Comments on: Desi Girls Gone Fugly http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-6/#comment-76574 A N N A Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:43:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76574 <p>And I QUOTE, from one of my favorite commenters, EVER:</p> <blockquote>girl, close the color comment thread! i'm attracted to rebutting those morons like flies to shit!</blockquote> <p>And ye shall receive. Thank you, everyone. It's been...something.</p> And I QUOTE, from one of my favorite commenters, EVER:

girl, close the color comment thread! i’m attracted to rebutting those morons like flies to shit!

And ye shall receive. Thank you, everyone. It’s been…something.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-6/#comment-76565 Camille Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:10:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76565 <p>Jai -- as a complete and utter outsider who has nothing against you or anyone else here, as I am new to the site, I just want to suggest that perhaps umbrage was taken partly because of a tendency to use phrases such as "I understand what you're trying to say" (the "trying" part is very condescending--people will mentally respond with "dangit, I SAID exactly what I was 'trying' to say!"). I am pointing this out because I once had a coworker who was a pretty decent guy but was prone to pepper his speech with like phrases, which caused him untold problems at work -- he couldn't understand why people in turn demonstrated a tendency to get so prickly with him. Someone ought to have told him, honestly and without malice.</p> <p>(I am finding this site fascinating. :-)</p> Jai — as a complete and utter outsider who has nothing against you or anyone else here, as I am new to the site, I just want to suggest that perhaps umbrage was taken partly because of a tendency to use phrases such as “I understand what you’re trying to say” (the “trying” part is very condescending–people will mentally respond with “dangit, I SAID exactly what I was ‘trying’ to say!”). I am pointing this out because I once had a coworker who was a pretty decent guy but was prone to pepper his speech with like phrases, which caused him untold problems at work — he couldn’t understand why people in turn demonstrated a tendency to get so prickly with him. Someone ought to have told him, honestly and without malice.

(I am finding this site fascinating. :-)

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By: razib_the_curious http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-6/#comment-76564 razib_the_curious Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:07:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76564 <p>ROFL. sorry jai.</p> ROFL. sorry jai.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-6/#comment-76558 A N N A Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:53:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76558 <blockquote>I bet ANNA knew this would happen, <i>mischievous woman</i>.....</blockquote> <p><em>whistles innocently</em></p> I bet ANNA knew this would happen, mischievous woman…..

whistles innocently

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76555 Jai Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:47:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76555 <p><b>Amitabh</b>,</p> <p>The irony is that I never made any statements at all about lighter desis being superior or more attractive than their darker counterparts -- apart from clarifying the prevalence of lighter people within some Indian communities, re: my previous chat with Razib -- so it's interesting to see supposed "supremacist" or prejudicial attitudes being ascribed to me despite little evidence that I support such a stance, "smugly" or otherwise (in fact I've explicitly stated the opposite). As you and other long-time participants on SM (and Sikhnet for that matter) would know, it's also quite wildly inaccurate.</p> <p>The recent comment about "a particular brand of desi male" also confirms exactly what I was saying regarding the stereotyping of strangers based on a handful of comments, along with basing opinions on guesswork and assumptions. Well, people see what they want to see.</p> <p>Events on this thread have actually made me quite nostalgic for Sikhnet, believe it or not ! Which is certainly saying something, considering my mixed feelings about how that discussion forum has developed in recent times, as you know.</p> <p>No problem about sticking up for you; I did think it was a slightly ill-considered move for you to go into too much detail about the prevalence of "white" people amongst Sikhs or your relatives (especially considering what happened after some of your comments on the CG/Black men & Asian women thread) -- and hopefully you picked up on my subtle warning on that matter higher up this thread -- but this is obviously an extremely sensitive topic and there is a huge amount of misinterpretation of people's attitudes and motivations by some commenters out there. I'm sure you've noticed it too. However, I think you're a good guy and am glad you're continuing to participate on SM, so it's unfortunate that some people may be projecting their own preconceptions onto others and causing them to make quite staggering negative assumptions about their personalities and opinions. The badtameezi towards complete strangers is quite astounding too, which is another reason why I was reminiscing about Sikhnet -- debates frequently got heated there (as you probably remember) but on the whole, I don't remember this level of neurosis being exhibited. Or maybe my memory's just hazy ;)</p> <p>It is, however, a shame that this thread has gone significantly off-topic and almost no-one is actually trying to offer some kind of constructive feedback and suggestions regarding how to rectify the colour-prejudice, apart from complaining about it.</p> <p><b>Dert,</b></p> <p>Modification to my previous comment: I appear to have more than one CG, so I guess I have the edge on you ;) Maybe you need to try harder.....</p> <p><b>Razib,</b></p> <p>What the hell are you laughing at ? ;) Half of the problems here are because of people misunderstanding the tone and historical context of my (and other people's) conversations with you ! Badmaash......</p> <p>I bet ANNA knew this would happen, mischievous woman.....</p> Amitabh,

The irony is that I never made any statements at all about lighter desis being superior or more attractive than their darker counterparts — apart from clarifying the prevalence of lighter people within some Indian communities, re: my previous chat with Razib — so it’s interesting to see supposed “supremacist” or prejudicial attitudes being ascribed to me despite little evidence that I support such a stance, “smugly” or otherwise (in fact I’ve explicitly stated the opposite). As you and other long-time participants on SM (and Sikhnet for that matter) would know, it’s also quite wildly inaccurate.

The recent comment about “a particular brand of desi male” also confirms exactly what I was saying regarding the stereotyping of strangers based on a handful of comments, along with basing opinions on guesswork and assumptions. Well, people see what they want to see.

Events on this thread have actually made me quite nostalgic for Sikhnet, believe it or not ! Which is certainly saying something, considering my mixed feelings about how that discussion forum has developed in recent times, as you know.

No problem about sticking up for you; I did think it was a slightly ill-considered move for you to go into too much detail about the prevalence of “white” people amongst Sikhs or your relatives (especially considering what happened after some of your comments on the CG/Black men & Asian women thread) — and hopefully you picked up on my subtle warning on that matter higher up this thread — but this is obviously an extremely sensitive topic and there is a huge amount of misinterpretation of people’s attitudes and motivations by some commenters out there. I’m sure you’ve noticed it too. However, I think you’re a good guy and am glad you’re continuing to participate on SM, so it’s unfortunate that some people may be projecting their own preconceptions onto others and causing them to make quite staggering negative assumptions about their personalities and opinions. The badtameezi towards complete strangers is quite astounding too, which is another reason why I was reminiscing about Sikhnet — debates frequently got heated there (as you probably remember) but on the whole, I don’t remember this level of neurosis being exhibited. Or maybe my memory’s just hazy ;)

It is, however, a shame that this thread has gone significantly off-topic and almost no-one is actually trying to offer some kind of constructive feedback and suggestions regarding how to rectify the colour-prejudice, apart from complaining about it.

Dert,

Modification to my previous comment: I appear to have more than one CG, so I guess I have the edge on you ;) Maybe you need to try harder…..

Razib,

What the hell are you laughing at ? ;) Half of the problems here are because of people misunderstanding the tone and historical context of my (and other people’s) conversations with you ! Badmaash……

I bet ANNA knew this would happen, mischievous woman…..

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76552 razib_the_atheist Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:28:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76552 <p>LOL.</p> LOL.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76550 Amitabh Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:11:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76550 <p>Jai:</p> <p>Yes you have, and I do appreciate it. I was surprised when I didn't get roasted for my post #154, but later when I realised that you and Dharma Queen were going back and forth in ways which to some extent were related to my comments, I put in a quiet apology. Neither you nor Dharma Queen mentioned me by name but I realised you were defending my comments along with your own. Thank you.</p> Jai:

Yes you have, and I do appreciate it. I was surprised when I didn’t get roasted for my post #154, but later when I realised that you and Dharma Queen were going back and forth in ways which to some extent were related to my comments, I put in a quiet apology. Neither you nor Dharma Queen mentioned me by name but I realised you were defending my comments along with your own. Thank you.

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76549 siddhartha Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:10:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76549 <blockquote>There is something weird happening to this blog, and it's occurring across multiple threads. Who the hell are all these people ?!</blockquote> <p>They are readers. We write for them, and they take the time to comment. It is appreciated.</p> <p>I am NOT following this thread so this is NOT a comment on any of the substantive conversation that may be taking place. However I need to react to this one line above insofar as it raises an issue about the blog.</p> <p>I speak only for myself, but: This is an open, welcoming place. New commenters are highly welcome. There are certain basic rules of courtesy that are spelled out above the comment box, and so long as they are respected, everyone is welcome.</p> <p>Moreover: Just because someone is a lurker, not a regular commenter, in no way diminishes their importance to the blog and their value to us. Personally, I enjoy very much the presence of the regulars, including the ones I sometimes disagree with, and I am glad you are all here. However, if it weren't for the lurkers, I wouldn't be writing. Thank you to all the lurkers and continue to be whoever the hell you want to be.</p> <p>Peace.</p> There is something weird happening to this blog, and it’s occurring across multiple threads. Who the hell are all these people ?!

They are readers. We write for them, and they take the time to comment. It is appreciated.

I am NOT following this thread so this is NOT a comment on any of the substantive conversation that may be taking place. However I need to react to this one line above insofar as it raises an issue about the blog.

I speak only for myself, but: This is an open, welcoming place. New commenters are highly welcome. There are certain basic rules of courtesy that are spelled out above the comment box, and so long as they are respected, everyone is welcome.

Moreover: Just because someone is a lurker, not a regular commenter, in no way diminishes their importance to the blog and their value to us. Personally, I enjoy very much the presence of the regulars, including the ones I sometimes disagree with, and I am glad you are all here. However, if it weren’t for the lurkers, I wouldn’t be writing. Thank you to all the lurkers and continue to be whoever the hell you want to be.

Peace.

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76548 Jai Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:03:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76548 <p><b>A N N A</b>,</p> <blockquote>curiouser and curiouser...</blockquote> <p>You said it ;)</p> <p>There is something weird happening to this blog, and it's occurring across multiple threads. Who the hell are all these people ?! They're not regulars as far as I know (at least in terms of posting comments if not necessarily just lurking instead), yet all kinds of accusations and wild extrapolations are flying around. What is going on with SM ?</p> <p>By the way, I am so glad you finally decided to pop your head around the door and finally make an appearance here, my friend. Look at what you've started ! ;)</p> <p><b>Amitabh</b>,</p> <p>I've taken several bullets for you on this thread so I hope you appreciate it, mundea.....</p> <p><b>Dert </b>buddy,</p> <blockquote>Jai, I'm so very happy and proud of you. You've found your very own personal CG.</blockquote> <p>Good to see you here, bro. Funnily enough (re: the "CG" deja vu), I was thinking exactly the same thing ;)</p> A N N A,

curiouser and curiouser…

You said it ;)

There is something weird happening to this blog, and it’s occurring across multiple threads. Who the hell are all these people ?! They’re not regulars as far as I know (at least in terms of posting comments if not necessarily just lurking instead), yet all kinds of accusations and wild extrapolations are flying around. What is going on with SM ?

By the way, I am so glad you finally decided to pop your head around the door and finally make an appearance here, my friend. Look at what you’ve started ! ;)

Amitabh,

I’ve taken several bullets for you on this thread so I hope you appreciate it, mundea…..

Dert buddy,

Jai, I’m so very happy and proud of you. You’ve found your very own personal CG.

Good to see you here, bro. Funnily enough (re: the “CG” deja vu), I was thinking exactly the same thing ;)

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By: SP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/27/desi_girls_gone_1/comment-page-5/#comment-76546 SP Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:01:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3629#comment-76546 <p>Ah, Dharma Queen, let it go! You should know by now that there is a particular brand of pompous desi male who never tires of lecturing other people and loves the sound of his own voice/sight of his convoluted prose. He also clearly loves a fight, judging by how he barged into the discussion by berating people for their "tone" in referring to light-skinned people. Ain't none of us going to change that. Let's not egg him on. I.g.n.o.r.e.</p> <p>Razib, I caught a reference way back to lack of genetic diversity among Africans - I seem to remember way back in anthro class learning that there was more genetic diversity in the African continent than anywhere else. Can you clarify?</p> Ah, Dharma Queen, let it go! You should know by now that there is a particular brand of pompous desi male who never tires of lecturing other people and loves the sound of his own voice/sight of his convoluted prose. He also clearly loves a fight, judging by how he barged into the discussion by berating people for their “tone” in referring to light-skinned people. Ain’t none of us going to change that. Let’s not egg him on. I.g.n.o.r.e.

Razib, I caught a reference way back to lack of genetic diversity among Africans – I seem to remember way back in anthro class learning that there was more genetic diversity in the African continent than anywhere else. Can you clarify?

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