Comments on: Mumbai Blasts Update: Putting the Pieces Together http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: vater http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-2/#comment-79893 vater Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:55:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-79893 <p>what blasts? Oh the mumbai blasts. yeah so whats the 'update' if any?</p> what blasts? Oh the mumbai blasts. yeah so whats the ‘update’ if any?

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By: jilted_manhood http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-77629 jilted_manhood Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:12:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-77629 <p>Sorry. You may delete the earlier comment. It was meant for another post.</p> Sorry. You may delete the earlier comment. It was meant for another post.

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By: jilted_manhood http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-77627 jilted_manhood Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:08:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-77627 <p>Some facts to share :</p> <ol> <li> He gets around, from town to town.</li> </ol> <p>Here’s the Qana “rescue worker” in the green helmet, photographed extensively in Qana by Adnan Hajj for Reuters, now in Tyre, doing what he does best: making sure wire service photographers get close-up pictures of dead bodies.</p> <p>2. BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported.</p> <pre><code>“The massacre in Houla, it turned out that there was one person killed,” Reuters quoted Siniora as saying. “They thought that the whole building smashed on the heads of about 40 people ... thank God they have been saved.” Siniora had earlier told Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that the attack “was a horrific massacre ... in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing.” </code></pre> <p>3.</p> <p>LONDON, Aug 7 (Reuters) - Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer ( Adnan Hajj ) from its database on Monday after an urgent review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and the armed group Hizbollah.</p> Some facts to share :

  1. He gets around, from town to town.

Here’s the Qana “rescue worker” in the green helmet, photographed extensively in Qana by Adnan Hajj for Reuters, now in Tyre, doing what he does best: making sure wire service photographers get close-up pictures of dead bodies.

2. BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported.

“The massacre in Houla, it turned out that there was one person killed,” Reuters quoted Siniora as saying. “They thought that the whole building smashed on the heads of about 40 people ... thank God they have been saved.”

Siniora had earlier told Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that the attack “was a horrific massacre ... in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing.”

3.

LONDON, Aug 7 (Reuters) – Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer ( Adnan Hajj ) from its database on Monday after an urgent review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and the armed group Hizbollah.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75755 RC Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:03:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75755 <p>Will this reporting by <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/28/news/blast.php"> Somini Sengupta about LeT's hand in Mumbai bombing</a> work as the "proof"?</p> <p>From the article</p> <blockquote>"Hargude's investigation seems to reveal the same sort of homegrown terrorism London discovered when its transport system was bombed by militants in July 2005."</blockquote> <p>One difference though. No white people were killed.</p> Will this reporting by Somini Sengupta about LeT’s hand in Mumbai bombing work as the “proof”?

From the article

“Hargude’s investigation seems to reveal the same sort of homegrown terrorism London discovered when its transport system was bombed by militants in July 2005.”

One difference though. No white people were killed.

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By: jilted_manhood http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75671 jilted_manhood Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:04:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75671 <p><i></p> <p>jilted can you give me an e-mail addy that i can share some of this info with privately</i></i></p> <p>I'd like to get the info from you but I am very uncomfortable leaving my email id on this supposedly <i>non-partisan</i> website which makes an exception to list the following non-desi event on its strictly desi-only events page. I had actually put up a link to a groundbreaking piece of news when the Middle East debate was hot on this thread, only to see it disappear momentarily. Of course the bit about UN's Jan Egeland bluntly accusing Hezbollah of causing civilian casualties was not a Desi issue. The same hawk eyed intern/blogger has kept the following event going for the last four days. And yes I brought their attention to this twice. Now of course I'll be branded an inhumane guy. What's your problem? They'll ask. Well it might be a worthy cause but....... You get the point. <b> non-desi-related </b>submissions will be deleted</p> <p>Sat Jul. 29, New York Alwan for the Arts Benefit Concert for Lebanon & Palestine tamasha posted on July 25, 2006, 10:31 pm EDT A concert of Lebanese <b>resistance</b> music featuring songs by Fairouz & Marcel Khalifeh. Donations: $20 / $30 / $40. All proceeds will go to humanitarian relief organizations.</p> <p>When: Sat, July 29, 2006, 8:00pm Where: Alwan For the Arts, 16 Beaver St, 4th Floor, New York</p>

jilted can you give me an e-mail addy that i can share some of this info with privately

I’d like to get the info from you but I am very uncomfortable leaving my email id on this supposedly non-partisan website which makes an exception to list the following non-desi event on its strictly desi-only events page. I had actually put up a link to a groundbreaking piece of news when the Middle East debate was hot on this thread, only to see it disappear momentarily. Of course the bit about UN’s Jan Egeland bluntly accusing Hezbollah of causing civilian casualties was not a Desi issue. The same hawk eyed intern/blogger has kept the following event going for the last four days. And yes I brought their attention to this twice. Now of course I’ll be branded an inhumane guy. What’s your problem? They’ll ask. Well it might be a worthy cause but……. You get the point. non-desi-related submissions will be deleted

Sat Jul. 29, New York Alwan for the Arts Benefit Concert for Lebanon & Palestine tamasha posted on July 25, 2006, 10:31 pm EDT A concert of Lebanese resistance music featuring songs by Fairouz & Marcel Khalifeh. Donations: $20 / $30 / $40. All proceeds will go to humanitarian relief organizations.

When: Sat, July 29, 2006, 8:00pm Where: Alwan For the Arts, 16 Beaver St, 4th Floor, New York

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By: RCK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75474 RCK Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:39:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75474 <p>I can't say how the current investigations are going but it has been at least 4 years since reports from the intelligence agencies have mentioned that the profile of the terror operatives has changed. Terrorist organisations have managed to recruit people from middle and upper-middle classes, well settled professionals who had all the material comforts, and a good social position. There was a blast in Kashmir, sometime in early 2002, which started these reports. One of cell members turned out to be an engineer employed by an MNC. Outlook had a few reports on it in 2002 and 2003 - if I have the time to hunt those stories out, I'll post the links here.</p> <p>Another point, this in reference to comment # 12:</p> <p>The commentor says, and rightly, that <i>I fail to understand why you would put them both in the same category</i>. These shouldn't be put in the same category, for the simple reason that what happened in Gujarat happened with the complicity, if not the support, of the state government. Also, the victims were not chosen at random, their pain and anguish was not dependant upon their physical location [as is the case with terrorism sponsored by non-state actors], but were carefully and deliberately targetted over an entire state. Not only was there no one they could turn to for help, their terror wasn't the matter of a single day, or a single morning/evening. Nope, they were targetting for weeks upon weeks. Definitely not the same thing as one terrorist attack, no matter how big.</p> I can’t say how the current investigations are going but it has been at least 4 years since reports from the intelligence agencies have mentioned that the profile of the terror operatives has changed. Terrorist organisations have managed to recruit people from middle and upper-middle classes, well settled professionals who had all the material comforts, and a good social position. There was a blast in Kashmir, sometime in early 2002, which started these reports. One of cell members turned out to be an engineer employed by an MNC. Outlook had a few reports on it in 2002 and 2003 – if I have the time to hunt those stories out, I’ll post the links here.

Another point, this in reference to comment # 12:

The commentor says, and rightly, that I fail to understand why you would put them both in the same category. These shouldn’t be put in the same category, for the simple reason that what happened in Gujarat happened with the complicity, if not the support, of the state government. Also, the victims were not chosen at random, their pain and anguish was not dependant upon their physical location [as is the case with terrorism sponsored by non-state actors], but were carefully and deliberately targetted over an entire state. Not only was there no one they could turn to for help, their terror wasn’t the matter of a single day, or a single morning/evening. Nope, they were targetting for weeks upon weeks. Definitely not the same thing as one terrorist attack, no matter how big.

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By: Kriv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75459 Kriv Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:16:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75459 <p>Amardeep, Here is a newspaper report about Lashkar sleeper cells in South India: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060417/asp/nation/story_6108305.asp</p> <p>Here is an article from the South Asia Terrorism Portal with more detail about their modus operandi. http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/sair/Archives/3_52.htm#ASSESSMENT1</p> Amardeep, Here is a newspaper report about Lashkar sleeper cells in South India: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060417/asp/nation/story_6108305.asp

Here is an article from the South Asia Terrorism Portal with more detail about their modus operandi. http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/sair/Archives/3_52.htm#ASSESSMENT1

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By: mitchell porter http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75428 mitchell porter Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:39:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75428 <p>I have not seriously researched the course of events so far, but it looked to me as if first, the Indian government wanted to blame Pakistan (e.g. many statements about how there cannot be talks while Pakistan abets terrorism), but then, the investigation began to focus on domestic perpetrators. Now, it seems to me that if a government is subject to state-sponsored terrorism and cannot do anything against the sponsor (in the short term, anyway), there will be a very strong pressure to hide the sponsorship and focus on the individual terrorists, to avoid communicating weakness; and I wondered if that might be happening here. Then again, I can see that the LeT angle is still being played up, so... Just a thought.</p> I have not seriously researched the course of events so far, but it looked to me as if first, the Indian government wanted to blame Pakistan (e.g. many statements about how there cannot be talks while Pakistan abets terrorism), but then, the investigation began to focus on domestic perpetrators. Now, it seems to me that if a government is subject to state-sponsored terrorism and cannot do anything against the sponsor (in the short term, anyway), there will be a very strong pressure to hide the sponsorship and focus on the individual terrorists, to avoid communicating weakness; and I wondered if that might be happening here. Then again, I can see that the LeT angle is still being played up, so… Just a thought.

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By: Robin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75413 Robin Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:38:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75413 <blockquote>Kriv, could you give an example of this happening in the past? A link to a non-partisan website would also be helpful, if you have one.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/01flip.htm">Here.</a></p> Kriv, could you give an example of this happening in the past? A link to a non-partisan website would also be helpful, if you have one.

Here.

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By: Kesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/mumbai_blasts_u/comment-page-1/#comment-75259 Kesh Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3617#comment-75259 <blockquote>Well if you are suggesting say for example Indian Americans start spying on America for India. Wouldn't it be wrong and contrary to their own well being? Though I feel that's not what you had in mind. You probably have a point though for such an undertaking in the Gulf where Indians might not have a democratic alternative to countering sabotage against India. Besides anything that can be done to prevent such a bloodbath is worthwile</blockquote> <p>Of course not! Spying on a country that you are a citizen of is out of the question, and America is not what i have in mind as i'm all for better relations between both countries. I'm talking about the nations in the east that have hampered India's efforts to nab the masterminds of its terror suspects.</p> <blockquote>too was being curious and wanted to read a couple of examples</blockquote> <p>jilted can you give me an e-mail addy that i can share some of this info with privately.</p> Well if you are suggesting say for example Indian Americans start spying on America for India. Wouldn’t it be wrong and contrary to their own well being? Though I feel that’s not what you had in mind. You probably have a point though for such an undertaking in the Gulf where Indians might not have a democratic alternative to countering sabotage against India. Besides anything that can be done to prevent such a bloodbath is worthwile

Of course not! Spying on a country that you are a citizen of is out of the question, and America is not what i have in mind as i’m all for better relations between both countries. I’m talking about the nations in the east that have hampered India’s efforts to nab the masterminds of its terror suspects.

too was being curious and wanted to read a couple of examples

jilted can you give me an e-mail addy that i can share some of this info with privately.

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