Comments on: Let’s Have a (Race) War! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: isa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-194576 isa Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:27:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-194576 <p>oh and here"</p> <blockquote>And besides, as an Indian, I find more in common with a Korean or Chinese person because alot of our traditions and old values are similar, i.e. marriage, education, home life, parental strictness, etc</blockquote> <p>I agree completely and consider this across the board for all of asia.</p> <p>we have <i>alot</i> of similarities - and that's something that ignorance works to destroy. A united asian front would be the start of a new age away from eurocentricism and alot of ppl who maintain this structure wouldn't want that to happen.</p> oh and here”

And besides, as an Indian, I find more in common with a Korean or Chinese person because alot of our traditions and old values are similar, i.e. marriage, education, home life, parental strictness, etc

I agree completely and consider this across the board for all of asia.

we have alot of similarities – and that’s something that ignorance works to destroy. A united asian front would be the start of a new age away from eurocentricism and alot of ppl who maintain this structure wouldn’t want that to happen.

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By: isa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-194575 isa Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:24:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-194575 <p>(speaking as an afghan) .... Mira,</p> <p>Of course some ppl (everywhere) are racist assholes, but like someone said above, if ppl haven't each reached the basic comprehension of 2nd geography - but how can you forget ignorance?</p> <p>if you forget it, then that's only going to lead to the spread of more ignorant assumptions. & its the frustration of those "others" mistaken classified - that leads to a shortness of temper and an inability to correct politely - because if you're proud of who you are, you want others (esp your friends, classmates, co-workers, etc) to get it right.</p> (speaking as an afghan) …. Mira,

Of course some ppl (everywhere) are racist assholes, but like someone said above, if ppl haven’t each reached the basic comprehension of 2nd geography – but how can you forget ignorance?

if you forget it, then that’s only going to lead to the spread of more ignorant assumptions. & its the frustration of those “others” mistaken classified – that leads to a shortness of temper and an inability to correct politely – because if you’re proud of who you are, you want others (esp your friends, classmates, co-workers, etc) to get it right.

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By: Mira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-99054 Mira Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:20:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-99054 <p><b>LOL, WeeWee! I agree with RS Khan, Turd, superbrown, & WeeWee. RS Khan, regarding your comment against Turd... Turd said that because some people don't take lightly these mere "facts" of what is basically RACISM or ethnocentrism. There are black men who love light, non-black women. So what! It's basically stupid to be discussing this ridiculousness. We KNOW there are Asians who don't like other Asians. That is why Asians try to find solidarity with all kinds of different Asians. This ethnocentrism happens everywhere. In Europe. In North Asia. In South America and so forth! My boyfriend's white and he thinks all Indians and Middle Easterners look alike. And you know what my response was? "You're right!" Because you know what, it's foolish to be "distinguishing" the "differences" based on ethnic identity. It's interesting to learn about the history of our ethnic differences but I believe alot of that history is misconstrued. And besides, as an Indian, I find more in common with a Korean or Chinese person because alot of our traditions and old values are similar, i.e. marriage, education, home life, parental strictness, etc. I can tell you, middle easterners are always striking up a conversation with me and keep telling me that I don't look Indian because of my white looking facial features and fair skin. I've gotten marriage proposals from Isreali Jewish men. I mean this "disdain" can be forgotten. It's really hidden. But really it can be forgotten.</b></p> LOL, WeeWee! I agree with RS Khan, Turd, superbrown, & WeeWee. RS Khan, regarding your comment against Turd… Turd said that because some people don’t take lightly these mere “facts” of what is basically RACISM or ethnocentrism. There are black men who love light, non-black women. So what! It’s basically stupid to be discussing this ridiculousness. We KNOW there are Asians who don’t like other Asians. That is why Asians try to find solidarity with all kinds of different Asians. This ethnocentrism happens everywhere. In Europe. In North Asia. In South America and so forth! My boyfriend’s white and he thinks all Indians and Middle Easterners look alike. And you know what my response was? “You’re right!” Because you know what, it’s foolish to be “distinguishing” the “differences” based on ethnic identity. It’s interesting to learn about the history of our ethnic differences but I believe alot of that history is misconstrued. And besides, as an Indian, I find more in common with a Korean or Chinese person because alot of our traditions and old values are similar, i.e. marriage, education, home life, parental strictness, etc. I can tell you, middle easterners are always striking up a conversation with me and keep telling me that I don’t look Indian because of my white looking facial features and fair skin. I’ve gotten marriage proposals from Isreali Jewish men. I mean this “disdain” can be forgotten. It’s really hidden. But really it can be forgotten.

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By: Weewee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-82638 Weewee Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:36:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-82638 <p>I hate being lumped in with all the other humans. I think I'm a higher life form. Geez, get over yourselves. You all sound like a bunch of idiots. This is why some parts of the world are so shitty.</p> I hate being lumped in with all the other humans. I think I’m a higher life form. Geez, get over yourselves. You all sound like a bunch of idiots. This is why some parts of the world are so shitty.

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By: superbrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-82589 superbrown Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:12:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-82589 <blockquote> Afghans (Pashtuns, Aimaqs, Hazars, Farsiwans, etc) also do not appreciate being lumped together with south Asians (or Arabs), for some reason. An Afghan would not take being mistaken for a Desi/Pakistani very lightly. Trust me. I have even detected some disdain among Afghans when they speak of India. And it's true, most Afghans don't look much people in the Punjab. </blockquote> <p>lol. Look at some of the older threads on Sepiamutiny, most Indians don't like being lumped in with other South Asians, and Pakistanis think they are a part of Central Asia, and Bangladeshi Khans think they are Pashtuns. Hindus, Sikh and Christian desis really hate being mistaken for Arab, Central Asian or Muslim, particularly when boarding airplanes. Telegus hate being lumped in with Tamils. Punjabi Khatris hate being lumped in with other Punjabis.</p> Afghans (Pashtuns, Aimaqs, Hazars, Farsiwans, etc) also do not appreciate being lumped together with south Asians (or Arabs), for some reason. An Afghan would not take being mistaken for a Desi/Pakistani very lightly. Trust me. I have even detected some disdain among Afghans when they speak of India. And it’s true, most Afghans don’t look much people in the Punjab.

lol. Look at some of the older threads on Sepiamutiny, most Indians don’t like being lumped in with other South Asians, and Pakistanis think they are a part of Central Asia, and Bangladeshi Khans think they are Pashtuns. Hindus, Sikh and Christian desis really hate being mistaken for Arab, Central Asian or Muslim, particularly when boarding airplanes. Telegus hate being lumped in with Tamils. Punjabi Khatris hate being lumped in with other Punjabis.

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-82197 razib_the_atheist Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:15:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-82197 <p><i>Arguably, there are just as many differences among East Asians as there are between these two large groups. </i></p> <p>i agree with your general point, but anyone arguing this point is really r*tarded :)</p> Arguably, there are just as many differences among East Asians as there are between these two large groups.

i agree with your general point, but anyone arguing this point is really r*tarded :)

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By: Rukku http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-82195 Rukku Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:02:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-82195 <p>As someone who is also involved in Asian American activism, I find it particularly annoying that people don't include South Asians with Asian Americans. I have had people tell me that India is not a part of Asia - umm, can we go back to 2nd grade geography for a moment here?</p> <p>I fully understand that there are differences between the largely defined groups of East Asians and South Asians - but what group defined by an outside authority DOES make sense? Arguably, there are just as many differences among East Asians as there are between these two large groups. The point is, there are huge similarities (immigration patterns, family situations, cultural values), enough so that it would be to South Asian Americans' benefit to ally themselves with other Asian Americans.</p> <p>I know that many people in the South Asian community are reluctant to see a connection to other Asian Americans (especially among the earlier/older generations), but I see that as a non-progressive way of looking at things. We are a very very small minority in this country, and it's the sheer truth that there is strength in numbers.</p> As someone who is also involved in Asian American activism, I find it particularly annoying that people don’t include South Asians with Asian Americans. I have had people tell me that India is not a part of Asia – umm, can we go back to 2nd grade geography for a moment here?

I fully understand that there are differences between the largely defined groups of East Asians and South Asians – but what group defined by an outside authority DOES make sense? Arguably, there are just as many differences among East Asians as there are between these two large groups. The point is, there are huge similarities (immigration patterns, family situations, cultural values), enough so that it would be to South Asian Americans’ benefit to ally themselves with other Asian Americans.

I know that many people in the South Asian community are reluctant to see a connection to other Asian Americans (especially among the earlier/older generations), but I see that as a non-progressive way of looking at things. We are a very very small minority in this country, and it’s the sheer truth that there is strength in numbers.

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By: Ikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-81955 Ikram Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:41:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-81955 <p>In the US, don't you choose your own racial classification for official purposes. (Unlike in South Africa, where the gvt decided your race using 'straightness of hair' etc). Why not just call yourself 'other'.</p> <p>(Question: In the UK, Asian means Desi, and Chinese aren't Asian. In the US, its the opposite. What about Australia, Canada, NZ? France?)</p> <p>Afghanistan joined SAARC a few years ago, and want to be part of the SAARC free trade zone. Apparently, Indian-educated Karzai thinks he's South Asian. And the masses of Afghan refugees in Karachi (some living in the gutters!) seem to function just fine in a South Asian environment.</p> In the US, don’t you choose your own racial classification for official purposes. (Unlike in South Africa, where the gvt decided your race using ‘straightness of hair’ etc). Why not just call yourself ‘other’.

(Question: In the UK, Asian means Desi, and Chinese aren’t Asian. In the US, its the opposite. What about Australia, Canada, NZ? France?)

Afghanistan joined SAARC a few years ago, and want to be part of the SAARC free trade zone. Apparently, Indian-educated Karzai thinks he’s South Asian. And the masses of Afghan refugees in Karachi (some living in the gutters!) seem to function just fine in a South Asian environment.

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By: tamasha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/08/24/lets_have_a_rac/comment-page-2/#comment-81919 tamasha Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:55:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3726#comment-81919 <blockquote>Mark Asian American.</blockquote> <p>I just checked out the <a href="http://www.commonapp.org/">Common Application</a>, which most American high school seniors use to apply to college (which I realize affects how people want to present themselves), and the choices are as follows: (1)African American, African, Black; (2)Native American, Alaskan Native; (3)Asian American (list countries); (4)Asian including Indian Subcontinent (list countries); (5)Hispanic, Latino (list countries); (6)Mexican American, Chicano; (7)Puerto Rican; (8)White or Caucasian; (9)Other.</p> <p>It's pretty interesting that African American and African are in the same category, but Asian American and Asian are not. Also, there is no way to figure out how this is defined. If I were an ethnic-Indian whose grandparents lived in Kenya and whose parents were born and raised in Kenya, and I was born and raised in America, what does that make me? Asian American? African American?</p> <blockquote>Don't worry, I'll blog about my research when it's done next month- you'll see...</blockquote> <p>Please do! Clearly, I would be quite interested.</p> Mark Asian American.

I just checked out the Common Application, which most American high school seniors use to apply to college (which I realize affects how people want to present themselves), and the choices are as follows: (1)African American, African, Black; (2)Native American, Alaskan Native; (3)Asian American (list countries); (4)Asian including Indian Subcontinent (list countries); (5)Hispanic, Latino (list countries); (6)Mexican American, Chicano; (7)Puerto Rican; (8)White or Caucasian; (9)Other.

It’s pretty interesting that African American and African are in the same category, but Asian American and Asian are not. Also, there is no way to figure out how this is defined. If I were an ethnic-Indian whose grandparents lived in Kenya and whose parents were born and raised in Kenya, and I was born and raised in America, what does that make me? Asian American? African American?

Don’t worry, I’ll blog about my research when it’s done next month- you’ll see…

Please do! Clearly, I would be quite interested.

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