Comments on: Today’s Carnegies? [Was “More money for karmaceuticals”] http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: FARZANA YASMIN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-205351 FARZANA YASMIN Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:35:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-205351 <p>TO,</p> <pre><code> Honourable Sir With due respect, I submit few lines for your kind consideration. I have come to know through reliable sources and press media that you are devoted service for the well being of human right . I have poor family my childern are going to school and collage. Incidentally I may submit that I have a large poor family. Therefore there is no financial support for me. Please financial help me, I will not only be a great relief to a poor family but will also be a great act of charity on your honour part. Iam waiting your favouable reply. I reqest you pleas help me for purpose of this letter and mot disappoint me. With best regards. contact me. Yours faithfully, Mrs Farzana yasmin . C/O Khursheed Alam . E-158/A Satelite Town, Rawalpindi (Pakistan) HarrisAlam 333@hotmail.com. </code></pre> TO,

   Honourable Sir
                             With due respect, I submit few lines for your kind consideration. I have 
                   come to know through reliable sources and press media that you are devoted 
                   service for the well being of human right .
                             I have poor family my childern are going to school and collage.
                             Incidentally I may submit that I have a large poor family.
                    Therefore there is no financial support for me. Please financial help me, I will 
                     not only be a great relief to a poor family but will also be a great act of charity
                     on your honour part. Iam waiting your favouable reply.

                            I reqest you pleas help me for purpose of this letter and mot disappoint me.

                                                                                               With best regards.
                                                                  contact me.
                                                                                                                       Yours faithfully,
                                                                                                                        Mrs Farzana yasmin .
                                                                                                                        C/O Khursheed Alam .
                                                                                                                        E-158/A Satelite Town,
                                                                                                                        Rawalpindi (Pakistan)
                                                                                       HarrisAlam 333@hotmail.com.                                                                                                        
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By: Tanya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-71583 Tanya Sun, 09 Jul 2006 05:21:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-71583 <p>Well I read a couple of these comments, and I'd just like to say we're not rich, and we're brown, but we give all the time, sometimes more than we can afford,and if more people like us gave some of their nothing away, they wouldn't worry about what the rich people are doing. By the way we are brown, south of the boarder, and I don't mean china.</p> Well I read a couple of these comments, and I’d just like to say we’re not rich, and we’re brown, but we give all the time, sometimes more than we can afford,and if more people like us gave some of their nothing away, they wouldn’t worry about what the rich people are doing. By the way we are brown, south of the boarder, and I don’t mean china.

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By: Wantok http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-70040 Wantok Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:51:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-70040 <blockquote>Hmm. I think it's pretty obvious that we're going to get mired down in distinction and pointless arguing unless we acknowledge that we have no statistical data about this one way or the other. </blockquote> <p>True. If we were to assume that Indians did give less based on anecdotal evidence, it might be explained by the insecurities regarding money that are created in a developing country. Growing up with a stark reminder of poverty <b>might</b> make it harder to give away the money you have.</p> Hmm. I think it’s pretty obvious that we’re going to get mired down in distinction and pointless arguing unless we acknowledge that we have no statistical data about this one way or the other.

True. If we were to assume that Indians did give less based on anecdotal evidence, it might be explained by the insecurities regarding money that are created in a developing country. Growing up with a stark reminder of poverty might make it harder to give away the money you have.

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-70020 voiceinthehead Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:59:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-70020 <h1>60</h1> <p>When the Gujarat EQ happened, we raised close to $20k in a small univ town. Most people donating were undergrads with loose change. When we organise Indian luncheons/classical art programs most people attending them are again americans. Indians are mostly absent (barely 20-30% of audience). Unless there is a calamity Indians donot donate, though they know very well that life is a disaster for these people with or without a calamity. 2. There are some Indians here who donate regularly large amounts, but they are generally older generation and have been here for a long time. 3. I thought that maybe these people are donating to other charities or are students and hence donot have enough money to donate. I have talked to some of them and that is not the case. These people drive around in cars, eat at restaurant or go to a movie everyweek, but have never given</p> 60

When the Gujarat EQ happened, we raised close to $20k in a small univ town. Most people donating were undergrads with loose change. When we organise Indian luncheons/classical art programs most people attending them are again americans. Indians are mostly absent (barely 20-30% of audience). Unless there is a calamity Indians donot donate, though they know very well that life is a disaster for these people with or without a calamity. 2. There are some Indians here who donate regularly large amounts, but they are generally older generation and have been here for a long time. 3. I thought that maybe these people are donating to other charities or are students and hence donot have enough money to donate. I have talked to some of them and that is not the case. These people drive around in cars, eat at restaurant or go to a movie everyweek, but have never given

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By: Floridian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69972 Floridian Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:23:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69972 <p>Indian charity is directed to relatives and friends, western charity to institutions and people one does not even know. It's a fundamental cultural difference, manifested in many other areas such as the Indian penchant for telling everything to close relatives and the American habit of telling everything to the person in the next seat on a flight but absolutely nothing to your own brother.</p> <p>Just look at how generously Indians help their relatives. We will keep an entire needy family under our roof until they can afford a place of their own even if it involves making our own kids suffer. But give to United Way? Sorry, we already gave at home.</p> <p>I think it is this cultural bias towards the near and dear vs. the anonymous and the institutional that explains the obvious callousness of people in India to strangers. Yes, Indians would not go out of their way to help strangers but they will give the "banians" off their backs to a friend or relative. Americans, on the other hand, would dole out an equal measure of good samaritanism to a large number of strangers - but will not give all to anyone, even their next of kin.</p> <p>This cultural difference was explained to me 33 years ago when I first set foot in America as a young kid, fresh off the boat - actually, an Air India flight. An Indian friend who had already lived here for a few years took me under his wings and proceeded to teach me the subtleties of friendship American style vs. what I was used to. His point was that friendship in the western sense is more about shared experiences and not necessarily about sacrifices. Having made many American friends in my 33 years in this great country, I still find his point to ring true. Incidentally, I am not being judgmental about either of the two cultures. They are what they are.</p> <p>Getting back to the brown charity issue, let's not forget the Indian custom of donating generously to temples, swamis and gurus. Just go to your nearest temple and read the long list of donors. The churches are lucky to get a few dollars from each family after the Sunday service.</p> Indian charity is directed to relatives and friends, western charity to institutions and people one does not even know. It’s a fundamental cultural difference, manifested in many other areas such as the Indian penchant for telling everything to close relatives and the American habit of telling everything to the person in the next seat on a flight but absolutely nothing to your own brother.

Just look at how generously Indians help their relatives. We will keep an entire needy family under our roof until they can afford a place of their own even if it involves making our own kids suffer. But give to United Way? Sorry, we already gave at home.

I think it is this cultural bias towards the near and dear vs. the anonymous and the institutional that explains the obvious callousness of people in India to strangers. Yes, Indians would not go out of their way to help strangers but they will give the “banians” off their backs to a friend or relative. Americans, on the other hand, would dole out an equal measure of good samaritanism to a large number of strangers – but will not give all to anyone, even their next of kin.

This cultural difference was explained to me 33 years ago when I first set foot in America as a young kid, fresh off the boat – actually, an Air India flight. An Indian friend who had already lived here for a few years took me under his wings and proceeded to teach me the subtleties of friendship American style vs. what I was used to. His point was that friendship in the western sense is more about shared experiences and not necessarily about sacrifices. Having made many American friends in my 33 years in this great country, I still find his point to ring true. Incidentally, I am not being judgmental about either of the two cultures. They are what they are.

Getting back to the brown charity issue, let’s not forget the Indian custom of donating generously to temples, swamis and gurus. Just go to your nearest temple and read the long list of donors. The churches are lucky to get a few dollars from each family after the Sunday service.

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69919 Neale Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:07:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69919 <p>Re #58 . Thats a very judjemental statment for such a subjective issue. What is the experience you are referring to? Or is it a voice in your head?</p> Re #58 . Thats a very judjemental statment for such a subjective issue. What is the experience you are referring to? Or is it a voice in your head?

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By: alybaba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69904 alybaba Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:14:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69904 <p>Brown people = noveau rich</p> Brown people = noveau rich

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69901 voiceinthehead Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:57:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69901 <p>From my experience working with an Indian charity organisation in US, Indians(fobs) are definetly less charitable. I am talking about normal middle class people. Most of our fundraising events are attended by more americans than the Indians. Among Indians there is general apathy towards charity. People think unless they are filthy rich they cannot donate. The idea of giving a tiny share of whatever/however much you earn to community is absent. The idea of community is absent, even among people who are otherwise very helpful for friends and family.</p> <p>One reason could be that it needs considerable effort to identify a good and honest charity in India. But that alone cannot account for the monumental apathy.</p> From my experience working with an Indian charity organisation in US, Indians(fobs) are definetly less charitable. I am talking about normal middle class people. Most of our fundraising events are attended by more americans than the Indians. Among Indians there is general apathy towards charity. People think unless they are filthy rich they cannot donate. The idea of giving a tiny share of whatever/however much you earn to community is absent. The idea of community is absent, even among people who are otherwise very helpful for friends and family.

One reason could be that it needs considerable effort to identify a good and honest charity in India. But that alone cannot account for the monumental apathy.

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69849 Whose God is it anyways? Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:03:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69849 <p>"where is the money contributed to the local mandir going?"</p> <p>if you want to know where the money collected at many of india's most prominent and wealthiest hindu temples and not-so-prominent ones go, just ask the indian government, which controls it. it would be interesting to see how transparent they are about what they do with every rupee collected from temples.</p> “where is the money contributed to the local mandir going?”

if you want to know where the money collected at many of india’s most prominent and wealthiest hindu temples and not-so-prominent ones go, just ask the indian government, which controls it. it would be interesting to see how transparent they are about what they do with every rupee collected from temples.

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By: Al beruni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/25/more_money_for/comment-page-2/#comment-69848 Al beruni Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:56:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3515#comment-69848 <blockquote>Why? Isn't the point of charity that it goes to the most needy, not to those closest to us? Otherwise it degenerates into an extended kitty party.</blockquote> <p>'</p> <p>Hmmm.... this sounds a little prescriptive to me. People should be free to donate to those groups who they feel are effective/appropriate/whatever. In the indian context, there is a need for more transparency and clarity (where is the money contributed to the local mandir going? How many people were fed last year? How many scholarships did so-and-so samaj provide?), other than that I think the community-based indic model is actually quite good.</p> Why? Isn’t the point of charity that it goes to the most needy, not to those closest to us? Otherwise it degenerates into an extended kitty party.

Hmmm…. this sounds a little prescriptive to me. People should be free to donate to those groups who they feel are effective/appropriate/whatever. In the indian context, there is a need for more transparency and clarity (where is the money contributed to the local mandir going? How many people were fed last year? How many scholarships did so-and-so samaj provide?), other than that I think the community-based indic model is actually quite good.

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