Comments on: Montreal slaughter nutcase was desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: RnR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-202115 RnR Thu, 01 May 2008 21:37:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-202115 <p>whoa</p> whoa

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By: Rachel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87722 Rachel Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:16:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87722 <p>To whomever it may concern,</p> <p>This e-mail is in reguards to the recent Montreal shootings involving a Mr. Kimveer Gill.</p> <p>Vampirefreaks.com. Why is it being assumed that just because this "murderer" was a member of VF, that it has anything to do with the website or its anyother 600,000 members?</p> <p>A place I call my "cyber" home, is now being investigated. Among the 9,000 people who joined Vampirefreaks.com to view Gill's profile, there were investegators, detectives and police.They have access to everything and anything they want and true members, like myself, who have been members for over two years, are starting to wonder wether this is actually going to go away, or if infact the site will end up a shut down mess.</p> <p>Google.com and such sites have copied Gill's profile, journals, photo galleries and much more, seeing as his actual profile needed to be deleted as a result of such hate mail and what not. The Media is saying that we could have prevented all this from happening. That his profile and picture gallery was a deffinite sign of his mental state. There are actually thousands of profiles on Vampirefreaks.com exactly like that.... but only 0.0001% of those profiles are actually a threat.</p> <p>As for Jet (VF Webmaster). He should be completely left alone. The Media has been "harrassing" him to no end. He is a completey decent person, and for reasons I have already stated, has nothing to do with these recent events, just like he never had anything to do with previous murders and crimes. Please concider a positive story or statement concerning the matter. I suspended my own profile on Vampirefreaks.com purely because I keep getting enquires about giving an interview, and I was not willing, but now I am.</p> <p>Please contact me.</p> <p>R.Petan Sydney, AU.</p> To whomever it may concern,

This e-mail is in reguards to the recent Montreal shootings involving a Mr. Kimveer Gill.

Vampirefreaks.com. Why is it being assumed that just because this “murderer” was a member of VF, that it has anything to do with the website or its anyother 600,000 members?

A place I call my “cyber” home, is now being investigated. Among the 9,000 people who joined Vampirefreaks.com to view Gill’s profile, there were investegators, detectives and police.They have access to everything and anything they want and true members, like myself, who have been members for over two years, are starting to wonder wether this is actually going to go away, or if infact the site will end up a shut down mess.

Google.com and such sites have copied Gill’s profile, journals, photo galleries and much more, seeing as his actual profile needed to be deleted as a result of such hate mail and what not. The Media is saying that we could have prevented all this from happening. That his profile and picture gallery was a deffinite sign of his mental state. There are actually thousands of profiles on Vampirefreaks.com exactly like that…. but only 0.0001% of those profiles are actually a threat.

As for Jet (VF Webmaster). He should be completely left alone. The Media has been “harrassing” him to no end. He is a completey decent person, and for reasons I have already stated, has nothing to do with these recent events, just like he never had anything to do with previous murders and crimes. Please concider a positive story or statement concerning the matter. I suspended my own profile on Vampirefreaks.com purely because I keep getting enquires about giving an interview, and I was not willing, but now I am.

Please contact me.

R.Petan Sydney, AU.

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By: UmmX2 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87520 UmmX2 Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:52:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87520 <p>Ikram, I also agree, I'm glad he didn't have a muslim sounding name. Why? Well, like a palestinan muslim friend who watched Syriana, said afterwards, 'I'm so glad the suicide bomber wasn't arab'.... its that 'not-another-one' feeling. The less than 5% of over a billion muslims have left the rest of us enough to deal with.</p> <p>Yet, being Canadian and desi myself, I am shocked, horrified, and saddened at what he's done. I can't help but wonder why no one had reached out to him to help him. So he was a bit of a loner, but he had family...had siblings....and if they weren't close, someone online could have helped him...afterall he did have a blog, and the site he visited.</p> Ikram, I also agree, I’m glad he didn’t have a muslim sounding name. Why? Well, like a palestinan muslim friend who watched Syriana, said afterwards, ‘I’m so glad the suicide bomber wasn’t arab’…. its that ‘not-another-one’ feeling. The less than 5% of over a billion muslims have left the rest of us enough to deal with.

Yet, being Canadian and desi myself, I am shocked, horrified, and saddened at what he’s done. I can’t help but wonder why no one had reached out to him to help him. So he was a bit of a loner, but he had family…had siblings….and if they weren’t close, someone online could have helped him…afterall he did have a blog, and the site he visited.

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By: John http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87478 John Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:42:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87478 <p>"Do a lot of young desi guys tend to sway white/Goth rather than white/skater-cum-surfer-dude or ghetto/hip-hop? What else is there for teen guys? Either way, do you end up feeling like a poser or wannabe? "</p> <p>Well, this would have never happened if he grew up in Toronto or Vancouver. He would have becomed a Punjabi gangsta (after all he already likes whisky) and his profile would say things like 'pUnJaB 4 lyfee' or 'JATT 4 lyfe' (if indeed if was a jatt) and glamour shots of himself with a fade with his face all lined-up along with pictures of 2pac, Scarface, and Lamborginis and posting whatever the latest Bhangra remix he was listening to.</p> <p>Alas, he was raised in Montreal..</p> “Do a lot of young desi guys tend to sway white/Goth rather than white/skater-cum-surfer-dude or ghetto/hip-hop? What else is there for teen guys? Either way, do you end up feeling like a poser or wannabe? “

Well, this would have never happened if he grew up in Toronto or Vancouver. He would have becomed a Punjabi gangsta (after all he already likes whisky) and his profile would say things like ‘pUnJaB 4 lyfee’ or ‘JATT 4 lyfe’ (if indeed if was a jatt) and glamour shots of himself with a fade with his face all lined-up along with pictures of 2pac, Scarface, and Lamborginis and posting whatever the latest Bhangra remix he was listening to.

Alas, he was raised in Montreal..

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By: hairy_d http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87472 hairy_d Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:03:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87472 <blockquote>"My husband cried all night and said, "If I only knew! If I only knew,'" Kimveer Gill's mother, Parvinder Sandhu, said in an interview. </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1158357012736&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154">more info on kimveer</a></p> <blockquote>She gives some sketchy biographical information: the family arrived in Canada 20 years ago. She worked in a store but quit her job when she got breast cancer. Her husband doesn't work any more, but according to a family friend, he was once a professor at Toronto university; he does not say which one.</blockquote> <blockquote>"Tell everyone, it's really hard for the parents. It's the worst thing that can happen. We knew nothing.</blockquote> <blockquote>"It was a shock, our legs buckled, then they became as hard as rock," she said of hearing the news about her 25-year-old son from police.</blockquote> <blockquote>If she and her husband had had the slightest hint of what was going on, they would have intervened. "We would have built a wall in front of him to prevent him from doing that." And if her son had survived? "I would be very angry with him. I would insist they give him the maximum penalty. No one deserves what just happened. I feel terrible when I see the other parents suffering," she said.</blockquote> <p>they deserve our compassion. pray.</p> “My husband cried all night and said, “If I only knew! If I only knew,’” Kimveer Gill’s mother, Parvinder Sandhu, said in an interview.

more info on kimveer

She gives some sketchy biographical information: the family arrived in Canada 20 years ago. She worked in a store but quit her job when she got breast cancer. Her husband doesn’t work any more, but according to a family friend, he was once a professor at Toronto university; he does not say which one.
“Tell everyone, it’s really hard for the parents. It’s the worst thing that can happen. We knew nothing.
“It was a shock, our legs buckled, then they became as hard as rock,” she said of hearing the news about her 25-year-old son from police.
If she and her husband had had the slightest hint of what was going on, they would have intervened. “We would have built a wall in front of him to prevent him from doing that.” And if her son had survived? “I would be very angry with him. I would insist they give him the maximum penalty. No one deserves what just happened. I feel terrible when I see the other parents suffering,” she said.

they deserve our compassion. pray.

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By: time2kill http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87455 time2kill Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:55:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87455 <blockquote>I think if a dude enters a space with a hot chick on his arm, it's a DHV (demonstration of higher value) and leadership emerges from it. I think of it as a flat structure. If a dude is pulling chicks, he's not having any leadership issues - because the dudes that don't pull chicks will naturally look up to him. And a guy that leads people naturally will pull chicks easier, so thats what I mean by it's all linked.</blockquote> <p>Huh? Obviously are social circles are widely different.</p> <p>Ok, maybe when you are 15 years old. You really need to have not gotten laid in a long long time to suck up to someone cos they got a hot chick.</p> <p>My experience says many guys who command respect with their peers are quite often not a real hot sellout among the girls. IMO what impresses guys and what impresses girls is v v different.</p> I think if a dude enters a space with a hot chick on his arm, it’s a DHV (demonstration of higher value) and leadership emerges from it. I think of it as a flat structure. If a dude is pulling chicks, he’s not having any leadership issues – because the dudes that don’t pull chicks will naturally look up to him. And a guy that leads people naturally will pull chicks easier, so thats what I mean by it’s all linked.

Huh? Obviously are social circles are widely different.

Ok, maybe when you are 15 years old. You really need to have not gotten laid in a long long time to suck up to someone cos they got a hot chick.

My experience says many guys who command respect with their peers are quite often not a real hot sellout among the girls. IMO what impresses guys and what impresses girls is v v different.

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By: Rev Dore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87453 Rev Dore Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:38:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87453 <p>Gill was a poser. Neither goth nor satanic culture tolerates murder. Those of us who live alternative lifestyles which some people like to refer to as dark are just as pissed off, saddened and shocked at this man's actions as your god-fearing christian. Satanists uphold life as the greatest indulgence. I really dislike these silly online quizzes like the one that stated Gill's religion wud be that of a satanist. NO way in hell poser! As for blame, it is our belief that responsiblity goes to the one responsible, meaning not a site nor a vid game nor anything else can influence a normal mind and turn it into an obssesive mind bent of death and destruction. Gill lived at home with his parents. Did they not question his growing arsenal? Nope. They said since the weapons were legally obtained there was no cause for concern. HELLO! Your son is not balanced! I also witnessed the whole scene as I live directly across from the college. Goths here are great folk. And I know being a satanic reverend that the media loves sensationalism but honestly satanists do not condone senseless violence and abhore those who cannot survive the blows of life without taking others down with them. Gill was not goth, he was not satanic, he was sick sick sick. Period.</p> <p>Rev Stephania Dore and the PLHP</p> Gill was a poser. Neither goth nor satanic culture tolerates murder. Those of us who live alternative lifestyles which some people like to refer to as dark are just as pissed off, saddened and shocked at this man’s actions as your god-fearing christian. Satanists uphold life as the greatest indulgence. I really dislike these silly online quizzes like the one that stated Gill’s religion wud be that of a satanist. NO way in hell poser! As for blame, it is our belief that responsiblity goes to the one responsible, meaning not a site nor a vid game nor anything else can influence a normal mind and turn it into an obssesive mind bent of death and destruction. Gill lived at home with his parents. Did they not question his growing arsenal? Nope. They said since the weapons were legally obtained there was no cause for concern. HELLO! Your son is not balanced! I also witnessed the whole scene as I live directly across from the college. Goths here are great folk. And I know being a satanic reverend that the media loves sensationalism but honestly satanists do not condone senseless violence and abhore those who cannot survive the blows of life without taking others down with them. Gill was not goth, he was not satanic, he was sick sick sick. Period.

Rev Stephania Dore and the PLHP

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By: halwa puri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87400 halwa puri Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:30:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87400 <p>Ennis (from post 88): Who on earth is Bobby Jindal? I'm not familiar with this particular northern hemisphere controversy. In any case, this discussion reminds me of Hanif Kureishi's story about his uncle asking him if he was an atheist. When met with the affirmative, the uncle confirmed that he was one too. But a Muslim atheist. I found that pretty poignant, actually. I'm not too much into God myself, but I can put away some langgar any time. Even when I renounce God, I know which brand I'm renouncing. What you're born into ends up being the reference point: that's why I decided not to wear any Ks; I didn't decide not to wear a crucifix.</p> Ennis (from post 88): Who on earth is Bobby Jindal? I’m not familiar with this particular northern hemisphere controversy. In any case, this discussion reminds me of Hanif Kureishi’s story about his uncle asking him if he was an atheist. When met with the affirmative, the uncle confirmed that he was one too. But a Muslim atheist. I found that pretty poignant, actually. I’m not too much into God myself, but I can put away some langgar any time. Even when I renounce God, I know which brand I’m renouncing. What you’re born into ends up being the reference point: that’s why I decided not to wear any Ks; I didn’t decide not to wear a crucifix.

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By: Still dont buy it http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87364 Still dont buy it Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:28:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87364 <blockquote>Yeah, well...I actually know a once-billionaire (who also holds the record for most money lost in a single day), and while he's still far from poor (net worth around $80 million), he's single. Can he get laid? Sure. Does he have game? Not even a little bit. He's a jackass. The women who hook up with him know it, and make a conscious decision to ignore his boorishness. They benefit by being able to go to great parties, never having to pay for a drink, and generally getting to live a life they could otherwise not lead. He benefits by having an appearance he strives to cultivate. He fulfilled his fantasies, but now he's gotta live with reality: he's a single, fairly unhappy, arrogant bastard. No sane woman wants him. </blockquote> <p>I might point you to this: <a href = "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_ponens">click here</a> My point was, if someone is characterized as an alpha male, they have qualities X, Y, and Z which are inextricably linked, and supportive of each other. This of course does not necessarily imply that if someone exhibits quality X (having money) they necessarily have quality Y (long term likeability - which I would even argue is not a necessarily alpha male quality)</p> <blockquote>I really wouldn't characterize a guy as a potential leader because his girlfriend is hot, though. Sorry, man. I know plenty of guys who consider themselves "players" who cannot be trusted to tie their own shoes. They get more ass than you can shake a stick at, but they're fairly abyssmal excuses for human beings. I certainly wouldn't give them a job. I would hope you wouldn't, either. </blockquote> <p>Many leaders (for example, Steve Jobs) are abyssmal excuses for human beings.</p> Yeah, well…I actually know a once-billionaire (who also holds the record for most money lost in a single day), and while he’s still far from poor (net worth around $80 million), he’s single. Can he get laid? Sure. Does he have game? Not even a little bit. He’s a jackass. The women who hook up with him know it, and make a conscious decision to ignore his boorishness. They benefit by being able to go to great parties, never having to pay for a drink, and generally getting to live a life they could otherwise not lead. He benefits by having an appearance he strives to cultivate. He fulfilled his fantasies, but now he’s gotta live with reality: he’s a single, fairly unhappy, arrogant bastard. No sane woman wants him.

I might point you to this: click here My point was, if someone is characterized as an alpha male, they have qualities X, Y, and Z which are inextricably linked, and supportive of each other. This of course does not necessarily imply that if someone exhibits quality X (having money) they necessarily have quality Y (long term likeability – which I would even argue is not a necessarily alpha male quality)

I really wouldn’t characterize a guy as a potential leader because his girlfriend is hot, though. Sorry, man. I know plenty of guys who consider themselves “players” who cannot be trusted to tie their own shoes. They get more ass than you can shake a stick at, but they’re fairly abyssmal excuses for human beings. I certainly wouldn’t give them a job. I would hope you wouldn’t, either.

Many leaders (for example, Steve Jobs) are abyssmal excuses for human beings.

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By: Tony http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/14/montreal_slaugh/comment-page-3/#comment-87355 Tony Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:53:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3781#comment-87355 <blockquote>However, I doubt these same media outlets described Biswanath Halder as Hindu.</blockquote> <p>Ennis, fo' shizzle my nizzle. Indian journalism is a joke anyways, akin to tabloids in North America.</p> <p>Ikram: you said you were glad that he didn't have a muslim sounding name. Is this because you fear a backlash based on the actions of a person who is form another community, but may be mistaken for a Muslim? It's something Sikhs are all too used to... being mistaken for Muslim, and bearing the brunt of the backlash. I'm sorry man, but it bothers me that you feel a sense of relief that this guy will not be mistaken for Muslim. Even if he was, it woudl still be Sikhs that would be targeted, so you don't have much to worry about.</p> <p>And on the topic of a backlash, I have read comments on the vampirefreaks.com website that people are out Goth Bashing. This kind of backlash stuff makes me sad. I had some friends who were into goth in high school... nice people they were.</p> However, I doubt these same media outlets described Biswanath Halder as Hindu.

Ennis, fo’ shizzle my nizzle. Indian journalism is a joke anyways, akin to tabloids in North America.

Ikram: you said you were glad that he didn’t have a muslim sounding name. Is this because you fear a backlash based on the actions of a person who is form another community, but may be mistaken for a Muslim? It’s something Sikhs are all too used to… being mistaken for Muslim, and bearing the brunt of the backlash. I’m sorry man, but it bothers me that you feel a sense of relief that this guy will not be mistaken for Muslim. Even if he was, it woudl still be Sikhs that would be targeted, so you don’t have much to worry about.

And on the topic of a backlash, I have read comments on the vampirefreaks.com website that people are out Goth Bashing. This kind of backlash stuff makes me sad. I had some friends who were into goth in high school… nice people they were.

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