Comments on: Background on Malegaon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: mushtaque http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-86002 mushtaque Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:19:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-86002 <p>Hello all of you guy's,</p> <p>Well, it really make me feel good that a lots of people still are against violence by any means, well, I believe there is something wrong with our security establishment, they are to Islamic centric. Their way of working is almost 150 year old (practically), they are still to authorative in character and practice. Well before independence we were enslaved in police state, their are enumerable instance of police firing indiscriminately on Indian Masses, practically they were not answerable to any one (except Englishmen), there are instances of police firing on peacefully protesting mass, peasant, tribal..... List will include whole of country. The most dreaded evil of British India was their economic policy. It was complete loot, focused on keeping India in poorest state (regretting for repeating history). Now my Question is, how much we have changed our police after independence? They are still almost same, they still fire on peacefully protesting mass, in particular against Muslim community, as happened in Malegaon in 2001 highlighted by Sidharth, Police were particularly biased on Gujrat , in some instance they were involve in inciting mob to violence, if you pay a brief look at the riots after independence, it will become clear that it start with small pity issues like, molestation, pig fight and anything and end up with police firing on innocent Muslim youth and children alike, why it is always that when police fire on Muslims it fire above waist ? Do any one believe that it fire for dispersing mob? Can a stone-pelting mob is such threat to professionally trained police that they fire on youth, child and women alike? We need to curb the power of police; they are negating the sprite, for which our forefatherÂ’s have fought for Independence from Raj.</p> <p>As highlighted after blast there is lack of basic facility, like Hospital, water, sanitation, community play ground, Community Park, Schools, colleges in every city and state of India where there is a concentration of Muslim population. Our leaders have pretty excuse and non-committed promise, what is difference between Raj exploitation and ignorance of Indian masses and independent IndiaÂ’s neglect and falls promise of national and state leaders. Do we not feel ashamed when we say that Muslim masses are more inclined toward terrorism? We do not open engineering colleges, hospitals in Muslim concentrated areas, MuslimÂ’s are still medieval ages, as per scientific and modern education is concerned, how can we expect them to behave in modern way?</p> <p>These are some basic question we need to answer to ourselves. British Inda was their economic policy</p> Hello all of you guy’s,

Well, it really make me feel good that a lots of people still are against violence by any means, well, I believe there is something wrong with our security establishment, they are to Islamic centric. Their way of working is almost 150 year old (practically), they are still to authorative in character and practice. Well before independence we were enslaved in police state, their are enumerable instance of police firing indiscriminately on Indian Masses, practically they were not answerable to any one (except Englishmen), there are instances of police firing on peacefully protesting mass, peasant, tribal….. List will include whole of country. The most dreaded evil of British India was their economic policy. It was complete loot, focused on keeping India in poorest state (regretting for repeating history). Now my Question is, how much we have changed our police after independence? They are still almost same, they still fire on peacefully protesting mass, in particular against Muslim community, as happened in Malegaon in 2001 highlighted by Sidharth, Police were particularly biased on Gujrat , in some instance they were involve in inciting mob to violence, if you pay a brief look at the riots after independence, it will become clear that it start with small pity issues like, molestation, pig fight and anything and end up with police firing on innocent Muslim youth and children alike, why it is always that when police fire on Muslims it fire above waist ? Do any one believe that it fire for dispersing mob? Can a stone-pelting mob is such threat to professionally trained police that they fire on youth, child and women alike? We need to curb the power of police; they are negating the sprite, for which our forefatherÂ’s have fought for Independence from Raj.

As highlighted after blast there is lack of basic facility, like Hospital, water, sanitation, community play ground, Community Park, Schools, colleges in every city and state of India where there is a concentration of Muslim population. Our leaders have pretty excuse and non-committed promise, what is difference between Raj exploitation and ignorance of Indian masses and independent IndiaÂ’s neglect and falls promise of national and state leaders. Do we not feel ashamed when we say that Muslim masses are more inclined toward terrorism? We do not open engineering colleges, hospitals in Muslim concentrated areas, MuslimÂ’s are still medieval ages, as per scientific and modern education is concerned, how can we expect them to behave in modern way?

These are some basic question we need to answer to ourselves. British Inda was their economic policy

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By: pied piper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85962 pied piper Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:09:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85962 <p>razib --</p> <blockquote>brown should not kill brown.</blockquote> <p>sincere question: does that rule apply <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003752.html">here</a> for you as well?</p> razib –

brown should not kill brown.

sincere question: does that rule apply here for you as well?

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By: senaX http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85754 senaX Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:30:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85754 <p>want some more bakcground on malegaon?</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5330832.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5330832.stm</a></p> want some more bakcground on malegaon?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5330832.stm

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By: DocD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85737 DocD Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:29:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85737 <p>As a secular Muslim guy married to a Hindu woman I feel this stuff pretty deep. I got married in 93 in da UK at the height of the riots in Mumbai. Da subsequent images of the atrocities in Gujrat and the complicity of the state (Modi & co)and the Indian government shocked me at the time. I have family both in India and Pakistan (and have visited both in the last six months) and it disturbs how fickle our communities can be even when they have lived side by side for generations. Sadily there are communalists on both sides who are fanning this anger and this leads to the kind of events that we are seeing now. What I find interesting is that how many of us associate with other South Asians/Desis from other religions? I grew up with Guji's, Tamils and Bangladeshi kids in da eighties and we were all one but nowadays I don't see this much with da generations coming thru.</p> As a secular Muslim guy married to a Hindu woman I feel this stuff pretty deep. I got married in 93 in da UK at the height of the riots in Mumbai. Da subsequent images of the atrocities in Gujrat and the complicity of the state (Modi & co)and the Indian government shocked me at the time. I have family both in India and Pakistan (and have visited both in the last six months) and it disturbs how fickle our communities can be even when they have lived side by side for generations. Sadily there are communalists on both sides who are fanning this anger and this leads to the kind of events that we are seeing now. What I find interesting is that how many of us associate with other South Asians/Desis from other religions? I grew up with Guji’s, Tamils and Bangladeshi kids in da eighties and we were all one but nowadays I don’t see this much with da generations coming thru.

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By: Neon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85714 Neon Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:37:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85714 <p>Razib, it's time to create another state for Muslims if they cannot live in peace among the Hindu majority, don't you think?</p> Razib, it’s time to create another state for Muslims if they cannot live in peace among the Hindu majority, don’t you think?

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By: razib_the_iconoclast http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85709 razib_the_iconoclast Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:03:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85709 <p>brown should not kill brown.</p> brown should not kill brown.

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By: Jatin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85704 Jatin Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:44:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85704 <p>Killing innocent people is evil, bad, criminal, the adjectives can go on. These people targetted the mosque and the burial grounds on a sacred day of prayer to incite hatred. This comes not more than a month after the Mumbai bombings, they are really testing India's patience. But, until the politicians in India become direct targets themselves, they will just condemn such attacks, but won't take any solid action.</p> Killing innocent people is evil, bad, criminal, the adjectives can go on. These people targetted the mosque and the burial grounds on a sacred day of prayer to incite hatred. This comes not more than a month after the Mumbai bombings, they are really testing India’s patience. But, until the politicians in India become direct targets themselves, they will just condemn such attacks, but won’t take any solid action.

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By: Wolf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85677 Wolf Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:40:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85677 <p>"Evil" is a word used when one is intellectually lazy. Once your brand something as "evil" you no longer have to think about it or make any sense of it. You can just hate it, fear it, or lash out at it.</p> “Evil” is a word used when one is intellectually lazy. Once your brand something as “evil” you no longer have to think about it or make any sense of it. You can just hate it, fear it, or lash out at it.

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By: Venu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85674 Venu Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:28:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85674 <blockquote>AMFD: I dont agree with your usage of evil-doers. It conforms to and gives credence to biblical notions of good and evil.</blockquote> <p>I don't know if I understood you correctly, but do you mean to say killing a bunch of people is not evil, depending on the reason? Like, the ends justify the means?</p> <p>For me, there are some acts that can be called evil ojectively. And killing people is one of them.</p> <p>Venu</p> AMFD: I dont agree with your usage of evil-doers. It conforms to and gives credence to biblical notions of good and evil.

I don’t know if I understood you correctly, but do you mean to say killing a bunch of people is not evil, depending on the reason? Like, the ends justify the means?

For me, there are some acts that can be called evil ojectively. And killing people is one of them.

Venu

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By: Kritic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/08/background_on_m/comment-page-1/#comment-85639 Kritic Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:23:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3765#comment-85639 <p>Hey, hey....slow down for a second. I never said that I would do anything. Please don't spin my words. I was claiming that I would hurl abuse at the "evildoers" - as in venting. and nothing more. something like calling them - motherf#$%&, sisterf<em>&^%, auntf</em>&%^, granmaF%$%% and so on. That too, half in jest.</p> Hey, hey….slow down for a second. I never said that I would do anything. Please don’t spin my words. I was claiming that I would hurl abuse at the “evildoers” – as in venting. and nothing more. something like calling them – motherf#$%&, sisterf&^%, auntf&%^, granmaF%$%% and so on. That too, half in jest.

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