Moornam was correct. I have banned the troll and deleted all 36 of his comments.

An Indian environmentalist I know was involved in the initial stages of the Narmada protest. S.A Roy was not even on the horizon, and one day she suddenly came on and started making press statements. Most of the people on the agitation did not like this, and the unanimous view (including that of Medha Patkar) was that Roy’s shrill style would do disservice to the cause, and that she would use the agitation to further her own agenda and interests. No one knows what happened, but suddenly all those who opposed were in effect discredited and left the agitation within months. “They” even tried to get to Medha, but she stood steadfast and is still the undisputed leader of the Narmada movement.

S.A.Roy has a PR army working for her (a small battalion is at work on this board). She is much more powerful than she projects. It’s not easy to thumb your nose at the Indian Supreme court and get away with it. It’s not easy to get quoted in every newspaper in the world which wants to opine on India.

S.A. Roy is a shrewd, powerful media moghul. In business, she would have been a Ted Turner. In politics, she would have been a Hitler. Like all tyrants, she is very careful how she projects herself in public. Like all conmen, she is very charismatic. And like all celebrities, she clings to power tenaciously.

But she has weaknesses that will bring her to doom. I know them, but why would I list them on an open forum? After all, I am shrewd, charismatic myself, and like her I have an agenda too.

M. Nam

‘Indian, Israeli and American forces would look like the peace corps by comparison. And these armies atleast make an effort to try to be more humane in their actions.‘

Do you say this with the knowledge of the most recent revelation of the Haditha killings? You know the killing spree that out good ole’ boys from the heartland went on. Shooting women and children in their beds because they were pissed off about the killing of their comrade and according to them being ‘humane’ meant that one American life is worth 24 Iraqi lives. I guess it’s okay to vent out sometimes and kill the people you have been deployed to liberate and protect. Yes siree, we will win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

Great quotes TheTruth.

Making such a blanket statement saying you don’t respect Israeli or American troops because of occcupation is probably one of the more stupid arugments I’ve heard. How many have you talked to? How many do you know? Have you heard their stories first hand? You’ll gain far more depth in your opinon (not slanted towards right or left, but towards the truth) than you’ll ever comprehend.

You are making such a blanket, emotional, and uninformed opinion here. How the hell do you know that I haven’t had the experiences of meeting those living under occupation, or even been to a place under occupation? And how do you know that I don’t know any US soldiers? I have three cousins who just came back from Iraq.

I certainly don’t need to lay out my qualifications to you, of all people, as to why I have the opinions that I do.

a) Are you living under occupation? b) Are you a member of the armed forces ordered to perform you duty (what you SIGNED up to do?).

This is the stupidest logic. Presumably, one can only have an opinion if only living under military occupation. By the same logic, you can only defend Israeli and US soldiers only if you are the one flying the Blackhawk military helicopters.

You aren’t a member of either group. So, screw your high horse.

Are you a member of the military establishment? Are you living under military occupation? According to your logic, then, you have no right on speaking out on these issues either, so screw your high horse too!

(BTW, you are talking about my being on a “high horse”, but how do you think your posts read like?)

Not that it was orginally intended towards me, but Gandian resistance is VERY applicable.

This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Gandhian non-violence in a place like Iraq?

Hey, do you think that if the Jews would have put up nonviolent resistance during the Holocaust, they might have been saved?

Again. Screw you and your high horse. You have lost all crediblilty in my viewpoint (which people here may give to shits about) when you make such a statement such as “To be honest, I do not have any sympathy for Israeli and American soldiers”.

GujuDude, to be honest, your opinions of political affairs that I’ve read here and there have NEVER had any credibility in my eyes. Your opinions on politics and IR are all nutty, nationalistic, and visceral. I have stayed away from addressing your previous posts on other issues because of this. So I could give two shits about what you think about my opinions, especially when you think that one doesn’t have the right to criticize Israeli and American soldiers. That to me, is the stupidest argument, but alas, it’s ubiquitous, so it seems like you and your kind have it good. If you think I make stupid arguments, I am certainly not offended given what your opinions are like.

Amit:

By the way CAD , I find your sympathy for the Islamic thugs so touching…..

Tell me where I said, “I support Islamic thugs”.

Don’t put words in my mouth. And, if you are going to post comments, at least make them logical, ie “India is a democracy” but the Army is in total control, outside of the reach of the government.

Good night–

God Bless America and Mera Bharat Mahan

Sure some human rights violations may have taken place- but thats not much at all. Indian Army is the most disciplined force in the world. We dont go about killling or raping innocent people as is claimed by our enemies.

The enemy is a lying hateful thug. Only last week, the whole of Kashmir Valley came to a stand still because they accused Indian soldiers of raping a 14 year old girl. Truth was a patrol of Indian soldiers only asked for water and for some reason the girl shyly ran away. The people there put 2 and 2 together and accused the soldiers of rape. This is just how things are in Kashmir.

The people there – the same sort who ethnic cleansed the non-Islamic elements , hate us too much. And they got a lot of support. Its not a easy fight for Indian soldiers , but it was certainly more difficult in the early 1990s when my dad was stationed there.