Comments on: Suicide in Religion http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: carlos http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-2/#comment-237788 carlos Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:23:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-237788 <pre><code> my vocavolary seems to be off so bare with me: people. Those in the claimed authority have pride themselves and presidents . and conforted to offered and tempted and colour .... so now my question is: if you is face with such circumstance what would you do!!!!!! thank you. </code></pre> my vocavolary seems to be off so bare with me: people. Those in the claimed authority have pride themselves and presidents . and conforted to offered and tempted and colour .... so now my question is: if you is face with such circumstance what would you do!!!!!! thank you. ]]> By: carlos http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-2/#comment-237781 carlos Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:15:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-237781 <pre><code> through out history man have enslave people those in the claimed autority have pride themselfs in been independent and have denied those same acts that have place them there ... had they not followed such street they would of have been like many who are deny the mere fact of existence by others or presiddents so they conforted to what the country offered others no others go far away to avoid such circustances of been temted by the same color of uniform and people ... they prefer to be illegals then to be part in a country lead by corruption denials ! </code></pre> through out history man have enslave people those in the claimed autority have pride themselfs in been independent and have denied those same acts that have place them there ... had they not followed such street they would of have been like many who are deny the mere fact of existence by others or presiddents so they conforted to what the country offered others no others go far away to avoid such circustances of been temted by the same color of uniform and people ... they prefer to be illegals then to be part in a country lead by corruption denials ! ]]> By: beepbeepitsme http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-2/#comment-74796 beepbeepitsme Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:33:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-74796 <p>"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion." Steven Weinberg</p> “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” Steven Weinberg

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By: ismailies http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-2/#comment-68471 ismailies Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:20:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68471 <p><a href="http://www.karachistock.info">KarachiStock.Info - Karachi Stock Market and Brokerage Guide.</a> KarachiStock.info a Complete Guide for Stock Exchange Broker and Members. Get Live Coverage and Share Indexing, Company Rating and Demand. High and Low Scoring, all at Karachi Stock. <a href="http://www.karachistock.info"></a></p> KarachiStock.Info – Karachi Stock Market and Brokerage Guide. KarachiStock.info a Complete Guide for Stock Exchange Broker and Members. Get Live Coverage and Share Indexing, Company Rating and Demand. High and Low Scoring, all at Karachi Stock.

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By: Raj Mehta http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-2/#comment-68060 Raj Mehta Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:35:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68060 <p>There is a difference between suicides done out of sadness, depression, failure, hopelessness and hatred(as in Islamic suicide bombers).......and those out of contented self-realisation or samadhis, as many Jain, Buddhist and Hindu sages have done. Swami Vivekananda comes to mind.</p> There is a difference between suicides done out of sadness, depression, failure, hopelessness and hatred(as in Islamic suicide bombers)…….and those out of contented self-realisation or samadhis, as many Jain, Buddhist and Hindu sages have done. Swami Vivekananda comes to mind.

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-1/#comment-68045 Sunny Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:30:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68045 <p>The italics didn't work all the way. The two paragraphs above the last one are also from that blog entry. The last para is my writing.</p> The italics didn’t work all the way. The two paragraphs above the last one are also from that blog entry. The last para is my writing.

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-1/#comment-68044 Sunny Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:27:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68044 <p>Ur no, stop reading books from Borders, read the Qu'ran itself before declaring yourself a reading champ.</p> <p>Literalism is the domain of the stupid: http://akramsrazor.typepad.com/islam_america/2006/06/literalism_and_.html</p> <p><i>I have to note how in some ways this is another example of the robotic literalism of many contemporary Muslim intellectuals in action. As the Taliban did in Bamiyan, these thugs are taking the most superficial but eminently literal interpretation of the relevant sources in Islamic tradition and applying it to the letter. ... Mecca did not have a multitude of mosques and temples--the Haram Al-Sharif was the center of Meccan religion--for one to choose from when practicing one's religion. The idols in the Kaaba that the Prophet smashed did not represent an ancient, respected religious tradition that some scholars have even categorized as Ahl al-Kitab like Hinduism. The devotees of the Meccan idols weren't a weak and downtrodden minority that the Muslims as the dominant community had an obligation to protect and treat with honor, either.</p> <p>But such petty details don't matter when literalism is prized above all else and where legitimate differences of opinion concerning complex issues are tarred as kneejerk rationalism or rebellion against God's message. ... If you object as a Muslim to these outrageous actions, remember that the cult of literalism is ultimately what fuels these problems by dumbing us down to the point where it seems intellectually respectable to, in the name of Tawhid , sack the houses of worship of peaceful neighbors and fellow citizens. Now the Quran makes it clear that violence is permissible only in self-defense and implies unmistakably that all houses of worship are sacred, to the extent that one could argue the Quran enjoins jihad to protect churches and synagogues.</i></p> <p>As the saying on the cigarette packet says - Literalism is bad for your health. Call me a snake-oil guru if you wish, at least I'm not joining the cult of the stupid.</p> Ur no, stop reading books from Borders, read the Qu’ran itself before declaring yourself a reading champ.

Literalism is the domain of the stupid: http://akramsrazor.typepad.com/islam_america/2006/06/literalism_and_.html

I have to note how in some ways this is another example of the robotic literalism of many contemporary Muslim intellectuals in action. As the Taliban did in Bamiyan, these thugs are taking the most superficial but eminently literal interpretation of the relevant sources in Islamic tradition and applying it to the letter. … Mecca did not have a multitude of mosques and temples–the Haram Al-Sharif was the center of Meccan religion–for one to choose from when practicing one’s religion. The idols in the Kaaba that the Prophet smashed did not represent an ancient, respected religious tradition that some scholars have even categorized as Ahl al-Kitab like Hinduism. The devotees of the Meccan idols weren’t a weak and downtrodden minority that the Muslims as the dominant community had an obligation to protect and treat with honor, either.

But such petty details don’t matter when literalism is prized above all else and where legitimate differences of opinion concerning complex issues are tarred as kneejerk rationalism or rebellion against God’s message. … If you object as a Muslim to these outrageous actions, remember that the cult of literalism is ultimately what fuels these problems by dumbing us down to the point where it seems intellectually respectable to, in the name of Tawhid , sack the houses of worship of peaceful neighbors and fellow citizens. Now the Quran makes it clear that violence is permissible only in self-defense and implies unmistakably that all houses of worship are sacred, to the extent that one could argue the Quran enjoins jihad to protect churches and synagogues.

As the saying on the cigarette packet says – Literalism is bad for your health. Call me a snake-oil guru if you wish, at least I’m not joining the cult of the stupid.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-1/#comment-68025 RC Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:34:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68025 <p>Man, this is a great post about religion. I feel that because religion plays the most significant role in "birth" and "death". These two are the most important events of "life". I love the compilation of different religious views on death.</p> <blockquote>Prayopavesa is very different from what most people mean by suicide: * itᅵs non-violent and uses natural means; * itᅵs only used when itᅵs the right time for this life to end - when this body has served its purpose and become a burden;</blockquote> <p>The above sounds like grounds for Assisted Suicide ??? !! I think <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37147-2004Nov9.html"> only Oregon passed assisted suicide</a> law and it is quite controvertial all over the US from what I have heared.</p> Man, this is a great post about religion. I feel that because religion plays the most significant role in “birth” and “death”. These two are the most important events of “life”. I love the compilation of different religious views on death.

Prayopavesa is very different from what most people mean by suicide: * itᅵs non-violent and uses natural means; * itᅵs only used when itᅵs the right time for this life to end – when this body has served its purpose and become a burden;

The above sounds like grounds for Assisted Suicide ??? !! I think only Oregon passed assisted suicide law and it is quite controvertial all over the US from what I have heared.

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By: sharvilak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-1/#comment-68020 sharvilak Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:25:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68020 <p>Homie, reading is what I've been doing. Tons of it. Since you're a self-confessed dissing champ (biting "angry" fanatics) I will call you snake-oil guru. So, someone up there mentioned those quotes were taken out of context. I can give dozen references from Ivy scholars, whose books fill Borders and BN shelves, where the said quotes mean exactly the way they are translated. Your simpistic equal-equal explanation flies flatly in the face of evidence there and else where. If you can put it in context fine; if not, no one is forcing you. I merely asked the guy/gal who claimed it was out of context to put it in context. Rather than selling snake oil why don't YOU go and read up?!</p> Homie, reading is what I’ve been doing. Tons of it. Since you’re a self-confessed dissing champ (biting “angry” fanatics) I will call you snake-oil guru. So, someone up there mentioned those quotes were taken out of context. I can give dozen references from Ivy scholars, whose books fill Borders and BN shelves, where the said quotes mean exactly the way they are translated. Your simpistic equal-equal explanation flies flatly in the face of evidence there and else where. If you can put it in context fine; if not, no one is forcing you. I merely asked the guy/gal who claimed it was out of context to put it in context. Rather than selling snake oil why don’t YOU go and read up?!

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/14/suicide_in_reli/comment-page-1/#comment-68019 Sunny Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:07:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3476#comment-68019 <p>Someone above said:</p> <blockquote>Can anyone put Vinay's quotes in "context"? "Out of context" is a usual refrain from apologists and appears too banal as it is not followed by "proper context."</blockquote> <p>Dude, read up! Do I have teacher stamped on my forehead? Its obvious that internet warriors everywhere use quotations selectively to justify their hatred. Its not unusual. I've seen literature sent around by Sikh and Muslim websites and lists that make stupid ignorant generalisations about Hindus. Unless you know something properly you are in no position to pass judgement.</p> <p>All these angry religious fanatics who go around quoting verses from their own texts, they are the same - using religion as a political football. This is not a reply from an apologist since I have a known track record of openly insulting religious bigots (incl. Muslim ones, search 'sunny hundal'). It is an obvious and known fact that every single religious text has its own context and history. They are not documents without cultural baggage. Hence if you want to make up your mind, do some reading. Don't just find and use random rubbish to justify your prejudice. Or you will get dissed.</p> Someone above said:

Can anyone put Vinay’s quotes in “context”? “Out of context” is a usual refrain from apologists and appears too banal as it is not followed by “proper context.”

Dude, read up! Do I have teacher stamped on my forehead? Its obvious that internet warriors everywhere use quotations selectively to justify their hatred. Its not unusual. I’ve seen literature sent around by Sikh and Muslim websites and lists that make stupid ignorant generalisations about Hindus. Unless you know something properly you are in no position to pass judgement.

All these angry religious fanatics who go around quoting verses from their own texts, they are the same – using religion as a political football. This is not a reply from an apologist since I have a known track record of openly insulting religious bigots (incl. Muslim ones, search ‘sunny hundal’). It is an obvious and known fact that every single religious text has its own context and history. They are not documents without cultural baggage. Hence if you want to make up your mind, do some reading. Don’t just find and use random rubbish to justify your prejudice. Or you will get dissed.

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