depicts this in a fairly accurate way. Also, there have been ongoing movements by Sikhs worldwide to pursue (compensation, legal prosecutions etc) the police who were responsible for such actions. Such activities to bring the culprits to justice as still underway.</p> <p>Also, the terrorists themselves were Sikhs, frequently drawn from rural backgrounds, and I don't think they could be described as "timid" by any stretch of the imagination ;)</p> <p>I do think Sikhs back in India should be a little more assertive in matters such as their depiction in the desi media, as I've mentioned on SM a few times previously, but that's not related to the issues you've been discussing anyway, so I don't want to labor the point here.</p> <blockquote>But I don't want to start another bitter exchange on here with A&A.</blockquote> <p>Good idea, man. You know how these things can spiral insanely out of control ;)</p> DesiDawg,

and later when the police atrocities happened.

Unless I’m misunderstanding you myself, I have to politely disagree here. Police brutality actually pushed large numbers of Sikhs (especially those who were innocent but were directly/indirectly victims of “encounters”, beatings etc) towards becoming sympathetic towards the terrorists if not actually actively involved. The film Maachis depicts this in a fairly accurate way. Also, there have been ongoing movements by Sikhs worldwide to pursue (compensation, legal prosecutions etc) the police who were responsible for such actions. Such activities to bring the culprits to justice as still underway.

Also, the terrorists themselves were Sikhs, frequently drawn from rural backgrounds, and I don’t think they could be described as “timid” by any stretch of the imagination ;)

I do think Sikhs back in India should be a little more assertive in matters such as their depiction in the desi media, as I’ve mentioned on SM a few times previously, but that’s not related to the issues you’ve been discussing anyway, so I don’t want to labor the point here.

But I don’t want to start another bitter exchange on here with A&A.

Good idea, man. You know how these things can spiral insanely out of control ;)

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