Comments on: Bo-ne Head http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Apu_is_innocent http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70437 Apu_is_innocent Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:06:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70437 <p>As much as I deplore it, FOX News is a business, and Rupert Murdoch is all about business - as his recent fundraiser for Hillary Clinton attests to.</p> <p>If he really cared about the pseudo moral values the right throws to its sheeples, Fox would not have been the one to bring this country products like Married With Children and The Simpsons.</p> <p>If the tide turns enough in this country, as the polls are starting to show, it will be Colmes & Hannity, not Hannity & Colmes, etc. before you know it! ;-)</p> <p>Rupert loves the dollar, not Falwell/Rove/Dobson/O'Reilly or any other right-winger.</p> <p>In the meantime, the damage is done on a daily basis...</p> As much as I deplore it, FOX News is a business, and Rupert Murdoch is all about business – as his recent fundraiser for Hillary Clinton attests to.

If he really cared about the pseudo moral values the right throws to its sheeples, Fox would not have been the one to bring this country products like Married With Children and The Simpsons.

If the tide turns enough in this country, as the polls are starting to show, it will be Colmes & Hannity, not Hannity & Colmes, etc. before you know it! ;-)

Rupert loves the dollar, not Falwell/Rove/Dobson/O’Reilly or any other right-winger.

In the meantime, the damage is done on a daily basis…

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By: Apu_is_innocent http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70436 Apu_is_innocent Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:02:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70436 <p>Sadly, FOX's ratings matter little thanks to the economics of basic cable. Excerpt from a post at HuffPo today:</p> <p>LIBERALS ARE SUPPORTING FOX NEWS CHANNEL</p> <p>Most people do not understand the economics of cable TV. Free TV depends exclusively on advertising as its source of revenue. On the other hand, most of the revenue for cable/satellite channels comes from the subscribers. Although advertising is a good source of revenue for cable/satellite, it is not the most important source. That is why MSNBC and CNN can survive without any good content. The only news show on MSNBC that is worth watching is Keith Oberman. And ratings do not make much difference because MSNBC, CNN, and FOX get a fixed dollar amount per subscriber from the cable carrier. The same model also applies to satellite TV...</p> <p>...When Donahue was cancelled by MSNBC in 2003, it was the highest rated show on MSNBC. The problem with Donahue was that he was a liberal and anti-war. Hardball barely has an audience but there is no real consequence to NBC and its parent GE. MSNBC will still get its share of subscriber revenue even with the low ratings it has. That is a small price to pay for GE, one of the largest contractors for the DOD to keep in good standing with the Bush Administration. It is time to send a message to these cable/satellite carriers who are giving us substandard content and news that violates our own beliefs such as FNC.</p> Sadly, FOX’s ratings matter little thanks to the economics of basic cable. Excerpt from a post at HuffPo today:

LIBERALS ARE SUPPORTING FOX NEWS CHANNEL

Most people do not understand the economics of cable TV. Free TV depends exclusively on advertising as its source of revenue. On the other hand, most of the revenue for cable/satellite channels comes from the subscribers. Although advertising is a good source of revenue for cable/satellite, it is not the most important source. That is why MSNBC and CNN can survive without any good content. The only news show on MSNBC that is worth watching is Keith Oberman. And ratings do not make much difference because MSNBC, CNN, and FOX get a fixed dollar amount per subscriber from the cable carrier. The same model also applies to satellite TV…

…When Donahue was cancelled by MSNBC in 2003, it was the highest rated show on MSNBC. The problem with Donahue was that he was a liberal and anti-war. Hardball barely has an audience but there is no real consequence to NBC and its parent GE. MSNBC will still get its share of subscriber revenue even with the low ratings it has. That is a small price to pay for GE, one of the largest contractors for the DOD to keep in good standing with the Bush Administration. It is time to send a message to these cable/satellite carriers who are giving us substandard content and news that violates our own beliefs such as FNC.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70397 Manju Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:44:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70397 <blockquote>Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.</blockquote> <p>I think Fox News has actually expanded the debate on both sides to include people not regularly heard in the mainstream media. I remember seeing individuals from the New Black Panther Party on quite often. Then I was shocked to see my old professor, Howard Zinn, on (o'reilly i think). I used to think they do this in order to equate liberals with the most extreme left, therby scaring the american center; but now I see this guy on. Next up, david duke.</p> Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.

I think Fox News has actually expanded the debate on both sides to include people not regularly heard in the mainstream media. I remember seeing individuals from the New Black Panther Party on quite often. Then I was shocked to see my old professor, Howard Zinn, on (o’reilly i think). I used to think they do this in order to equate liberals with the most extreme left, therby scaring the american center; but now I see this guy on. Next up, david duke.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70395 RC Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:29:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70395 <p>And just may be we can get our recently crowned superstar lawyer Neal Katyal to present it in the Supreme Court :-)</p> And just may be we can get our recently crowned superstar lawyer Neal Katyal to present it in the Supreme Court :-)

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70394 RC Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:27:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70394 <blockquote> Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.</blockquote> <p>I think this should be done. If tobacco companies can be sued endlessly for "killing" people, then Fox News can be sued for inciting hatred that ends in killings of Desis. Tobacco companies started putting warnings on the smoke pack since 40 years and still they can be sued.</p> <p>Ek Aurat, May be in your spare time you should look into the possibility, as you are an attorney, you are more qualified on this than I am.</p> Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.

I think this should be done. If tobacco companies can be sued endlessly for “killing” people, then Fox News can be sued for inciting hatred that ends in killings of Desis. Tobacco companies started putting warnings on the smoke pack since 40 years and still they can be sued.

Ek Aurat, May be in your spare time you should look into the possibility, as you are an attorney, you are more qualified on this than I am.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70377 MoorNam Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:27:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70377 <p>Ek Aurat,</p> <p>What was your reply to them? If I were you, I would have asked for their Passport, Social Security Card and Driver's License, so that I could call the authorities to verify if they were forged or not.</p> <p>I hope you took a very strong stand - being a desi attorney, you are better equipped to do that.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p><i>Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech</i>.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Censured by who?</p> <p>M. Nam</p> Ek Aurat,

What was your reply to them? If I were you, I would have asked for their Passport, Social Security Card and Driver’s License, so that I could call the authorities to verify if they were forged or not.

I hope you took a very strong stand – being a desi attorney, you are better equipped to do that.

Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.

Censured by who?

M. Nam

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By: siddhartha m http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70374 siddhartha m Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:20:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70374 <p>thanks for sharing, ek aurat. what an unpleasant experience.</p> thanks for sharing, ek aurat. what an unpleasant experience.

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By: Ek Aurat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70367 Ek Aurat Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:43:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70367 <p>I am not laughing. It is pathetic. Last week I was having lunch outside in the park when someone approached me to ask if I had immigrated legally to this country. They probably thought I was Spanish speaking since they were holding up signs like "This state is not a Mexican colony" - but the gall! To stop two brown attorneys and ask us these questions illustrates the mood in this country. I can't imagine what would have happened if it was not lunch time in a very public area. What happens at the 7-11 at midnight with the clerk who cannot speak perfect English and the gun -toting customer who ask these questions? We have all read about it and we will probably read about it again. Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.</p> I am not laughing. It is pathetic. Last week I was having lunch outside in the park when someone approached me to ask if I had immigrated legally to this country. They probably thought I was Spanish speaking since they were holding up signs like “This state is not a Mexican colony” – but the gall! To stop two brown attorneys and ask us these questions illustrates the mood in this country. I can’t imagine what would have happened if it was not lunch time in a very public area. What happens at the 7-11 at midnight with the clerk who cannot speak perfect English and the gun -toting customer who ask these questions? We have all read about it and we will probably read about it again. Fox News should be censured for propagating this hate speech.

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By: siddhartha m http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70350 siddhartha m Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70350 <p>it seems that the arrested characters were a mainly haitian group of nutty millenarian martial-arts enthusiasts who were believers is some version of the Universal Moorish Science Temple, a group that was set up in the post-Reconstruction era by a man whose name was Drew something-or-other (too lazy to look it up, but you can) who styled himself "Noble Drew Ali." The Moorish was a romanticised reference to the African origins of black people in America, as well as justification to wear cool headgear, especially fezzes. this was one of the first but by no means last such groups to spring up in black America in America after the end of slavery and later, the Great Migration, resulted in the formation of large urban black communities, free by law but coping with the intensification of racial barriers in the Jim Crow era.</p> <p>later, another such group sprung up in Depression-era Detroit led by a mysterious "prophet" W. D. Fard, who went around converting people to his own self-styled form of Islam, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Quran or anything else. "Islam" was a was of claiming belonging to a larger and global community with a spiritual dimension, an attractive mental escape from the conditions of daily life. Fard eventually vanished without a trace, but his chief disciple, Elijah Poole, built the movement as Elijah Mohammed; this is the birth of the Nation of Islam.</p> <p>the Nation itself has had various offshoots of different degrees of seriousness and credibility of purpose, from those seeking a latter-day connection with actual Islam (adopting the Quran, performing Haj, and abjuring the doctrine and cosmology of the Nation), to the ghetto-anarchism of the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths. other movements have sprung up at various times that don't stem from the Nation but respond to similar impetuses; all of them have in common their invocation of belonging to one -- sometimes several -- of the three major monotheistic religions. perhaps the most visible today in Americaqn cities are the "Hebrew Israelites" who stand at street corners in places like Watts or 125th Street and harangue onlookers, wearing robes and headdresses, one member reading from a scripture book, a second commenting the readings, and the others standing around in vague formation. the Hebrew Israelites have an excellent chart they often display that ientifies the latter-day descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel as respectively Pureto Ricans, Dominicans, Africans, etc etc.</p> <p>it appears that the brothers in that warehouse in Miami were some such group, whether directly identified with the Universal Moorish Temple (which I wasn't aware was still around) or claiming a connection to it in their own minds. as others have noted and even the Administration has conceded, they had no weapons, plans or documented contact with anyone known to be actually dangerous, let alone al-Qaida, and everything they did that has been consiered incrimination was at the behest of the FBI agents infiltrating them. their "paramilitary exercises" were martial arts, meaning that anything happening at your neighborhood tae kwon do studio could be considered proof of terrorist intent. it's so farcical, it's amazing.</p> <p>peace</p> it seems that the arrested characters were a mainly haitian group of nutty millenarian martial-arts enthusiasts who were believers is some version of the Universal Moorish Science Temple, a group that was set up in the post-Reconstruction era by a man whose name was Drew something-or-other (too lazy to look it up, but you can) who styled himself “Noble Drew Ali.” The Moorish was a romanticised reference to the African origins of black people in America, as well as justification to wear cool headgear, especially fezzes. this was one of the first but by no means last such groups to spring up in black America in America after the end of slavery and later, the Great Migration, resulted in the formation of large urban black communities, free by law but coping with the intensification of racial barriers in the Jim Crow era.

later, another such group sprung up in Depression-era Detroit led by a mysterious “prophet” W. D. Fard, who went around converting people to his own self-styled form of Islam, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Quran or anything else. “Islam” was a was of claiming belonging to a larger and global community with a spiritual dimension, an attractive mental escape from the conditions of daily life. Fard eventually vanished without a trace, but his chief disciple, Elijah Poole, built the movement as Elijah Mohammed; this is the birth of the Nation of Islam.

the Nation itself has had various offshoots of different degrees of seriousness and credibility of purpose, from those seeking a latter-day connection with actual Islam (adopting the Quran, performing Haj, and abjuring the doctrine and cosmology of the Nation), to the ghetto-anarchism of the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths. other movements have sprung up at various times that don’t stem from the Nation but respond to similar impetuses; all of them have in common their invocation of belonging to one — sometimes several — of the three major monotheistic religions. perhaps the most visible today in Americaqn cities are the “Hebrew Israelites” who stand at street corners in places like Watts or 125th Street and harangue onlookers, wearing robes and headdresses, one member reading from a scripture book, a second commenting the readings, and the others standing around in vague formation. the Hebrew Israelites have an excellent chart they often display that ientifies the latter-day descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel as respectively Pureto Ricans, Dominicans, Africans, etc etc.

it appears that the brothers in that warehouse in Miami were some such group, whether directly identified with the Universal Moorish Temple (which I wasn’t aware was still around) or claiming a connection to it in their own minds. as others have noted and even the Administration has conceded, they had no weapons, plans or documented contact with anyone known to be actually dangerous, let alone al-Qaida, and everything they did that has been consiered incrimination was at the behest of the FBI agents infiltrating them. their “paramilitary exercises” were martial arts, meaning that anything happening at your neighborhood tae kwon do studio could be considered proof of terrorist intent. it’s so farcical, it’s amazing.

peace

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By: Saurav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/27/bone_head/comment-page-1/#comment-70329 Saurav Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:09:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3526#comment-70329 <blockquote>Weren't the guys they arrested actually some kind of Christian/Jewish cult?</blockquote> <p>Yes. More importantly, they weren't part of an international terror circuit. But why let facts get in the way when there's another government scandal to bump off the news pages? :)</p> <blockquote><a href="http://artvoice.com/issues/v5n26/not_quite_jihad">By Friday afternoon</a>, Dick Cheney was hitting the Republican fundraising circuit in Illinois, praising government agents for thwarting this would-be, Miami-based invasion of the American homeland. By evening, all the news chatter about Bush administration spying scandals had given way to a Code Red regimen of fear and disdain for our own civil liberties. Without Big BrotherÂ’s watchful eye, Al Qaeda would have just taken out the Sears Tower along with five, we came to learn, FBI buildings across the US. Go stick that to your naïve, Constitution-loving social studies teacher. Bush uber alles! Save the Sears Tower. Upon closer examination of the indictment, however, it seems the supposed warriors had no weapons, no plans to obtain explosives, had never been to Chicago and didnÂ’t even have maps of Chicago. Their only al Qaeda connection was with a member of the FBIÂ’s South Florida Terrorist Task Force. The Miami Cell, it turns out, is a group of seven Haitian immigrants and Haitian-Americans, most with backgrounds in petty crime and street names such as Brother Rot and Brother Naudy. Their supposed leader, Narseal Batiste, also known as Prince Manna, is the aforementioned Moses figure who wandered the neighborhood in robes and capes, sometimes wearing odd headgear, preaching a homemade Judeo-Christian hybrid religion. If you think this doesnÂ’t jibe well with al Qaeda mythology, read on. When the FBI raided the homes of the supposed terrorists, they found no weapons, which, quite frankly, is rather odd in South Florida. And they had no explosives. Not even, it appears, any books on how to make explosives. Not even an Internet post on how to make a Diet Pepsi-Mentos rocket.</blockquote> Weren’t the guys they arrested actually some kind of Christian/Jewish cult?

Yes. More importantly, they weren’t part of an international terror circuit. But why let facts get in the way when there’s another government scandal to bump off the news pages? :)

By Friday afternoon, Dick Cheney was hitting the Republican fundraising circuit in Illinois, praising government agents for thwarting this would-be, Miami-based invasion of the American homeland. By evening, all the news chatter about Bush administration spying scandals had given way to a Code Red regimen of fear and disdain for our own civil liberties. Without Big Brother’s watchful eye, Al Qaeda would have just taken out the Sears Tower along with five, we came to learn, FBI buildings across the US. Go stick that to your naïve, Constitution-loving social studies teacher. Bush uber alles! Save the Sears Tower. Upon closer examination of the indictment, however, it seems the supposed warriors had no weapons, no plans to obtain explosives, had never been to Chicago and didn’t even have maps of Chicago. Their only al Qaeda connection was with a member of the FBI’s South Florida Terrorist Task Force. The Miami Cell, it turns out, is a group of seven Haitian immigrants and Haitian-Americans, most with backgrounds in petty crime and street names such as Brother Rot and Brother Naudy. Their supposed leader, Narseal Batiste, also known as Prince Manna, is the aforementioned Moses figure who wandered the neighborhood in robes and capes, sometimes wearing odd headgear, preaching a homemade Judeo-Christian hybrid religion. If you think this doesn’t jibe well with al Qaeda mythology, read on. When the FBI raided the homes of the supposed terrorists, they found no weapons, which, quite frankly, is rather odd in South Florida. And they had no explosives. Not even, it appears, any books on how to make explosives. Not even an Internet post on how to make a Diet Pepsi-Mentos rocket.
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