Comments on: Mole Revealed in GTA Bomb Plot http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous Guest http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-279484 Anonymous Guest Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:45:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-279484 <p>Clarification....Mubin Shaikh DID NOT convert to Islam....he was born Muslim. He is reviled in the local community and considered by most Canadians, to have set-up an impressionable group of youngsters to commit a crime, then turned them into the police, so he could collect money.</p> <p>He had been an RCMP informant prior to this, and was paid nover $300,000 for his role in the Toronto 18 plot.</p> <p>He only admitted he was an informant AFTER he got exposed by local members of the Muslim community.</p> <p>This man is no hero. He is an opportunistic hypocrite, who created mass hysteria by setting up a bunch of kids, then sitting back and counting his cash.</p> <p>He is also an admitted cocaine user.</p> Clarification….Mubin Shaikh DID NOT convert to Islam….he was born Muslim. He is reviled in the local community and considered by most Canadians, to have set-up an impressionable group of youngsters to commit a crime, then turned them into the police, so he could collect money.

He had been an RCMP informant prior to this, and was paid nover $300,000 for his role in the Toronto 18 plot.

He only admitted he was an informant AFTER he got exposed by local members of the Muslim community.

This man is no hero. He is an opportunistic hypocrite, who created mass hysteria by setting up a bunch of kids, then sitting back and counting his cash.

He is also an admitted cocaine user.

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By: MS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-274778 MS Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:40:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-274778 <p>Now that the case is over and the evidence is available to see for ourselves, please visit the Star feature article that has court exhibits, videos, transcripts and hear the FACTS as they are known:</p> <p>http://www3.thestar.com/static/toronto18/index.html</p> Now that the case is over and the evidence is available to see for ourselves, please visit the Star feature article that has court exhibits, videos, transcripts and hear the FACTS as they are known:

http://www3.thestar.com/static/toronto18/index.html

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By: Clear Up http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-163910 Clear Up Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:39:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-163910 <p>I am posting this comment MUCH later than the original entries...but to clear up: Shaikh's father was not cahrged with fondling anyone. The case was bogus which is why it was dropped. And Shaikh's uncle was not one of the person's who took money from the AbuBakr Masjid in Scarborough - those people were unrelated.</p> I am posting this comment MUCH later than the original entries…but to clear up: Shaikh’s father was not cahrged with fondling anyone. The case was bogus which is why it was dropped. And Shaikh’s uncle was not one of the person’s who took money from the AbuBakr Masjid in Scarborough – those people were unrelated.

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By: Unknown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-98746 Unknown Sun, 05 Nov 2006 10:24:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-98746 <p>this guy is a fake hes just in it for the money. this is coming from somone who knows him and his family and all his cuzins for years the area in scarborough he grew up in is the same i grew up in yeah his uncles are into projects in building new mosques like jame abu bakr buh his uncle is one who steals the money who people have donated im telling u i kno this guy and i kno how he is hes just a regular person from tdot who just there to ruin lives and live a great life off the money why else wud he demand 300 000 dollars yeah sure buddy ur doing it for the country</p> this guy is a fake hes just in it for the money. this is coming from somone who knows him and his family and all his cuzins for years the area in scarborough he grew up in is the same i grew up in yeah his uncles are into projects in building new mosques like jame abu bakr buh his uncle is one who steals the money who people have donated im telling u i kno this guy and i kno how he is hes just a regular person from tdot who just there to ruin lives and live a great life off the money why else wud he demand 300 000 dollars yeah sure buddy ur doing it for the country

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By: MUBIN SHAIKH http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-89003 MUBIN SHAIKH Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:38:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-89003 <p>Greetings, OK - let me try to clear this up.</p> <p>1) I support Shariah Law 2) Shariah Law FORBIDS killing innocents. 3) It follows that the one who claims Shariah Law should be the FIRST to walk the walk. I do not care about my life - I care about ISLAM and if some angry Muslims want to bomb MY home, MY city - not on my watch, AKHI. Its usually hijabi Muslim women and bearded male Muslims who bear the brunt of the backlash. I REFUSE to accept that.</p> <p>SO during the Shariah ADR fiasco (ignorance reigned supreme) - what happened was I was being portrayed as an extremist, which I am not. They tried everything: I hate Canada, I want to have Canadastan here, I am this I am that. Well, I am one who walks the walk - it IS as simple as that.</p> <p>AL BERUNI: It was mistakenly said I converted - I am born and raised Muslim (in Toronto) and turned to the Orthodoxy (Sunni, Hanafi) at 19 years of age.</p> <p>Finally: A bunch of reporters were on to me thanks to the van my brother usually drives (damn it, I knew the coppers should have got me a rental!) and so I went public with the CBC to try to show MY example as a Muslim - cant let the fanatics do all the advertising for Islam!</p> <p>I am not hiding in any closet - I walk around in public and pray in the Masjid because I am a Muslim. Any Muslim brother has a problem with what I did - they can take it up with ALLAH on the Day of Judgment. At least wait until the trial starts - the evidence is gonna knock people down.</p> <p>Mubin Shaikh</p> Greetings, OK – let me try to clear this up.

1) I support Shariah Law 2) Shariah Law FORBIDS killing innocents. 3) It follows that the one who claims Shariah Law should be the FIRST to walk the walk. I do not care about my life – I care about ISLAM and if some angry Muslims want to bomb MY home, MY city – not on my watch, AKHI. Its usually hijabi Muslim women and bearded male Muslims who bear the brunt of the backlash. I REFUSE to accept that.

SO during the Shariah ADR fiasco (ignorance reigned supreme) – what happened was I was being portrayed as an extremist, which I am not. They tried everything: I hate Canada, I want to have Canadastan here, I am this I am that. Well, I am one who walks the walk – it IS as simple as that.

AL BERUNI: It was mistakenly said I converted – I am born and raised Muslim (in Toronto) and turned to the Orthodoxy (Sunni, Hanafi) at 19 years of age.

Finally: A bunch of reporters were on to me thanks to the van my brother usually drives (damn it, I knew the coppers should have got me a rental!) and so I went public with the CBC to try to show MY example as a Muslim – cant let the fanatics do all the advertising for Islam!

I am not hiding in any closet – I walk around in public and pray in the Masjid because I am a Muslim. Any Muslim brother has a problem with what I did – they can take it up with ALLAH on the Day of Judgment. At least wait until the trial starts – the evidence is gonna knock people down.

Mubin Shaikh

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-74159 Vikram Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:30:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-74159 <p>I've just finished watching the Showtime series "Sleeper Cell".The Shaikh story sounds in a way similar (plot spoilers for the show follow) to what the Islamic cell on the show did ... they killed another cell leader and took over his facilities because it was needed to plan their attack in the US. The various groups as the infighting among the militant groups in Iraq has shown have no love lost between themselves.</p> I’ve just finished watching the Showtime series “Sleeper Cell”.The Shaikh story sounds in a way similar (plot spoilers for the show follow) to what the Islamic cell on the show did … they killed another cell leader and took over his facilities because it was needed to plan their attack in the US. The various groups as the infighting among the militant groups in Iraq has shown have no love lost between themselves.

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By: Neha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-74143 Neha Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-74143 <blockquote>How so? I would think "Very religous" people are more loyal to their faith rather than their "community".</blockquote> <p>Yes, that would be ideal but in my personal experience this has not been the case. The orthodox Muslim community in Toronto (like any other faith community) is tightly knit. And so I was surprised...yes, I was happy too like hairy_d above, that Shaikh did what he did. I don't think he had any "bad intentions". But to me it looks like Shaikh's actions only constitute a part of the story. He was employed by two agencies with a cloudy past when it comes to terror trials. And that is what fuels my questions and half-assed conspiricy theories, not Shaikh's intentions.</p> How so? I would think “Very religous” people are more loyal to their faith rather than their “community”.

Yes, that would be ideal but in my personal experience this has not been the case. The orthodox Muslim community in Toronto (like any other faith community) is tightly knit. And so I was surprised…yes, I was happy too like hairy_d above, that Shaikh did what he did. I don’t think he had any “bad intentions”. But to me it looks like Shaikh’s actions only constitute a part of the story. He was employed by two agencies with a cloudy past when it comes to terror trials. And that is what fuels my questions and half-assed conspiricy theories, not Shaikh’s intentions.

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By: Rida http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-74132 Rida Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:58:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-74132 <p>"Ahem, I was not implying that orthodox folks are baby killers. Shaikh's actions are surprising to me because he risked his public life within his community, not to mention personal safety, to spy for the govt. And it isn't far-fetched to say that very religious people are generally averse to ratting out members of their own community."</p> <p>How so? I would think "Very religous" people are more loyal to their faith rather than their "community". If one looks at it from the point of a community member, the guy did the right thing...he saved a lot of Muslims from a guaranteed backlash. From the point of a community outsider...he saved a lot of people from, well, dying.</p> <p>It's sorta strage, the guy did a good thing but people still look for conspiracy theories, bad intentions or just reasons not to think so.</p> <p>Maybe i'm just young and naive...or maybe it's because I don't know his background or his past activities... but I'm very happy he stepped up and i applaud him</p> “Ahem, I was not implying that orthodox folks are baby killers. Shaikh’s actions are surprising to me because he risked his public life within his community, not to mention personal safety, to spy for the govt. And it isn’t far-fetched to say that very religious people are generally averse to ratting out members of their own community.”

How so? I would think “Very religous” people are more loyal to their faith rather than their “community”. If one looks at it from the point of a community member, the guy did the right thing…he saved a lot of Muslims from a guaranteed backlash. From the point of a community outsider…he saved a lot of people from, well, dying.

It’s sorta strage, the guy did a good thing but people still look for conspiracy theories, bad intentions or just reasons not to think so.

Maybe i’m just young and naive…or maybe it’s because I don’t know his background or his past activities… but I’m very happy he stepped up and i applaud him

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-73979 Sunny Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:49:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-73979 <p>Neha, sorry I didn't mean for it to come across as a personal attack. I just thought there was a sense of incredulity by yourself and other commenters, and I thought it was misplaced.</p> <p>The very religious don't usually take a stand, but sometimes they do. In India for example, some of the biggest critics of the RSS/VHP Sangh Parivar are the Shankracharyas.</p> Neha, sorry I didn’t mean for it to come across as a personal attack. I just thought there was a sense of incredulity by yourself and other commenters, and I thought it was misplaced.

The very religious don’t usually take a stand, but sometimes they do. In India for example, some of the biggest critics of the RSS/VHP Sangh Parivar are the Shankracharyas.

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By: hairy_d http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/17/junes_terror_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-73963 hairy_d Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:52:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3583#comment-73963 <p>i dont think i am alone in that i was hurt when the Toronto 17 came to light. felt violated. so when i heard of the mole being involved, i perked up... i saw the guy's photo, i beamed ... i read his profile, i was doing cartwheels.</p> <p>it was terrible to have one's faith shaken in the city. no community is perfect - but what distinguishes us (and so i like to believe) is the ability to manage ourselves and self-correct with due regard to individual liberties and to our diverse cultural needs. it felt good to know this person had strong views and went against the grain in thought and appearance - and he displayed his beliefs in true canadian fashion. SO!!! toronto came through. ok... we'll still get bombed some day... i know that, but i feel good.</p> <p>btw, for those who may find shaikh's beliefs iffy, things arent so cut and dried - there was merit to ontario's adoption of shariat laws - the proposal originated with ontario's attorney general in response to incidents of abuse in closed-door shariat jurisprudence. This was an attempt to bring the system into the open. another story, another day.</p> i dont think i am alone in that i was hurt when the Toronto 17 came to light. felt violated. so when i heard of the mole being involved, i perked up… i saw the guy’s photo, i beamed … i read his profile, i was doing cartwheels.

it was terrible to have one’s faith shaken in the city. no community is perfect – but what distinguishes us (and so i like to believe) is the ability to manage ourselves and self-correct with due regard to individual liberties and to our diverse cultural needs. it felt good to know this person had strong views and went against the grain in thought and appearance – and he displayed his beliefs in true canadian fashion. SO!!! toronto came through. ok… we’ll still get bombed some day… i know that, but i feel good.

btw, for those who may find shaikh’s beliefs iffy, things arent so cut and dried – there was merit to ontario’s adoption of shariat laws – the proposal originated with ontario’s attorney general in response to incidents of abuse in closed-door shariat jurisprudence. This was an attempt to bring the system into the open. another story, another day.

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