Comments on: Hindi-Hong Kong-Bhai-Bhai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Macaca http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-82970 Macaca Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:45:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-82970 <blockquote>Tiu Fu Fong: The "cha" refers to barbeque, same as "cha siu bao" (Cantonese for bbq pork bun). It's a reference to Indian's skin colour - brown/black as if it had been barbequed. White people are "gweilo" (white devils) and Africans are "ha gwei" (black devils).</blockquote> <p>Hmmm, interesting. So the HK chinese do not add the suffix devil to their slur against indians? Why the exception?</p> Tiu Fu Fong: The “cha” refers to barbeque, same as “cha siu bao” (Cantonese for bbq pork bun). It’s a reference to Indian’s skin colour – brown/black as if it had been barbequed. White people are “gweilo” (white devils) and Africans are “ha gwei” (black devils).

Hmmm, interesting. So the HK chinese do not add the suffix devil to their slur against indians? Why the exception?

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By: topaz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-81633 topaz Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:16:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-81633 <h1>36</h1> <p>Whose God is it anyways?,</p> <p>I think you’re referring to this <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020626/ai_n12613898">situation</a>. The link doesn’t confirm the cause of the negligence, though that doesn’t mean of course that racism and apathy weren’t factors. The husband’s tactful statement at the end of the article seems to sum up the outcomes of both his battle and the coroner’s verdict. It suggests more of a bittersweet rather than a pyrrhic victory for him. His involvement lead to the result and made the story known. On a collective level, while he (and others in a similar position elsewhere) will never meet many who sympathized throughout and after his efforts, I’m ready to bet that even empathy from strangers can go a long way in strengthening a person in his or her personal fight. Public empathy can be in the form of behind the scenes moral support or active help, a combo that reminds me of a news story I saw a few weeks ago.</p> <p>I happened to tune into one of the Indian cable stations and came across the last 2 hours of a 49 hour ‘event.’ A 5 year old boy in India fell through a 60 ft. borewell that had been covered loosely with a jute bag. Unfortunately, people accidentally stepping into uncovered pits isn’t rare, but in this instance the initial negligence, apathy, and social disinterest was turned around. It appears that the local authorities didn’t act immediately till word got out, and the army was sent in to <a href="http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060724/asp/frontpage/story_6517257.asp">rescue </a>the boy. The army eventually dug a connecting tunnel from a nearby dry well.</p> <p>Before the boy was rescued, contact was kept by lowering a TV camera and milk and biscuits down to him. It was almost surreal watching the camera’s images of the child, who, cramped in a 2.5 ft. space had pulled off his clothes and was huddled foetal like. Not surprisingly he was a bit dazed. His rescuer had to coax him to come up with him.</p> <p>The live coverage was big news in India. Most viewers had caught it from the start. The ticker on the channel coverage had comments ranging from “Pray for Prince,” to “Don’t depend on God. Use your brains to think of something,” to “Throw the Politicians in the well,” <a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1043941">etc</a>. There were questions too about why the rescue was taking so long and if there was a better solution. These opinions along with the huge crowd grouping around the well kept the expectation for a successful conclusion. In that way I guess your handle is apt. As long as one has a kind of kind faith, religious or not, then the right thing can get done. In the end, Prince left the well on the evening of his 6th birthday. He was bundled through the crowd and probably wondering why there were people and camera lights.<br /> He seems fine now from the follow up stories.</p> 36

Whose God is it anyways?,

I think youÂ’re referring to this situation. The link doesnÂ’t confirm the cause of the negligence, though that doesnÂ’t mean of course that racism and apathy werenÂ’t factors. The husbandÂ’s tactful statement at the end of the article seems to sum up the outcomes of both his battle and the coronerÂ’s verdict. It suggests more of a bittersweet rather than a pyrrhic victory for him. His involvement lead to the result and made the story known. On a collective level, while he (and others in a similar position elsewhere) will never meet many who sympathized throughout and after his efforts, IÂ’m ready to bet that even empathy from strangers can go a long way in strengthening a person in his or her personal fight. Public empathy can be in the form of behind the scenes moral support or active help, a combo that reminds me of a news story I saw a few weeks ago.

I happened to tune into one of the Indian cable stations and came across the last 2 hours of a 49 hour ‘event.’ A 5 year old boy in India fell through a 60 ft. borewell that had been covered loosely with a jute bag. Unfortunately, people accidentally stepping into uncovered pits isn’t rare, but in this instance the initial negligence, apathy, and social disinterest was turned around. It appears that the local authorities didn’t act immediately till word got out, and the army was sent in to rescue the boy. The army eventually dug a connecting tunnel from a nearby dry well.

Before the boy was rescued, contact was kept by lowering a TV camera and milk and biscuits down to him. It was almost surreal watching the cameraÂ’s images of the child, who, cramped in a 2.5 ft. space had pulled off his clothes and was huddled foetal like. Not surprisingly he was a bit dazed. His rescuer had to coax him to come up with him.

The live coverage was big news in India. Most viewers had caught it from the start. The ticker on the channel coverage had comments ranging from “Pray for Prince,” to “Don’t depend on God. Use your brains to think of something,” to “Throw the Politicians in the well,” etc. There were questions too about why the rescue was taking so long and if there was a better solution. These opinions along with the huge crowd grouping around the well kept the expectation for a successful conclusion. In that way I guess your handle is apt. As long as one has a kind of kind faith, religious or not, then the right thing can get done. In the end, Prince left the well on the evening of his 6th birthday. He was bundled through the crowd and probably wondering why there were people and camera lights.
He seems fine now from the follow up stories.

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By: Dae Han http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-76475 Dae Han Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:46:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-76475 <p>Don't know how big it is in HK, but there's a Singaporean tv show out there about a Chinese-Indian couple called 'Achar!'. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/arts/television/30cara.html?ref=television">Link</a></p> Don’t know how big it is in HK, but there’s a Singaporean tv show out there about a Chinese-Indian couple called ‘Achar!’. Link

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By: Tiu Fu Fong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-76184 Tiu Fu Fong Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:16:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-76184 <p>I</p> <blockquote> agree, 'ah cha' sounds like a phonetic transliteration of 'accha' which is a common feature across many north indian languages</blockquote> <p>The "cha" refers to barbeque, same as "cha siu bao" (Cantonese for bbq pork bun). It's a reference to Indian's skin colour - brown/black as if it had been barbequed. White people are "gweilo" (white devils) and Africans are "ha gwei" (black devils).</p> <p>Most HK-ers experiences with Indians (or Indian-appearing persons) is with the guys who hang around Tsimshatsui and hassle you with questions like "Tailor? Tailor?" or "Rolex?".</p> I

agree, ‘ah cha’ sounds like a phonetic transliteration of ‘accha’ which is a common feature across many north indian languages

The “cha” refers to barbeque, same as “cha siu bao” (Cantonese for bbq pork bun). It’s a reference to Indian’s skin colour – brown/black as if it had been barbequed. White people are “gweilo” (white devils) and Africans are “ha gwei” (black devils).

Most HK-ers experiences with Indians (or Indian-appearing persons) is with the guys who hang around Tsimshatsui and hassle you with questions like “Tailor? Tailor?” or “Rolex?”.

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By: DT2004 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75972 DT2004 Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:04:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75972 <p>sp. kashmiri's</p> sp. kashmiri’s

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By: DT2004 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75971 DT2004 Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:02:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75971 <p>Jai is right on this. Many Northwest Indians, Punjabis and Kashmimiris have white skin. I have relatives that do(sister, nephew). My cousin just had a baby and she (baby) has blue green eyes and light brown hair with blonde streaks. Dad has brown hair, tanned due to indian climate, his wife is white-pinkish with black hair. Of course appearances change, so we dont' know how she'll look later, but thats what she is now. This is a Punjabi Hindu (Khatri) family.</p> Jai is right on this. Many Northwest Indians, Punjabis and Kashmimiris have white skin. I have relatives that do(sister, nephew). My cousin just had a baby and she (baby) has blue green eyes and light brown hair with blonde streaks. Dad has brown hair, tanned due to indian climate, his wife is white-pinkish with black hair. Of course appearances change, so we dont’ know how she’ll look later, but thats what she is now. This is a Punjabi Hindu (Khatri) family.

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By: DT2004 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75970 DT2004 Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:57:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75970 <p>Okay, my point in the post is not to say Houston is the best, nor to compare cities. A statement was made, that was baseless and incorrect, and I was arguing that. No more. You can tell me the world is flat, and I'm the type to argue you that its round, no matter how long it takes. Misinformation should be corrected.</p> Okay, my point in the post is not to say Houston is the best, nor to compare cities. A statement was made, that was baseless and incorrect, and I was arguing that. No more. You can tell me the world is flat, and I’m the type to argue you that its round, no matter how long it takes. Misinformation should be corrected.

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75680 Jai Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75680 <blockquote>what indians consider "fair" is olive-brown "swarthy" where i live.</blockquote> <p>Not necessarily. Amongst north Indian populations, especially those from the northwest, "fair" in relation to women generally means "vanilla" or "porcelain" coloured. There is of course a slight gradation to what would be regarded as light olive, but any darker than that is not regarded as "fair-skinned" in the traditional sense of the term.</p> <p>I would agree, however, that olive-brown is regarded as "fair" when it comes to men.</p> <blockquote>if indians wanted as light as possible they'd import european origin B actresses instead of half-browns. </blockquote> <p>Already happening to a minor extent, re: Yana Gupta and one or two other Eastern European models who have appeared in "item-number" music videos.</p> what indians consider “fair” is olive-brown “swarthy” where i live.

Not necessarily. Amongst north Indian populations, especially those from the northwest, “fair” in relation to women generally means “vanilla” or “porcelain” coloured. There is of course a slight gradation to what would be regarded as light olive, but any darker than that is not regarded as “fair-skinned” in the traditional sense of the term.

I would agree, however, that olive-brown is regarded as “fair” when it comes to men.

if indians wanted as light as possible they’d import european origin B actresses instead of half-browns.

Already happening to a minor extent, re: Yana Gupta and one or two other Eastern European models who have appeared in “item-number” music videos.

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75566 razib_the_atheist Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:37:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75566 <p><i>However, you sound like a schmuck when you say things like this. The Chinese did not value martial attributes? This will come as news to twenty-one centuries of emperors.</i></p> <p>han wudi, 'the martial emperor,' didn't lead from the front. that tells you about how much the chinese value the <i>experience</i> of soldiery, as opposed to how much they utilized soldiers. but i know chinese history, you obviously don't if you can make such a snide remark, or if you can imagine that the <i>ideal</i> of chinese culture was toward martial glory (e.g., the conquests post-1650 were by <i>manchus</i>, a non-han people). the opponents of the confucians mocked them for basically being wimps, but it was the confucian ideal of scholar-bureaucrats which became the archetype which dominates much of pre-modern chinese history. whereof one does not know, one should not speak :)</p> However, you sound like a schmuck when you say things like this. The Chinese did not value martial attributes? This will come as news to twenty-one centuries of emperors.

han wudi, ‘the martial emperor,’ didn’t lead from the front. that tells you about how much the chinese value the experience of soldiery, as opposed to how much they utilized soldiers. but i know chinese history, you obviously don’t if you can make such a snide remark, or if you can imagine that the ideal of chinese culture was toward martial glory (e.g., the conquests post-1650 were by manchus, a non-han people). the opponents of the confucians mocked them for basically being wimps, but it was the confucian ideal of scholar-bureaucrats which became the archetype which dominates much of pre-modern chinese history. whereof one does not know, one should not speak :)

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By: Mr Kobayashi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/25/hindihong_kongb_1/comment-page-3/#comment-75565 Mr Kobayashi Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:32:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3616#comment-75565 <blockquote>chinese, who did not value martial attributes tended to prefer light skin in males too</blockquote> <p>However, you sound like a schmuck when you say things like this. The Chinese did not value martial attributes? This will come as news to twenty-one centuries of emperors.</p> chinese, who did not value martial attributes tended to prefer light skin in males too

However, you sound like a schmuck when you say things like this. The Chinese did not value martial attributes? This will come as news to twenty-one centuries of emperors.

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