Comments on: The Misogyny Of Chaos http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83550 HMF Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:32:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83550 <p>Wait. does that mean she's banned again? Just a little confused.</p> Wait. does that mean she’s banned again? Just a little confused.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83514 Abhi Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:12:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83514 <p>I've got to step in here. I (and Manish) banned PG a year ago for this type of idiotic behavior and she STILL doesn't get it! I've been sitting back, trying to be patient but I just can't do it. She is on a one-woman crusade to over-generalize Indian men and Indian culture. I'm not sure what happened to set you down this path and I frankly no longer care but for the good of my sanity (and this blog) please stop with the nonsense.</p> I’ve got to step in here. I (and Manish) banned PG a year ago for this type of idiotic behavior and she STILL doesn’t get it! I’ve been sitting back, trying to be patient but I just can’t do it. She is on a one-woman crusade to over-generalize Indian men and Indian culture. I’m not sure what happened to set you down this path and I frankly no longer care but for the good of my sanity (and this blog) please stop with the nonsense.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83510 HMF Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:05:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83510 <p>And all I have to say is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxuuX8WFUfQ">"WTWWA"</a></p> And all I have to say is “WTWWA”

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83490 Pardesi Gori Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:23:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83490 <p>All I have to say is "WOW".</p> All I have to say is “WOW”.

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83488 Al Mujahid for debauchery Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:16:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83488 <p><i>I'm waiting for another thinly veiled racist rant from Pardesi Gori camoflaged as feminist rhetoric</i></p> <p>I agree with the sentiment. Well said!</p> I’m waiting for another thinly veiled racist rant from Pardesi Gori camoflaged as feminist rhetoric

I agree with the sentiment. Well said!

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83479 HMF Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:41:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83479 <p>The only people who do that, are those who feel they have nothing or little to lose, And men in general have larger amygdalas, the reptilian/involuntary controlling of the brain, and visual cortexes as well. These factors coupled with mental states of dispair, helplessness, and anger is my guess as a root cause. None of which is exclusive to India. <b> Let me be clear however </b> I do not condone it, or feel it justifiable in any form, but the tone of PG's post implies that it's disproportionate in Indian men. I'm not sure what these nefarious Indian conditions are that PG is referring to, maybe she can elaborate further on it.</p> The only people who do that, are those who feel they have nothing or little to lose, And men in general have larger amygdalas, the reptilian/involuntary controlling of the brain, and visual cortexes as well. These factors coupled with mental states of dispair, helplessness, and anger is my guess as a root cause. None of which is exclusive to India. Let me be clear however I do not condone it, or feel it justifiable in any form, but the tone of PG’s post implies that it’s disproportionate in Indian men. I’m not sure what these nefarious Indian conditions are that PG is referring to, maybe she can elaborate further on it.

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By: Pardesi Gori http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83444 Pardesi Gori Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:52:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83444 <p>Manjula -</p> <p>I just read that Train to Chennai link you provided and how many times have I experienced exactly the same thing on North Indian transporation! Countless times. It is abuse, plain and simple. And the funny thing is, all the confusion and conflicting emotions that Hemangini expressed are common amongst all us women who bear this type of abuse frequently. The problem in India is that the transportation like busses or tempos are often so crowded that when hands are on you, you really don't know who they belong to, so you cannot slap anyone without possibly slapping the wrong man. And the abuse also is meted out in a very tricky way, such as an "accidental" brush against the breasts, where you really can't tell if it was on purpose or not. Just like Hemangini was first thinking. And then there's the classic pinch or rub on the left buttock by a man walking behind you and to the right. So first reaction is to look left and think it's somebody on your left side, while "Mr. Right" walks briskly by. Uggggggggh!!!! It's exasperating. Read any Indian travel guide. They all have a warning to women about this.</p> <p>When reading Hemangini's account of her experience and all the, "madam you will ruin my life," and "madam, rethink this, you will ruin his life" pleas, all I could think was his life NEEDS to be ruined!!! It's called KARMA PHAL, the just deserts of one's actions. And the funny thing is - the guy was travelling to take his RAILWAY EXAM. Imagine if he ended up working for the railways what kind of havoc he could wreck on all the women travellers as he roams from carriage to carriage in the wee hours of the night?!?! Perhaps now he will think twice before attempting rape.</p> <p>If all Indian women and non-Indian women travelling in India stood up for themselves like Hemangini did in similar situations, perhaps India really could be "shining".</p> <p>Maitri -</p> <p>Regarding the above quoted, "Apparently in situations where men feel powerless, they often empower themselves by stealing whatever little power the only people who are always less powerful than them, women, possess."</p> <p>My question is, do the conditions of India cause (alot of) it's men to behave like this? There is a percentage that do not behave like this, even facing the very same conditions.</p> Manjula -

I just read that Train to Chennai link you provided and how many times have I experienced exactly the same thing on North Indian transporation! Countless times. It is abuse, plain and simple. And the funny thing is, all the confusion and conflicting emotions that Hemangini expressed are common amongst all us women who bear this type of abuse frequently. The problem in India is that the transportation like busses or tempos are often so crowded that when hands are on you, you really don’t know who they belong to, so you cannot slap anyone without possibly slapping the wrong man. And the abuse also is meted out in a very tricky way, such as an “accidental” brush against the breasts, where you really can’t tell if it was on purpose or not. Just like Hemangini was first thinking. And then there’s the classic pinch or rub on the left buttock by a man walking behind you and to the right. So first reaction is to look left and think it’s somebody on your left side, while “Mr. Right” walks briskly by. Uggggggggh!!!! It’s exasperating. Read any Indian travel guide. They all have a warning to women about this.

When reading Hemangini’s account of her experience and all the, “madam you will ruin my life,” and “madam, rethink this, you will ruin his life” pleas, all I could think was his life NEEDS to be ruined!!! It’s called KARMA PHAL, the just deserts of one’s actions. And the funny thing is – the guy was travelling to take his RAILWAY EXAM. Imagine if he ended up working for the railways what kind of havoc he could wreck on all the women travellers as he roams from carriage to carriage in the wee hours of the night?!?! Perhaps now he will think twice before attempting rape.

If all Indian women and non-Indian women travelling in India stood up for themselves like Hemangini did in similar situations, perhaps India really could be “shining”.

Maitri -

Regarding the above quoted, “Apparently in situations where men feel powerless, they often empower themselves by stealing whatever little power the only people who are always less powerful than them, women, possess.”

My question is, do the conditions of India cause (alot of) it’s men to behave like this? There is a percentage that do not behave like this, even facing the very same conditions.

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By: 输送机 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83310 输送机 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:57:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83310 <p><a href="http://www.nf-wl.com">输送机</a></p> 输送机

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By: Maitri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-83239 Maitri Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:59:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-83239 <blockquote>I see this not as part of a "natural" increase in crime post calamity, but as neglect of women in times of crisis (there's a difference).</blockquote> <p>spiral-city, that's exactly how I see it, too.</p> <blockquote>Even if we take it as fact that women and children need more protection during chaos, more than who? Leave the men who are being murdered(drowning in Katrina) in chaotic situations and give priority to protecting women?</blockquote> <p>Again, I do not advocate that men are not saved or paid attention to during times of crisis. However, in shitty times, women have it shittier, and not because they are inherently weaker, but because they don't have the things that normally defend them namely secure shelter, a working police force and a criminal justice system.</p> <p>At least, put "the protection of women and children" on the priority list or make them an equal priority.</p> <blockquote>Apparently in situations where men feel powerless, they often empower themselves by stealing whatever little power the only people who are always less powerful than them, women, possess.</blockquote> <p>During the evacuation and flood in New Orleans, many of the drug-addicted lost their supplies and suppliers rendering them menacing than usual. In this time, <i>disenfranchised</i> men physically and sexually assaulted <i>disenfranchised</i> women and children. It was their power, their release, the only thing they could have, and they grabbed.</p> <p>Education of women is key, too. Our public school system has historically stunk as badly as the bathrooms these poor children have had to use. When poorer black women are pregnant by 15 and Welfare Queen is an occupation, self-esteem is in the pits and it only gets worse during Katrina-like crises.</p> I see this not as part of a “natural” increase in crime post calamity, but as neglect of women in times of crisis (there’s a difference).

spiral-city, that’s exactly how I see it, too.

Even if we take it as fact that women and children need more protection during chaos, more than who? Leave the men who are being murdered(drowning in Katrina) in chaotic situations and give priority to protecting women?

Again, I do not advocate that men are not saved or paid attention to during times of crisis. However, in shitty times, women have it shittier, and not because they are inherently weaker, but because they don’t have the things that normally defend them namely secure shelter, a working police force and a criminal justice system.

At least, put “the protection of women and children” on the priority list or make them an equal priority.

Apparently in situations where men feel powerless, they often empower themselves by stealing whatever little power the only people who are always less powerful than them, women, possess.

During the evacuation and flood in New Orleans, many of the drug-addicted lost their supplies and suppliers rendering them menacing than usual. In this time, disenfranchised men physically and sexually assaulted disenfranchised women and children. It was their power, their release, the only thing they could have, and they grabbed.

Education of women is key, too. Our public school system has historically stunk as badly as the bathrooms these poor children have had to use. When poorer black women are pregnant by 15 and Welfare Queen is an occupation, self-esteem is in the pits and it only gets worse during Katrina-like crises.

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/25/the_misogyny_of/comment-page-1/#comment-82971 Jai Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:49:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3728#comment-82971 <p><b>ANNA,</b></p> <blockquote>We are terribly fair (except for those of us with tans). </blockquote> <p><em>Rolls eyes</em> ;)</p> <blockquote>Please try and remember that as we moderate these threads, we are looking at a much bigger picture than some of you are, </blockquote> <p>I'm glad someone is. Based on extensive past experience, I have complete faith in you and have no doubt that my trust is well-founded.</p> <p>I wish you blogged on SM as much as you used to. Your presence here has been sorely missed.</p> ANNA,

We are terribly fair (except for those of us with tans).

Rolls eyes ;)

Please try and remember that as we moderate these threads, we are looking at a much bigger picture than some of you are,

I’m glad someone is. Based on extensive past experience, I have complete faith in you and have no doubt that my trust is well-founded.

I wish you blogged on SM as much as you used to. Your presence here has been sorely missed.

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