Comments on: There is no place like home for Raj Goyle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Larry Z http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-243869 Larry Z Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-243869 <p>I will never vote for anyone that is or was a member of the ACLU.</p> I will never vote for anyone that is or was a member of the ACLU.

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By: KansasTeacher4Kids http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-243831 KansasTeacher4Kids Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:42:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-243831 <p>Too bad the right-wing nuts are spreading lies:</p> <p>http://wichitaliberty.org/raj-goyle/raj-goyle-lecturer-wichita-state-university-sporadic/</p> Too bad the right-wing nuts are spreading lies:

http://wichitaliberty.org/raj-goyle/raj-goyle-lecturer-wichita-state-university-sporadic/

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By: Gargoyle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-243814 Gargoyle Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:25:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-243814 <p>Looks like Raj not only won two terms on the Kansas legislature, but <a href="http://www.swingstateproject.com/diary/5260/ks04-raj-goyle-d-will-run">plans to run for Congress</a> next year.</p> Looks like Raj not only won two terms on the Kansas legislature, but plans to run for Congress next year.

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-70296 AK Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:57:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-70296 <p><b><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003521.html#comment69906">"JokeStudy" Person</a></b>--</p> <blockquote>He and his co-authors arrived at that figure by assuming that the number of workplace detentions represented the U.S.'s best efforts at deporting illegalaliens caught working at job sites. Obvious to anyone who's been following this issue, anyone who makes that assumption isn't even trying to be intellectually honest. </blockquote> <p>Just to clarify, what baseline assumptions would you make instead concerning the "best efforts" to deport the undocumented?</p> “JokeStudy” Person

He and his co-authors arrived at that figure by assuming that the number of workplace detentions represented the U.S.’s best efforts at deporting illegalaliens caught working at job sites. Obvious to anyone who’s been following this issue, anyone who makes that assumption isn’t even trying to be intellectually honest.

Just to clarify, what baseline assumptions would you make instead concerning the “best efforts” to deport the undocumented?

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-70216 AK Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:09:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-70216 <p>KXB -</p> <blockquote>The shape of <strike>congressional</strike> [<u>legislative</u>] districts in Kansas would be the handiwork of the Kansas legislature. While DeLay was involved in reshaping Texas districts to suit Republican ends, trying to blame DeLay for what Kansas did is pretty farfetched. </blockquote> <p>Uh, as we say in the midwest, "duh," which is why I wasn't doing any such thing. My point was that while Abhi thinks this district in Kansas is ridiculous looking, it actually isn't, relatively speaking -- the districts in Texas are, by comparison, much worse (hence the link to the Texas district map). And that's directly relevant to the particular point made by Abhi.</p> <blockquote>And keep in mind, many states believe that in order to keep in line with the Voting Rights Act, they have to draw districts that will ensure at least one black (or in some cases Latino) member of Congress. This has the result cutting black voters off from whites, which limits the need for each side to reach out to the other. </blockquote> <p>I'm actually not sure if you mean to suggest this, but the Voting Rights Act is not the only or even the principal explanation for why and how most of these districts get drawn the way they do. (And in fact, the Supreme Court <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/washington/28cnd-scotus.html">today held</a> that the Texas map is not fully compliant with the VRA.) I think it's fair to say that partisan advantage and incumbency protection are still the driving forces -- the Voting Rights Act simply adds one additional constraint, and if those other factors played less of a role, we might well see very different district boundaries that would still be VRA-compliant.</p> KXB -

The shape of congressional [legislative] districts in Kansas would be the handiwork of the Kansas legislature. While DeLay was involved in reshaping Texas districts to suit Republican ends, trying to blame DeLay for what Kansas did is pretty farfetched.

Uh, as we say in the midwest, “duh,” which is why I wasn’t doing any such thing. My point was that while Abhi thinks this district in Kansas is ridiculous looking, it actually isn’t, relatively speaking — the districts in Texas are, by comparison, much worse (hence the link to the Texas district map). And that’s directly relevant to the particular point made by Abhi.

And keep in mind, many states believe that in order to keep in line with the Voting Rights Act, they have to draw districts that will ensure at least one black (or in some cases Latino) member of Congress. This has the result cutting black voters off from whites, which limits the need for each side to reach out to the other.

I’m actually not sure if you mean to suggest this, but the Voting Rights Act is not the only or even the principal explanation for why and how most of these districts get drawn the way they do. (And in fact, the Supreme Court today held that the Texas map is not fully compliant with the VRA.) I think it’s fair to say that partisan advantage and incumbency protection are still the driving forces — the Voting Rights Act simply adds one additional constraint, and if those other factors played less of a role, we might well see very different district boundaries that would still be VRA-compliant.

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By: Sriram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-70001 Sriram Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:47:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-70001 <p>Raj Goyle participated in a symposium on immigration reform that I organized in Fall 2005. Anyone who's interested can visit my <a href="http://www.law.umaryland.edu/journal/rrgc/past_symposia.asp">law journal's web site </a>to check it out.</p> Raj Goyle participated in a symposium on immigration reform that I organized in Fall 2005. Anyone who’s interested can visit my law journal’s web site to check it out.

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-69983 KXB Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:18:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-69983 <p><i>KXB, if you look closely, the link clicks to a boundary map of Texas. Which is probably why AK said Thanks Tom Delay.</i></p> <p>Gotcha - but I still don't see the point in bringing up DeLay or Jindal when discussing Goyle's candidacy.</p> KXB, if you look closely, the link clicks to a boundary map of Texas. Which is probably why AK said Thanks Tom Delay.

Gotcha – but I still don’t see the point in bringing up DeLay or Jindal when discussing Goyle’s candidacy.

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By: inothernews http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-69974 inothernews Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:25:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-69974 <p>KXB, if you look closely, the link clicks to a boundary map of Texas. Which is probably why AK said Thanks Tom Delay.</p> KXB, if you look closely, the link clicks to a boundary map of Texas. Which is probably why AK said Thanks Tom Delay.

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By: H1Biyatch http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-69965 H1Biyatch Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:05:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-69965 <p>Instead of handing out a Pindoo pass, we just hand out tiffin boxes. The desi who doesn't know how to manipulate the contraption and get their lunch out gets labelled Angrez-ki-dum (white man's tail) and Coconut.</p> Instead of handing out a Pindoo pass, we just hand out tiffin boxes. The desi who doesn’t know how to manipulate the contraption and get their lunch out gets labelled Angrez-ki-dum (white man’s tail) and Coconut.

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/there_is_no_pla_1/comment-page-1/#comment-69958 KXB Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:37:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3521#comment-69958 <p><i>Abhi, that district's pretty good -- the boundaries get even more bizarre than that. (Thanks, Tom DeLay!)</i></p> <p>The shape of congressional districts in Kansas would be the handiwork of the Kansas legislature. While DeLay was involved in reshaping Texas districts to suit Republican ends, trying to blame DeLay for what Kansas did is pretty farfetched. And keep in mind, many states believe that in order to keep in line with the Voting Rights Act, they have to draw districts that will ensure at least one black (or in some cases Latino) member of Congress. This has the result cutting black voters off from whites, which limits the need for each side to reach out to the other.</p> <p><i>Still, crossing my fingers that he wins, and finally brings some real brownness to the House (Bobby Jindal does not count).</i></p> <p>Hmm... if black folks can issue a "ghetto pass" for those who are "authentically black" or "down with the peeps", what do Indians hand out? Come one now - if you want to grab a piece of the grievances pie, you have to come up with something clever.</p> Abhi, that district’s pretty good — the boundaries get even more bizarre than that. (Thanks, Tom DeLay!)

The shape of congressional districts in Kansas would be the handiwork of the Kansas legislature. While DeLay was involved in reshaping Texas districts to suit Republican ends, trying to blame DeLay for what Kansas did is pretty farfetched. And keep in mind, many states believe that in order to keep in line with the Voting Rights Act, they have to draw districts that will ensure at least one black (or in some cases Latino) member of Congress. This has the result cutting black voters off from whites, which limits the need for each side to reach out to the other.

Still, crossing my fingers that he wins, and finally brings some real brownness to the House (Bobby Jindal does not count).

Hmm… if black folks can issue a “ghetto pass” for those who are “authentically black” or “down with the peeps”, what do Indians hand out? Come one now – if you want to grab a piece of the grievances pie, you have to come up with something clever.

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