Comments on: Mmmm, Foot. Tasty. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: topaz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71991 topaz Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:39:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71991 <p>hey siddhartha,</p> <p>wontcha reconsider this?</p> <blockquote>you are not welcome in this house. your comment stands, for posterity. as for you, see you later alligator</blockquote> <p>When I was told off on the Kaavya thread, slightly but still, I dealt with it and moved on. The question didn't come up of getting rid of the post or the poster. Ah can't be dealin' with too much censorship.</p> hey siddhartha,

wontcha reconsider this?

you are not welcome in this house. your comment stands, for posterity. as for you, see you later alligator

When I was told off on the Kaavya thread, slightly but still, I dealt with it and moved on. The question didn’t come up of getting rid of the post or the poster. Ah can’t be dealin’ with too much censorship.

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By: Ramadesikan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71986 Ramadesikan Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:10:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71986 <p>I watched the so called controversial clip of Sen. Biden, he does mention 7-11 et-al and in the same breath he did say " 30 % of Silicon Valley CEOs are Indians". The CEO part appear nowhere in the discussions, if the mere mentioning of Indians owming of 7-11s, make Indians angry, then Indians should not own 7-11s.</p> I watched the so called controversial clip of Sen. Biden, he does mention 7-11 et-al and in the same breath he did say ” 30 % of Silicon Valley CEOs are Indians”. The CEO part appear nowhere in the discussions, if the mere mentioning of Indians owming of 7-11s, make Indians angry, then Indians should not own 7-11s.

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71879 AK Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:47:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71879 <p>Number Six --</p> <blockquote>I have no trouble accusing you, Jan Jani, of being neither brilliant nor clairvoyant, but rather a dimwitted hothead.</blockquote> <p>Amen!</p> Number Six –

I have no trouble accusing you, Jan Jani, of being neither brilliant nor clairvoyant, but rather a dimwitted hothead.

Amen!

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By: Number Six http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71876 Number Six Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:42:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71876 <blockquote>I know someone before me pointed out your Kaavya-Biden hypocricy [sic]</blockquote> <ol> <li><p>For the record, Jan Jani, I was NOT accusing ANNA of being a hypocrite, and don't for a second think that she is one. She might very well regard the two situations as different, which is entirely within the realm of reasonable possibility. Or alternatively, perhaps upon reflection and in dialogue with people in this discussion she might come to have a different view of one or the other situation, which would simply be a sign that she is thoughtful individual capable of listening and reflecting upon her positions, and learning from new situations. I was simply inviting her to elaborate upon where she was coming from, and while I intended to do so playfully, it obviously wasn't stated in the best way because it was misinterpreted both by her and by you -- although curiously, your misinterpretation has come <i>after </i><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003556.html#comment71488">my clarification</a>. I fully trust that she now understands what I intended. Whether or not she chooses to respond to the issue I was implicitly raising -- now, later, never -- is entirely her prerogative, and I don't regard her as a hypocrite if she chooses not to. Life is short, and there are a lot of other discussions in this blog to pay attention to.</p></li> <li><p>Also for the record, I have no trouble accusing you, Jan Jani, of being neither brilliant nor clairvoyant, but rather a dimwitted hothead.</p></li> </ol> I know someone before me pointed out your Kaavya-Biden hypocricy [sic]
  1. For the record, Jan Jani, I was NOT accusing ANNA of being a hypocrite, and don’t for a second think that she is one. She might very well regard the two situations as different, which is entirely within the realm of reasonable possibility. Or alternatively, perhaps upon reflection and in dialogue with people in this discussion she might come to have a different view of one or the other situation, which would simply be a sign that she is thoughtful individual capable of listening and reflecting upon her positions, and learning from new situations. I was simply inviting her to elaborate upon where she was coming from, and while I intended to do so playfully, it obviously wasn’t stated in the best way because it was misinterpreted both by her and by you — although curiously, your misinterpretation has come after my clarification. I fully trust that she now understands what I intended. Whether or not she chooses to respond to the issue I was implicitly raising — now, later, never — is entirely her prerogative, and I don’t regard her as a hypocrite if she chooses not to. Life is short, and there are a lot of other discussions in this blog to pay attention to.

  2. Also for the record, I have no trouble accusing you, Jan Jani, of being neither brilliant nor clairvoyant, but rather a dimwitted hothead.

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71874 siddhartha Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:19:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71874 <p>AMfD,</p> <p>i know this is in bad taste but i'd prefer to call it an IED -- improvised editorial device!</p> <p>peace</p> AMfD,

i know this is in bad taste but i’d prefer to call it an IED — improvised editorial device!

peace

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71870 Al Mujahid for debauchery Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:10:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71870 <p>Jan Jani stated:<i>Dynamiting one enemy post after the other.</i></p> <p>Siddhartha:<i>you are not welcome in this house.</i></p> <p>Dude Jan Jani, Seems like you stepped on a landmine!</p> Jan Jani stated:Dynamiting one enemy post after the other.

Siddhartha:you are not welcome in this house.

Dude Jan Jani, Seems like you stepped on a landmine!

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71868 siddhartha Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:07:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71868 <p>jan jani,</p> <p>nicely done dude. you've called anna arrogant and a hypocrite, informed me my head is up my ass, called the commenters here spineless, called comments that criticize you "enemy" and announced you are "dynamiting" them, insulted several of our valued regular commenters, and generally made a nuisance of yourself. you have no arguments, merely invective, and apparently some anger issues you might want to look into. you are not welcome in this house. your comment stands, for posterity. as for you, see you later alligator.</p> <p>peace</p> jan jani,

nicely done dude. you’ve called anna arrogant and a hypocrite, informed me my head is up my ass, called the commenters here spineless, called comments that criticize you “enemy” and announced you are “dynamiting” them, insulted several of our valued regular commenters, and generally made a nuisance of yourself. you have no arguments, merely invective, and apparently some anger issues you might want to look into. you are not welcome in this house. your comment stands, for posterity. as for you, see you later alligator.

peace

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By: Vengeful Jan Jani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71860 Vengeful Jan Jani Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:51:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71860 <p>Dynamiting one enemy post after the other.</p> <p><b>Vivek</b></p> <p>I was too timepressed to deliberate in my post and thus preempt your trite arguments, like the one below:</p> <p><i>Guess what! While we are all part of this South Asian group, we are also individuals with our own opinions and sensibilities</i></p> <p>I had meant to say most browsers ( other than regular commenters here ) would just glance at the original post and move on without discovering the diversity of comments in the thread that follows the post. The bloggers' on this site I am afarid to say usually don't show much diversity of opinion on such issues.</p> <p>Offense is often taken when it was not intended.</p> <p><b>ANNA</b></p> <p>Just because your hypocricy and arrogance get such a freepass from the mostly spineless commenters, you have indeed begun to believe your posts and comments to be foolproof.</p> <p><i>I note with much interest that you didn't make this brilliant statement on either Abhi's or Manish's posts on THE SAME INCIDENT, in which they take the SAME position that I did.</i></p> <p>Manish is no longer with SM. If Abhi had already said what you mostly wanted to, then why write a redundant post? That's because Abhi had not taken the SAME position as you did later:</p> <p>Abhi <i> Please don’t start an email or letter writing campaign :). This may have just been a very poorly executed joke on Biden’s part.</i></p> <p>And this is what you demanded ( implicitly ):</p> <p><i>I keep waiting to hear a “sorry”, “my apologies”, “oops” or even a “dude…my bad”, but he’s got nothing useful like that for us, which is too bad</i></p> <p>Not too long ago you continued to cling to shameless Kaavya's defense even though one damning evidence after the other kept piling up against her. But you couldn't give the benefit of the doubt to a man who has consistently been friendly to Indians? With your self declared interests in Congressional politics you ought to know at least half of what <b>Ash58</b> knows about Biden. I know someone before me pointed out your Kaavya-Biden hypocricy but the charge is worth pursuing because you so callously ran away from it the first time:</p> <p><b>Hmmmm.... What happened to compassionate, benefit-of-the-doubt-giving Akka-ANNA?</b> <i>Wow...you really got me. I'm such a hypocrite. I'll go cry now.</i></p> <p>How do you explain the following?</p> <p><b>May some nice desi 7-11 worker get down on her knees and give him a big free slurpee. </b> <i>Why not "his knees"?</i></p> <p>Does that remark offend you only as long as it's a 'she'?</p> <p><i>That, Jan Jani, makes you a JERK</i></p> <p>I am sure you have several skeletons in your blogboard to qualify you as a superjerk, but I'll allow others to make that judgment.</p> <p><b>Siddhartha:</b></p> <p>Where do I even begin with you man. If anyone ever argues that " Minority Head Up His/Her Victim Ass " is a myth, he or she should first read the following golden words excerpted from your soccer post: <i> Last year, severe riots and disturbances in the squalid working-class suburbs of Paris and other cities reminded France and the world that the daily lives of people of color in France are fraught with obstacles and discrimination; not that the complacent political class and intellectual elite seem much interested in doing anything about it.</i></p> <p>or this nugget: <i> the underlying problem is that the political establishment is overwhelmingly white</i></p> <p>and the <i>piece de resistance</i> was his post about the Whitey visiting a Temple in Delhi. A text book case of taking offense where none was intended. I can't find it. If someone does, please link it.</p> <p><b> Tashie</b></p> <p><i>(If only more people, <em>cough</em> Jan Jani <em>cough</em> could do the same) :-)</i> Just speak for your (apologist) self.</p> <p><b>AK</b></p> <p><i>Anyone who can definitively make sense of what Biden was trying to say is indeed either brilliant or clairvoyant.</i></p> <p>A big thank you!</p> Dynamiting one enemy post after the other.

Vivek

I was too timepressed to deliberate in my post and thus preempt your trite arguments, like the one below:

Guess what! While we are all part of this South Asian group, we are also individuals with our own opinions and sensibilities

I had meant to say most browsers ( other than regular commenters here ) would just glance at the original post and move on without discovering the diversity of comments in the thread that follows the post. The bloggers’ on this site I am afarid to say usually don’t show much diversity of opinion on such issues.

Offense is often taken when it was not intended.

ANNA

Just because your hypocricy and arrogance get such a freepass from the mostly spineless commenters, you have indeed begun to believe your posts and comments to be foolproof.

I note with much interest that you didn’t make this brilliant statement on either Abhi’s or Manish’s posts on THE SAME INCIDENT, in which they take the SAME position that I did.

Manish is no longer with SM. If Abhi had already said what you mostly wanted to, then why write a redundant post? That’s because Abhi had not taken the SAME position as you did later:

Abhi Please donÂ’t start an email or letter writing campaign :) . This may have just been a very poorly executed joke on BidenÂ’s part.

And this is what you demanded ( implicitly ):

I keep waiting to hear a “sorry”, “my apologies”, “oops” or even a “dude…my bad”, but he’s got nothing useful like that for us, which is too bad

Not too long ago you continued to cling to shameless Kaavya’s defense even though one damning evidence after the other kept piling up against her. But you couldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to a man who has consistently been friendly to Indians? With your self declared interests in Congressional politics you ought to know at least half of what Ash58 knows about Biden. I know someone before me pointed out your Kaavya-Biden hypocricy but the charge is worth pursuing because you so callously ran away from it the first time:

Hmmmm…. What happened to compassionate, benefit-of-the-doubt-giving Akka-ANNA? Wow…you really got me. I’m such a hypocrite. I’ll go cry now.

How do you explain the following?

May some nice desi 7-11 worker get down on her knees and give him a big free slurpee. Why not “his knees”?

Does that remark offend you only as long as it’s a ‘she’?

That, Jan Jani, makes you a JERK

I am sure you have several skeletons in your blogboard to qualify you as a superjerk, but I’ll allow others to make that judgment.

Siddhartha:

Where do I even begin with you man. If anyone ever argues that ” Minority Head Up His/Her Victim Ass ” is a myth, he or she should first read the following golden words excerpted from your soccer post: Last year, severe riots and disturbances in the squalid working-class suburbs of Paris and other cities reminded France and the world that the daily lives of people of color in France are fraught with obstacles and discrimination; not that the complacent political class and intellectual elite seem much interested in doing anything about it.

or this nugget: the underlying problem is that the political establishment is overwhelmingly white

and the piece de resistance was his post about the Whitey visiting a Temple in Delhi. A text book case of taking offense where none was intended. I can’t find it. If someone does, please link it.

Tashie

(If only more people, cough Jan Jani cough could do the same) :-) Just speak for your (apologist) self.

AK

Anyone who can definitively make sense of what Biden was trying to say is indeed either brilliant or clairvoyant.

A big thank you!

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By: Ruchira Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71803 Ruchira Paul Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:26:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71803 <p><b>AK:</b></p> <p>Thanks for having the patience to read my (and similar ones)comment carefully and make sense of it.</p> <p><b>Quaker 09</b> Thanks for explaining Senator Biden's possible motivation. I still think that he is a windbag - albeit a non-malicious one. I don't base my opinion only on his silly quip about Indians and Dunkin' Donuts.</p> <p>I believe that anyone who ventures to characterize a large, diverse group of people by assigning narrow attributes (good, bad or indifferent) to its members, does so at his/her own peril. The result is often a demeaning and infantilizing one for the group and an embarrassing "foot in the mouth" for the speaker. Unless people explicitly define themselves as in the case of political or religious groups, we should not automatically presume anything about their interests, capabilities or their philosophies. Having seen this stereotyping game from both the negative and positive ends of the spectrum, I am convinced of its perniciousness. I would invite anyone who cares to look at yet another blog, to read <a href="http://accidentalblogger.typepad.com/accidental_blogger/2006/03/stereotypes_sin.html">my commentary</a> on this matter which I posted a few months ago where I was actually responding to a Jewish co-blogger who was happy about positive Jewish stereotypes.</p> AK:

Thanks for having the patience to read my (and similar ones)comment carefully and make sense of it.

Quaker 09 Thanks for explaining Senator Biden’s possible motivation. I still think that he is a windbag – albeit a non-malicious one. I don’t base my opinion only on his silly quip about Indians and Dunkin’ Donuts.

I believe that anyone who ventures to characterize a large, diverse group of people by assigning narrow attributes (good, bad or indifferent) to its members, does so at his/her own peril. The result is often a demeaning and infantilizing one for the group and an embarrassing “foot in the mouth” for the speaker. Unless people explicitly define themselves as in the case of political or religious groups, we should not automatically presume anything about their interests, capabilities or their philosophies. Having seen this stereotyping game from both the negative and positive ends of the spectrum, I am convinced of its perniciousness. I would invite anyone who cares to look at yet another blog, to read my commentary on this matter which I posted a few months ago where I was actually responding to a Jewish co-blogger who was happy about positive Jewish stereotypes.

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/07/07/mmmm_foot_tasty_1/comment-page-2/#comment-71798 AK Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:46:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3556#comment-71798 <p>(i.e., your correction fits my point better.)</p> (i.e., your correction fits my point better.)

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