Comments on: Un-covering Haditha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67431 GujuDude Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:30:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67431 <blockquote>Ambiguity and flexibility, essential elements of any strategy for counterinsurgency, are his weak points.</blockquote> <p>I agree with this quote 100%. What I find interesting is that Cheney preached <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316796883/qid=1150150725/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-0883462-9359908?s=books&v=glance&n=283155">Boyd's</a> maneuver warfare concepts and implemented them in the conventional warfare phases, but completely ignored it and the basics "Art of War" or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140444270/ref=pd_bbs_null_1/104-0883462-9359908?s=books&v=glance&n=283155">Von Clausewitz</a> type stuff (fundamentals) when things changed. The battlefield changed, but his leadership did not adapt to the dynamics. Bush and his team are static fixtures and are unable to leverage the appropriate psychological operations from a poltical and diplomatic standpoint.</p> <p>Fallujah is a case study in how our troops were willing to do their parts, but from a psychological warfare standpoint the insurgency gained the higher ground. A successful insurgency isn't necessarily one that is militarily successful, but one that is politically. The USMC wanted to tread lighlty and use the appropriate COIN operations after the 4 blackwater contractors were murdered. They believed the worse had already been done, and reacting to it in a heavy handed manner would only worsen things. They did. Bing West's No True Glory describes this in detail as do many other articles.</p> <p>Instead of procuring high price items such as the F-22 (I have reversed my position on this. Talking to people who used to be on the program gives you a different perspective), Virginia class subs, DDX, two years into the insurgency we needed mine/IED defeating vehicles such as the RG-31 Nayala, Cougar, Buffalo, Dingo which are already deployed by other nations. Up armoring HMMWVs doesn't defeat IED's (the primary killer of our troops). The V shaped hulls deflect the blast rather than trying to fight it. Not only would these save troops, but also deny the enemy a psychological warfare tool that keeps the pressure on troops and gains headlines when they kill some, sending news all over the world.</p> <p>Haditha needs to be dispositioned in the courts immediately and transparently to gain any ground. Any violators of UCMJ should be punished accordingly.</p> <blockquote> By the way, for those of you who like me are students of counter-insurgency operations...</blockquote> <p>I found a recommendation on Professionalsoldiers.com, a website run by former and current United States Army Special Forces (aka Green Berets): <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0898755409/104-0883462-9359908?v=glance&n=283155">Human Factors Considerations of Undergrounds in Insurgencies</a> as essential reading. I'm definitely adding it to the list. Great discussions and information there.</p> <p>NOTE: If you decide to sign up and join this website, tread lightly. Read all the rules first and lurk before getting a feel of the place. They're some serious folks.</p> Ambiguity and flexibility, essential elements of any strategy for counterinsurgency, are his weak points.

I agree with this quote 100%. What I find interesting is that Cheney preached Boyd’s maneuver warfare concepts and implemented them in the conventional warfare phases, but completely ignored it and the basics “Art of War” or Von Clausewitz type stuff (fundamentals) when things changed. The battlefield changed, but his leadership did not adapt to the dynamics. Bush and his team are static fixtures and are unable to leverage the appropriate psychological operations from a poltical and diplomatic standpoint.

Fallujah is a case study in how our troops were willing to do their parts, but from a psychological warfare standpoint the insurgency gained the higher ground. A successful insurgency isn’t necessarily one that is militarily successful, but one that is politically. The USMC wanted to tread lighlty and use the appropriate COIN operations after the 4 blackwater contractors were murdered. They believed the worse had already been done, and reacting to it in a heavy handed manner would only worsen things. They did. Bing West’s No True Glory describes this in detail as do many other articles.

Instead of procuring high price items such as the F-22 (I have reversed my position on this. Talking to people who used to be on the program gives you a different perspective), Virginia class subs, DDX, two years into the insurgency we needed mine/IED defeating vehicles such as the RG-31 Nayala, Cougar, Buffalo, Dingo which are already deployed by other nations. Up armoring HMMWVs doesn’t defeat IED’s (the primary killer of our troops). The V shaped hulls deflect the blast rather than trying to fight it. Not only would these save troops, but also deny the enemy a psychological warfare tool that keeps the pressure on troops and gains headlines when they kill some, sending news all over the world.

Haditha needs to be dispositioned in the courts immediately and transparently to gain any ground. Any violators of UCMJ should be punished accordingly.

By the way, for those of you who like me are students of counter-insurgency operations…

I found a recommendation on Professionalsoldiers.com, a website run by former and current United States Army Special Forces (aka Green Berets): Human Factors Considerations of Undergrounds in Insurgencies as essential reading. I’m definitely adding it to the list. Great discussions and information there.

NOTE: If you decide to sign up and join this website, tread lightly. Read all the rules first and lurk before getting a feel of the place. They’re some serious folks.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67402 RC Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:55:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67402 <blockquote>This weird attitude of reporters has always puzzled me. They treat their interviewing of some homicidal sociopath with the clinical disconnect of a scientist conducting a lab experiment.</blockquote> <p>What I find puzzling is the right winger's unconditional support to everything that US foreign policy establishment. What I find more puzzling is that they dont see the irony, when they criticize Islamists for giving other Islamists unconditional support.</p> This weird attitude of reporters has always puzzled me. They treat their interviewing of some homicidal sociopath with the clinical disconnect of a scientist conducting a lab experiment.

What I find puzzling is the right winger’s unconditional support to everything that US foreign policy establishment. What I find more puzzling is that they dont see the irony, when they criticize Islamists for giving other Islamists unconditional support.

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67395 KXB Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:06:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67395 <p><i>A classic Colbert technique</i></p> <p>Colbert is amusing at times - but he's really just a less annoying Mark Russell without the piano playing.</p> A classic Colbert technique

Colbert is amusing at times – but he’s really just a less annoying Mark Russell without the piano playing.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67394 Vikram Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:02:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67394 <blockquote> I agree with Vikram. Ghosh and all reporters should carry guns with them so they can kill the terrorists after they interview them. </blockquote> <p>A classic Colbert technique... pulling the old specious ploy of "I pretend to agree with you while lamely attempting to lampoon your comment with something unconnected" . ;-)</p> I agree with Vikram. Ghosh and all reporters should carry guns with them so they can kill the terrorists after they interview them.

A classic Colbert technique… pulling the old specious ploy of “I pretend to agree with you while lamely attempting to lampoon your comment with something unconnected” . ;-)

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By: oreganogypsy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67393 oreganogypsy Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:58:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67393 <p>It's a strategy...a journalist who 'rats out' his source will develop that reputation and will have a hard time gaining access to interviews in the future. So it's the teach a man to fish mentality. Doing a profile of a suicide bomber may bring awareness to the issues underlying individual suicide attacks - namely societal and psychological reasons for such behaviour. And somehow this would be more helpful long term - in the mind of this reporter - than nabbing hisself a suicide bomber. Besides journalists are not soldiers or police. It's a really hard line to draw though, every journalist and newsroom struggles with the ethics of this issue ALL the time (yup journalists have ethics too - shocking I know.) It's the 'do I shoot or help' question.</p> It’s a strategy…a journalist who ‘rats out’ his source will develop that reputation and will have a hard time gaining access to interviews in the future. So it’s the teach a man to fish mentality. Doing a profile of a suicide bomber may bring awareness to the issues underlying individual suicide attacks – namely societal and psychological reasons for such behaviour. And somehow this would be more helpful long term – in the mind of this reporter – than nabbing hisself a suicide bomber. Besides journalists are not soldiers or police. It’s a really hard line to draw though, every journalist and newsroom struggles with the ethics of this issue ALL the time (yup journalists have ethics too – shocking I know.) It’s the ‘do I shoot or help’ question.

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67390 KXB Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:33:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67390 <p>Wow - lampooning an argument that no one made - the arming of journalists. I hope we'll soon see clever takes on how ESPN anchors should strap on the pads and get in the games they cover, if they really care about the home team.</p> Wow – lampooning an argument that no one made – the arming of journalists. I hope we’ll soon see clever takes on how ESPN anchors should strap on the pads and get in the games they cover, if they really care about the home team.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67380 Vikram Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:37:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67380 <blockquote> Many could follow. Imagine the possibilities...Bill O Reilly, Geraldo, maybe even Oprah, the new trump cards of the U.S. armed forces in dealing with these sick, deranged islamic lunatics </blockquote> <p>I'd pay to see that idiot Katie Couric having a close encounter with an IED on the frontlines...</p> Many could follow. Imagine the possibilities…Bill O Reilly, Geraldo, maybe even Oprah, the new trump cards of the U.S. armed forces in dealing with these sick, deranged islamic lunatics

I’d pay to see that idiot Katie Couric having a close encounter with an IED on the frontlines…

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By: nubamountain http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67379 nubamountain Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:22:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67379 <p>I agree. Arming journalists is really the only next sensible step in modern warfare. Especially these days, when journalism in the United States so famously failed the nation in its role as the fourth estate. The ability to interview a suicide bomber or someone who expresses virulently anti american behavior and then to shoot him in the head is not just patriotic, it is also such an obviously efficient way to fight the war. We can then simply say 'screw you' to the Islamists and put up posters of a deceased Judith Miller, who after writing so many bogus stories about Iraq's nuclear program, bomb centrifuges and large, non-existent caches of WMDs did the only useful and right thing in her storied career by shooting an unemployed Jordanian truck driver and now uber jihadist in the ear. Many could follow. Imagine the possibilities...Bill O Reilly, Geraldo, maybe even Oprah, the new trump cards of the U.S. armed forces in dealing with these sick, deranged islamic lunatics who don't have the decency to stop using such nakedly sensational tactics in fighting wars such as suicide bombs and er...well...suicide.</p> I agree. Arming journalists is really the only next sensible step in modern warfare. Especially these days, when journalism in the United States so famously failed the nation in its role as the fourth estate. The ability to interview a suicide bomber or someone who expresses virulently anti american behavior and then to shoot him in the head is not just patriotic, it is also such an obviously efficient way to fight the war. We can then simply say ‘screw you’ to the Islamists and put up posters of a deceased Judith Miller, who after writing so many bogus stories about Iraq’s nuclear program, bomb centrifuges and large, non-existent caches of WMDs did the only useful and right thing in her storied career by shooting an unemployed Jordanian truck driver and now uber jihadist in the ear. Many could follow. Imagine the possibilities…Bill O Reilly, Geraldo, maybe even Oprah, the new trump cards of the U.S. armed forces in dealing with these sick, deranged islamic lunatics who don’t have the decency to stop using such nakedly sensational tactics in fighting wars such as suicide bombs and er…well…suicide.

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By: sleepy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67376 sleepy Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:11:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67376 <p>But what about Judith Miller? She was hardly painted as supporting terrorism during the Valerie Plame affair. That was also an issue of national security and she chose to hide her source. Of course its not as sexy as "reporter lets suicide bomber get away" but I kinda see a double standard here. Revealing her source's location probably wouldn't have put her in mortal danger either. Yes, yes, I like dredging up ancient history :)</p> But what about Judith Miller? She was hardly painted as supporting terrorism during the Valerie Plame affair. That was also an issue of national security and she chose to hide her source. Of course its not as sexy as “reporter lets suicide bomber get away” but I kinda see a double standard here. Revealing her source’s location probably wouldn’t have put her in mortal danger either. Yes, yes, I like dredging up ancient history :)

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/12/uncovering_hadi/comment-page-1/#comment-67372 Al Mujahid for debauchery Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:41:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3463#comment-67372 <p>I agree with Vikram. Ghosh and all reporters should carry guns with them so they can kill the terrorists after they interview them. I mean dont we all wish that Peter Bergen had killed Osama when he interviewed him in Afghanistan.</p> I agree with Vikram. Ghosh and all reporters should carry guns with them so they can kill the terrorists after they interview them. I mean dont we all wish that Peter Bergen had killed Osama when he interviewed him in Afghanistan.

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