Comments on: Conversions http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-86337 Beige Sage Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:03:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-86337 <p>The major reason why ISKCON is such a proselytizing religion is because it's founder, Prahbupada, a home-grown Bengali, emphasized assertive outreach over contemplation/meditation. He wanted the knowledge spread as fast as possible, as far as possible, all around the world.</p> The major reason why ISKCON is such a proselytizing religion is because it’s founder, Prahbupada, a home-grown Bengali, emphasized assertive outreach over contemplation/meditation. He wanted the knowledge spread as fast as possible, as far as possible, all around the world.

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By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-86323 Beige Sage Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:47:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-86323 <p>Then you need to do some research on Gaudiya Math, the tradition from whence ISKCON sprang. Gaudiya Math itself sprang from the Gaudiya Sampradaya.</p> <p>It has it's claim as a "vedic religion" due to it's referencing of the Veda and Vedic supplementary texts like the upanishads, although there is a heavy tantrik influence there too, and reference to various Tantras.</p> <p>It is true though that ISKCON did take on a very heavy kind of "cultish" vibe in it's transplation (is that a word) from the East to West.</p> <p>I would never recommend ISKCON as anything more than a very basic doorway into the greater world of Gaudiya Vaishnavism.</p> Then you need to do some research on Gaudiya Math, the tradition from whence ISKCON sprang. Gaudiya Math itself sprang from the Gaudiya Sampradaya.

It has it’s claim as a “vedic religion” due to it’s referencing of the Veda and Vedic supplementary texts like the upanishads, although there is a heavy tantrik influence there too, and reference to various Tantras.

It is true though that ISKCON did take on a very heavy kind of “cultish” vibe in it’s transplation (is that a word) from the East to West.

I would never recommend ISKCON as anything more than a very basic doorway into the greater world of Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-86311 razib_the_atheist Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:36:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-86311 <p><i>It's a Western idea, that you have to "conquer" or "Save" somone so they believe the same thing as yourself.</i></p> <p>which is exactly why that white king ashoka sent out missionaries to the ends of the earth and buddhism became the first transcivilizational religion! it is the demon souls of the white devils.</p> It’s a Western idea, that you have to “conquer” or “Save” somone so they believe the same thing as yourself.

which is exactly why that white king ashoka sent out missionaries to the ends of the earth and buddhism became the first transcivilizational religion! it is the demon souls of the white devils.

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By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-86309 Beige Sage Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:32:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-86309 <p>In ISKCON (hare krishnas), everyone is out there "preaching", including Indians, quite aggressively. All around the world.</p> In ISKCON (hare krishnas), everyone is out there “preaching”, including Indians, quite aggressively. All around the world.

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By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-86294 Beige Sage Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:21:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-86294 <p>Many of the same complaints that Hindus in India have regarding non-Hindu religions' preaching, converting and recruiting methods, have been made in the West regarding Hindu sects' preaching, converting and recruiting methods of previously Abrahamic religion based youth.</p> Many of the same complaints that Hindus in India have regarding non-Hindu religions’ preaching, converting and recruiting methods, have been made in the West regarding Hindu sects’ preaching, converting and recruiting methods of previously Abrahamic religion based youth.

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By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-85557 Beige Sage Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:51:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-85557 <p>I think the important thing for people to know is that Hinduism has it's own cures for these things and one does not have to run to an Abrahamic religion in order to be relieved of discrimination.</p> I think the important thing for people to know is that Hinduism has it’s own cures for these things and one does not have to run to an Abrahamic religion in order to be relieved of discrimination.

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By: desitude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-85554 desitude Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:49:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-85554 <p>The area I reside in is pretty orthodox though. Maybe it is there but I'm just not seeing it.</p> <p><i>There is a custom where priests who are on their way to mandir to perform puja will not touch ANYBODY, not even anybody's shadow. It's coz they have just thoroughly bathed and cleansed themselves for Vigraha seva and they don't want to chance getting dirty (impure) again otherwise they will have to go back and bathe again. </i></p> <p>I think thats fine, that applies to everyone. Its singling a group out for things like that which is contemptible.</p> The area I reside in is pretty orthodox though. Maybe it is there but I’m just not seeing it.

There is a custom where priests who are on their way to mandir to perform puja will not touch ANYBODY, not even anybody’s shadow. It’s coz they have just thoroughly bathed and cleansed themselves for Vigraha seva and they don’t want to chance getting dirty (impure) again otherwise they will have to go back and bathe again.

I think thats fine, that applies to everyone. Its singling a group out for things like that which is contemptible.

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By: Beige Sage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-85547 Beige Sage Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:42:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-85547 <p>The area I reside in is pretty orthodox though. Maybe it is there but I'm just not seeing it.</p> <p>There is a custom where priests who are on their way to mandir to perform puja will not touch ANYBODY, not even anybody's shadow. It's coz they have just thoroughly bathed and cleansed themselves for Vigraha seva and they don't want to chance getting dirty (impure) again otherwise they will have to go back and bathe again.</p> The area I reside in is pretty orthodox though. Maybe it is there but I’m just not seeing it.

There is a custom where priests who are on their way to mandir to perform puja will not touch ANYBODY, not even anybody’s shadow. It’s coz they have just thoroughly bathed and cleansed themselves for Vigraha seva and they don’t want to chance getting dirty (impure) again otherwise they will have to go back and bathe again.

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By: desitude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-85537 desitude Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:25:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-85537 <p><i>I guess it would apply only in uncrowded places.</i></p> <p>Yeah in the hinterland mainly. In the cities you can pretty much be whoever you want to be, which is why Ambedkar said "head to the cities."</p> I guess it would apply only in uncrowded places.

Yeah in the hinterland mainly. In the cities you can pretty much be whoever you want to be, which is why Ambedkar said “head to the cities.”

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By: desitude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/09/01/conversions/comment-page-4/#comment-85535 desitude Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:22:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3745#comment-85535 <p><a href="http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/s_es/s_es_vanit_left_frameset.htm">Whatever Happened to the Hindu Left?</a></p> <p>Here's an interesting article for all, written by the only woman I know who identifies as Hindu AND Christian :-)</p> Whatever Happened to the Hindu Left?

Here’s an interesting article for all, written by the only woman I know who identifies as Hindu AND Christian :-)

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