Comments on: Is it Possible to Justify Corruption in Some Cases? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bharati singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-279166 bharati singh Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:07:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-279166 <p>I am facing corruption in every step of my legal right over kharagpur,west Bengal.when we are complaining the higher authorities the official people is also set over there,The whole thing is that we must earn money so that in each and every step we can rule as God or the society may put u out just as a fly in milk.I have many evidences but i cant prove any becos our corrupted systems</p> I am facing corruption in every step of my legal right over kharagpur,west Bengal.when we are complaining the higher authorities the official people is also set over there,The whole thing is that we must earn money so that in each and every step we can rule as God or the society may put u out just as a fly in milk.I have many evidences but i cant prove any becos our corrupted systems

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By: Idnod http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-278133 Idnod Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:45:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-278133 <p>Corruption feeds corruption, those who succumb into paying are not victims but accomplices.</p> <p>Corruption can and will always be justified only by the corrupt - there are choices to avert being one.</p> Corruption feeds corruption, those who succumb into paying are not victims but accomplices.

Corruption can and will always be justified only by the corrupt – there are choices to avert being one.

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By: Sean http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-193546 Sean Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:36:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-193546 <p>Supporters of Immigration Fraud</p> <p>An immigration advocacy group called "Civil Society Helps" and attorney Martha J Sullivan help perpetuate fraud against U.S. citizens. See http://www.marthasullivanlaw.com for more information about the immigration fraud these kind of groups help facilitate.</p> <p>With false accusations from an immigrant residency seeker, a stable American citizen can be reduced to living in poverty. All of your assets can be seized and given to the residency seeker even if you are not found guilty. You will immediately be forced to surrender a portion of your income to the residency seeker. The courts may order you to turn your motor vehicle over to the residency seeker even if the car is in your name and the residency seeker does not have a drivers license. Your immigrant spouse becomes legal and you become illegal. The court system will abuse you and strip you of your rights while social programs that promote immigration fraud thrive.</p> <p>Attorney Martha J. Sullivan - VAWA and Immigration Advocate (651) 438-9992 1317 Vermillion St Hastings, MN 55033 Web: http://www.marthasullivanlaw.com</p> <p>Civil Society Helps - Immigration Advocacy Group 1st National Bank Building 332 Minnesota St, Suite E-1436 Saint Paul, MN 55101 Phone: (651) 291-0713 Fax: (651) 291-2588 Web: http://civilsocietyhelps.org</p> Supporters of Immigration Fraud

An immigration advocacy group called “Civil Society Helps” and attorney Martha J Sullivan help perpetuate fraud against U.S. citizens. See http://www.marthasullivanlaw.com for more information about the immigration fraud these kind of groups help facilitate.

With false accusations from an immigrant residency seeker, a stable American citizen can be reduced to living in poverty. All of your assets can be seized and given to the residency seeker even if you are not found guilty. You will immediately be forced to surrender a portion of your income to the residency seeker. The courts may order you to turn your motor vehicle over to the residency seeker even if the car is in your name and the residency seeker does not have a drivers license. Your immigrant spouse becomes legal and you become illegal. The court system will abuse you and strip you of your rights while social programs that promote immigration fraud thrive.

Attorney Martha J. Sullivan – VAWA and Immigration Advocate (651) 438-9992 1317 Vermillion St Hastings, MN 55033 Web: http://www.marthasullivanlaw.com

Civil Society Helps – Immigration Advocacy Group 1st National Bank Building 332 Minnesota St, Suite E-1436 Saint Paul, MN 55101 Phone: (651) 291-0713 Fax: (651) 291-2588 Web: http://civilsocietyhelps.org

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69664 Jai Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:31:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69664 <blockquote>Is it Possible to Justify Corruption in Some Cases?</blockquote> <p>Rationalise and/or excuse, Yes. "Justify", No.</p> <blockquote>How do some societies end up corrupt while others are “clean”? </blockquote> <p>More tolerance for corruption on a political and/or societal level. Plus "trickle-down effect" etc.</p> Is it Possible to Justify Corruption in Some Cases?

Rationalise and/or excuse, Yes. “Justify”, No.

How do some societies end up corrupt while others are “clean”?

More tolerance for corruption on a political and/or societal level. Plus “trickle-down effect” etc.

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By: ngm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69620 ngm Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:32:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69620 <blockquote>Yes, the INS/USCIS is one bureaucratic system that desperately needs an "express" service</blockquote> <p>Actually, the INS has been offering expedited service for H-1B processing, at the rate of $1000 dollars or so (processing time goes down to a week or two).</p> Yes, the INS/USCIS is one bureaucratic system that desperately needs an “express” service

Actually, the INS has been offering expedited service for H-1B processing, at the rate of $1000 dollars or so (processing time goes down to a week or two).

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By: Saurav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69611 Saurav Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:44:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69611 <blockquote>basically we're talking about a form of privatization here, not "corruption" per se. some of these initiatives make sense to me, like the fast lanes on the highway -- it's all about the economics of resource use. others seem deeply undemocratic. i guess the key is that privatization be accountable. privatization to the benefit of a private monopoly is no progress.</blockquote> <p>Another issue, which is closely tied to privatization, is that attaching a monetary value to how quickly and how well you receive a service inherently privileges those who have the money. So this might not matter if it's a fairly low amount (although even that, I would imagine, adds up over time) relative to how much people earn, but if it costs, say, $200,000 to get your Parliamentarian to support the tax policy you support, that's inherently regressive. And gross.</p> <p>It also creates another value system which might get obscured by the money. For example, there is already fast tracking in U.S. immigration policy--if you're a spouse of a U.S. citizen, you'll get a greencard much faster than if you're a sibling of a greencard holder. If you have a lot of connections that can vouch for you, you'll probably get a visa more quickly than your average person outside the United States. And of course what country you hold citizenship of changes things dramatically.</p> <p>Adding an express lane to the green card application processing, however, seems like it would just shift the problem from some and leave the remainder behind (and even worse off), given what the priorities of the immigration system overall seem to be. The real problem with USCIS (and really the whole immigration system) imo is that the bureaucracy is not sturcturally accountable to the people it's supposed to serve.</p> basically we’re talking about a form of privatization here, not “corruption” per se. some of these initiatives make sense to me, like the fast lanes on the highway — it’s all about the economics of resource use. others seem deeply undemocratic. i guess the key is that privatization be accountable. privatization to the benefit of a private monopoly is no progress.

Another issue, which is closely tied to privatization, is that attaching a monetary value to how quickly and how well you receive a service inherently privileges those who have the money. So this might not matter if it’s a fairly low amount (although even that, I would imagine, adds up over time) relative to how much people earn, but if it costs, say, $200,000 to get your Parliamentarian to support the tax policy you support, that’s inherently regressive. And gross.

It also creates another value system which might get obscured by the money. For example, there is already fast tracking in U.S. immigration policy–if you’re a spouse of a U.S. citizen, you’ll get a greencard much faster than if you’re a sibling of a greencard holder. If you have a lot of connections that can vouch for you, you’ll probably get a visa more quickly than your average person outside the United States. And of course what country you hold citizenship of changes things dramatically.

Adding an express lane to the green card application processing, however, seems like it would just shift the problem from some and leave the remainder behind (and even worse off), given what the priorities of the immigration system overall seem to be. The real problem with USCIS (and really the whole immigration system) imo is that the bureaucracy is not sturcturally accountable to the people it’s supposed to serve.

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69584 siddhartha Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:47:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69584 <p>basically we're talking about a form of privatization here, not "corruption" per se. some of these initiatives make sense to me, like the fast lanes on the highway -- it's all about the economics of resource use. others seem deeply undemocratic. i guess the key is that privatization be accountable. privatization to the benefit of a private monopoly is no progress.</p> basically we’re talking about a form of privatization here, not “corruption” per se. some of these initiatives make sense to me, like the fast lanes on the highway — it’s all about the economics of resource use. others seem deeply undemocratic. i guess the key is that privatization be accountable. privatization to the benefit of a private monopoly is no progress.

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By: Mr Kobayashi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69578 Mr Kobayashi Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:20:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69578 <p>Corruption is a serious problem in many countries. It leads to inefficiency, it punishes the poor, and, most troublingly to me, routinely makes ordinary interactions between citizens hostile. IÂ’ve seen this so many times that its almost obvious to me that petty corruption on a mass scale can make a society unpleasant to live in.</p> <p>What many of the comments to AmardeepÂ’s post suggest is that corruption can be rampant without being a serious problem. Without being a problem, even. Functioning, rather, as a solution. This is interesting.</p> <p>My instinct is to disagree, but IÂ’m sure I need to think a great deal more about it.</p> Corruption is a serious problem in many countries. It leads to inefficiency, it punishes the poor, and, most troublingly to me, routinely makes ordinary interactions between citizens hostile. IÂ’ve seen this so many times that its almost obvious to me that petty corruption on a mass scale can make a society unpleasant to live in.

What many of the comments to AmardeepÂ’s post suggest is that corruption can be rampant without being a serious problem. Without being a problem, even. Functioning, rather, as a solution. This is interesting.

My instinct is to disagree, but IÂ’m sure I need to think a great deal more about it.

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By: Ritam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69569 Ritam Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:47:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69569 <p>The fact that there is an "E-Z Pay" line at Tirupati temple just makes me want to heave.</p> The fact that there is an “E-Z Pay” line at Tirupati temple just makes me want to heave.

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/23/is_it_possible/comment-page-1/#comment-69568 Whose God is it anyways? Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:39:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3508#comment-69568 <p>rc, yes, as desi nole says, tirupathi also has this system and, again, it doesn't really make the wait more efficient for the majority of devotees.</p> rc, yes, as desi nole says, tirupathi also has this system and, again, it doesn’t really make the wait more efficient for the majority of devotees.

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