Comments on: Desi Goth Manifesto http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: cyril t http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-2/#comment-288104 cyril t Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:43:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-288104 <p>Hi Neeraja ! I'm very surprised & very glad to meet "Desi goths"... and it seems every comments have been posted by "Desis". I am French but my wife is a "Desi", and I'm very interested in "sub cultures" from all over the world (frankly speaking, the way most of my country fellows here in Europe see India is nothing but clichés : Bollywood, yoga, poverty...). I don't agree with negrogoth (see above) when he says that "goth is about white people celebrating white culture". It's far beyond that, but it is also very true that goth, unlike most of the youth subcultures in the western world (rock, rap, ...) is deeply rooted in ancient or recent european history and/or mythology (mostly northern paganism). Let's just say that modern India is founded on a tradition of religious diversity and tolerance, whereas Europe has been ruled for more than a thousand years by an oppressive and exclusive religion, which might help understand why most of goths obsessively focus on neo-paganism, as a way of rebellion against theocracy. Goth is also a reaction against globalization and american hegemony over economics, politics, culture... That's what the song "Sons of Europe" by Death In June is about. Just think that the most influential goth bands of the 80's were (mainly) extreme lefties or anarchists (punk inheritage!) in a time where Europe was nothing but a battlefield in a Cold War. Moreover, Goth explores concepts such as Good/Evil, Freedom/Slavery, Individualism/Oppression and expresses it in a way that deliberatly uses ambivalent symbols and words. This duality is part of the european moral, as edicted by the church (God/Satan) whereas I do think that Hindu Gods are far more ambiguous (I do not intent to offend, but I just think that they are much closer to the human nature than this God of ours, All Good and All Mighty !) . I hope this comment's been of some interest for U, B good !</p> Hi Neeraja ! I’m very surprised & very glad to meet “Desi goths”… and it seems every comments have been posted by “Desis”. I am French but my wife is a “Desi”, and I’m very interested in “sub cultures” from all over the world (frankly speaking, the way most of my country fellows here in Europe see India is nothing but clichés : Bollywood, yoga, poverty…). I don’t agree with negrogoth (see above) when he says that “goth is about white people celebrating white culture”. It’s far beyond that, but it is also very true that goth, unlike most of the youth subcultures in the western world (rock, rap, …) is deeply rooted in ancient or recent european history and/or mythology (mostly northern paganism). Let’s just say that modern India is founded on a tradition of religious diversity and tolerance, whereas Europe has been ruled for more than a thousand years by an oppressive and exclusive religion, which might help understand why most of goths obsessively focus on neo-paganism, as a way of rebellion against theocracy. Goth is also a reaction against globalization and american hegemony over economics, politics, culture… That’s what the song “Sons of Europe” by Death In June is about. Just think that the most influential goth bands of the 80′s were (mainly) extreme lefties or anarchists (punk inheritage!) in a time where Europe was nothing but a battlefield in a Cold War. Moreover, Goth explores concepts such as Good/Evil, Freedom/Slavery, Individualism/Oppression and expresses it in a way that deliberatly uses ambivalent symbols and words. This duality is part of the european moral, as edicted by the church (God/Satan) whereas I do think that Hindu Gods are far more ambiguous (I do not intent to offend, but I just think that they are much closer to the human nature than this God of ours, All Good and All Mighty !) . I hope this comment’s been of some interest for U, B good !

]]> By: jo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-285557 jo Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:56:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-285557 <p>is this comunity dead?whjy arnt there any active members?someone say something..this is the ONLY dei goth page,,please keep it alive thnks!</p> is this comunity dead?whjy arnt there any active members?someone say something..this is the ONLY dei goth page,,please keep it alive thnks!

]]> By: Ash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-227163 Ash Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:37:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-227163 <p>You know what I hate? When people call me 'white-washed' since I'm seen as gothic/metalhead/rocker. It really makes me angry.</p> You know what I hate? When people call me ‘white-washed’ since I’m seen as gothic/metalhead/rocker. It really makes me angry.

]]> By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-224253 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:15:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-224253 <blockquote>I go to goth clubs and everyone is just mesmorized by me dancing . I combine a lot of belly dancing, moves from bollywood films, and industral, so it really gets everyone watching!</blockquote> <p>lol internet</p> I go to goth clubs and everyone is just mesmorized by me dancing . I combine a lot of belly dancing, moves from bollywood films, and industral, so it really gets everyone watching!

lol internet

]]> By: Desigothlawl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-224247 Desigothlawl Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:36:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-224247 <p>METAL IS NOT GOTH! You can wear all the black in the world and act all "satanic" as you like listening to bad poser black metal <em>cough COF</em>, but it's not goth!</p> <p>Just because your a metalhead who listens to shitty metal does not mean your goth. BTW: I'm not ripping on metal (just BAD METAL), I freakin love metal but those two totally DIFFERENT GENERES!</p> <p>Goth is so much more then just wearing all black. You gotta go to the clubs, get your gro0ove on, show off to all the white motherfuckers that your better then them because you got that flavor in your blood.</p> <p>I go to goth clubs and everyone is just mesmorized by me dancing . I combine a lot of belly dancing, moves from bollywood films, and industral, so it really gets everyone watching!</p> <p>I've managed to create my own form of dance, even though gothic belly dancing is very popular. But it still doesn't mean they know to do IT RIGHT!</p> <p>I'm pretty goth, but I rarely label myself that. I label music goth, but even then I use terms like dark-wave or death rock to descibe the music.</p> <p>So yeah. Sending some doomful hate/love back to you all. Great little article, I'm only ripping on some of the losers who responded.</p> <p>Keep gr0o0vin, stay sp00oky, and i'll see you on the dance floor.</p> <ul> <li>The Desi Death rockin Gypsy </li> </ul> METAL IS NOT GOTH! You can wear all the black in the world and act all “satanic” as you like listening to bad poser black metal cough COF, but it’s not goth!

Just because your a metalhead who listens to shitty metal does not mean your goth. BTW: I’m not ripping on metal (just BAD METAL), I freakin love metal but those two totally DIFFERENT GENERES!

Goth is so much more then just wearing all black. You gotta go to the clubs, get your gro0ove on, show off to all the white motherfuckers that your better then them because you got that flavor in your blood.

I go to goth clubs and everyone is just mesmorized by me dancing . I combine a lot of belly dancing, moves from bollywood films, and industral, so it really gets everyone watching!

I’ve managed to create my own form of dance, even though gothic belly dancing is very popular. But it still doesn’t mean they know to do IT RIGHT!

I’m pretty goth, but I rarely label myself that. I label music goth, but even then I use terms like dark-wave or death rock to descibe the music.

So yeah. Sending some doomful hate/love back to you all. Great little article, I’m only ripping on some of the losers who responded.

Keep gr0o0vin, stay sp00oky, and i’ll see you on the dance floor.

  • The Desi Death rockin Gypsy
]]> By: Wyverex Bloodline http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-209170 Wyverex Bloodline Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:51:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-209170 <p>Being or not being a Goth is mental and which shoud reflect, to varying degrees, in the physical. There are 7 (mental) planes and each of these 7 planes have 7 sub-planes (all of which are Planes are of MIND). The higher degrees of Goth know the following:</p> <p>"THE ALL is MIND, the Universe is Mental, expressed and held in the Mind of THE ALL, in which MIND we live and move and have our being. There is no great, there is no small, in the MIND that causeth ALL." Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates (moves in circles and/or the figure eight (8); to change your mood or mental mental state, change your vibration."</p> <p>IAMI</p> <p>Wyverex Bloodline.</p> Being or not being a Goth is mental and which shoud reflect, to varying degrees, in the physical. There are 7 (mental) planes and each of these 7 planes have 7 sub-planes (all of which are Planes are of MIND). The higher degrees of Goth know the following:

“THE ALL is MIND, the Universe is Mental, expressed and held in the Mind of THE ALL, in which MIND we live and move and have our being. There is no great, there is no small, in the MIND that causeth ALL.” Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates (moves in circles and/or the figure eight (8); to change your mood or mental mental state, change your vibration.”

IAMI

Wyverex Bloodline.

]]> By: Wyverex Bloodline http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-209109 Wyverex Bloodline Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:57:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-209109 <p>Hmmmm! Interesting.</p> <p>Wyverex Bloodline.</p> Hmmmm! Interesting.

Wyverex Bloodline.

]]> By: Jadis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-194822 Jadis Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:16:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-194822 <p>Bleedin' brilliant Niraja. Here's another Indian who considers herself a goth.(Though I'm not a huge fan of goth music, I've been attracted to the mentality...And I really loved the bit you wrote about creating something with your misery.)</p> Bleedin’ brilliant Niraja. Here’s another Indian who considers herself a goth.(Though I’m not a huge fan of goth music, I’ve been attracted to the mentality…And I really loved the bit you wrote about creating something with your misery.)

]]> By: Carnage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-179087 Carnage Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:31:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-179087 <p>Maybe you should read this...it clears up a lot of things. http://anon.razorwire.com/real-goth-faq/</p> Maybe you should read this…it clears up a lot of things. http://anon.razorwire.com/real-goth-faq/

]]> By: Carol http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/06/01/desi_goth_manif/comment-page-1/#comment-173119 Carol Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:45:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3430#comment-173119 <p>Question(s): does one really have to know stuff about goth culture before being one?</p> <p>I like goth fashion, i dress like one, i like skulls, i wear black like everyday, would goths find it offensive if people dressed like a goth but dont really know much about it?</p> <p>Is it really necessary to listen to goth music like heavy metal..to be one? (I prefer listenin to a lot of R&B, bhangra and bollywood stuff and a bit of rock on the side)</p> <p>I'm not a real goth(considering my knowledge about goth culture :S)i wanna know more about it But i seriously love their art, the way they dress is just different, and it stands out as well Goths are pretty cool people once you get to know them. they are not like what they seem to be :) As a desi Christian myself..my parents dont like it when i wear devlish outfits..they totally loathe it..and even when i go out people just stare like you've come from outer space or something :/ and they go like "you're desi, desi's dont dress like a goth, don't act all 'angrezified'" n im like " am i bovvered?..eh NO! just get lost" y'know.. it annoys the heck outta me!</p> <p>Desi goths outside the UK and who are plannin to come to London, never leave the country without visiting Camden Town lol..its just the place to be if you like Goth culture..i seriously recommend it.</p> Question(s): does one really have to know stuff about goth culture before being one?

I like goth fashion, i dress like one, i like skulls, i wear black like everyday, would goths find it offensive if people dressed like a goth but dont really know much about it?

Is it really necessary to listen to goth music like heavy metal..to be one? (I prefer listenin to a lot of R&B, bhangra and bollywood stuff and a bit of rock on the side)

I’m not a real goth(considering my knowledge about goth culture :S)i wanna know more about it But i seriously love their art, the way they dress is just different, and it stands out as well Goths are pretty cool people once you get to know them. they are not like what they seem to be :) As a desi Christian myself..my parents dont like it when i wear devlish outfits..they totally loathe it..and even when i go out people just stare like you’ve come from outer space or something :/ and they go like “you’re desi, desi’s dont dress like a goth, don’t act all ‘angrezified’” n im like ” am i bovvered?..eh NO! just get lost” y’know.. it annoys the heck outta me!

Desi goths outside the UK and who are plannin to come to London, never leave the country without visiting Camden Town lol..its just the place to be if you like Goth culture..i seriously recommend it.

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