Comments on: The True Story of Ramo Samee, the Indian Juggler http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mrs Goodwin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-216915 Mrs Goodwin Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:46:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-216915 <p>In the memours of Mrs Sarha Rice Parker Goodwin of Portsmout NH she mentions "going to the Assmeble House to see Ramo Samee with his company of Hindoo jugglers. He swallwed a sword and pulled yards of ribbon out of his nostrills"</p> <p>Thought you might like to know this. I play Mrs Goodwin at Strawberry Banke Museum in Portsmouth NH</p> In the memours of Mrs Sarha Rice Parker Goodwin of Portsmout NH she mentions “going to the Assmeble House to see Ramo Samee with his company of Hindoo jugglers. He swallwed a sword and pulled yards of ribbon out of his nostrills”

Thought you might like to know this. I play Mrs Goodwin at Strawberry Banke Museum in Portsmouth NH

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By: Dan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-212505 Dan Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:47:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-212505 <p>Kumar N and Amardeep -</p> <p>Thanks for posting links to my sword swallowing site (www.swordswallow.com and www.swordswallow.com/halloffame.php). I have been searching for this supposed tribe of sword swallowers in Andhra Pradesh ever since I lived there in 1978. I would appreciate any help you might offer as I would like to do a video documentary of sword swallowing with these people. Please contact me with any information you might have at Halfdan@aol.com.</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <p>Dan Meyer Halfdan@aol.com Dan@swordswallow.com Executive Director Sword Swallowers Association International www.swordswallow.org www.swordswallow.com</p> Kumar N and Amardeep -

Thanks for posting links to my sword swallowing site (www.swordswallow.com and http://www.swordswallow.com/halloffame.php). I have been searching for this supposed tribe of sword swallowers in Andhra Pradesh ever since I lived there in 1978. I would appreciate any help you might offer as I would like to do a video documentary of sword swallowing with these people. Please contact me with any information you might have at Halfdan@aol.com.

Thanks!

Dan Meyer Halfdan@aol.com Dan@swordswallow.com Executive Director Sword Swallowers Association International http://www.swordswallow.org http://www.swordswallow.com

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By: Kumar N http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64689 Kumar N Sun, 28 May 2006 10:15:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64689 <p>Blue Mountain,</p> <p>Mir Sultan Khan was in the employ of a Maharaja, but I don't think he was illiterate. May be he did not speak or write English very well. But I believe even before he left for England in 1929, he was a Ustad (Master) in Shatranj/Chathuranga (the original Indian form of Chess).</p> <p>In the four years he lived in England, he not only defeated people like Capablanca, and won the Championshp twice, he also played the top board for England in two olympiads.</p> <p>According to today's ratings system, his ELO rating would have been upwards of 2550, making him Asia's first grand master.He was from that part of Punjab, which lies in today's Pakistan. Incidentally, another servant of the same Sargodha Maharaja, Miss.Fatima, won the British Woman's Chess Championship in 1931, but never got the recognition that Mir Sultan Khan got.</p> Blue Mountain,

Mir Sultan Khan was in the employ of a Maharaja, but I don’t think he was illiterate. May be he did not speak or write English very well. But I believe even before he left for England in 1929, he was a Ustad (Master) in Shatranj/Chathuranga (the original Indian form of Chess).

In the four years he lived in England, he not only defeated people like Capablanca, and won the Championshp twice, he also played the top board for England in two olympiads.

According to today’s ratings system, his ELO rating would have been upwards of 2550, making him Asia’s first grand master.He was from that part of Punjab, which lies in today’s Pakistan. Incidentally, another servant of the same Sargodha Maharaja, Miss.Fatima, won the British Woman’s Chess Championship in 1931, but never got the recognition that Mir Sultan Khan got.

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By: blue mountain http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64688 blue mountain Sun, 28 May 2006 09:33:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64688 <blockquote>though I don't know how much of the traditional desi 'mayajaal' has remained in their acts.</blockquote> <p>Madaris are still there but I feel their number is decreasing .Every year in winter hundreds of Madaris descend to Eastern part of India with truckloads of paraphernalia. They put up camps on open spaces. They show all kinds of magic. They claim to cure all types of diseases(with expertise lying in curing hydrosil and erectional dysfunction as per my information). Then from bigger groups they split into smaller ones visiting every locality and neighbourhood in the town.They usually have a langur with them.PETA has <a href="http://www.petaindia.com/performlaws.html">started</a> a campaign against them.</p> <p>When I was a kid the beating of a Madaris <i>dugdugi</i> brought terrific excitement in me. Nothing could hold me back from reaching the Madari. When I reach there along with my sister ignoring warnings from my Mother I would find hundreds of people already there. Then I would push and jostle through the crowd to get the best vantage point. And the show began thereafter.</p> <p>They showed juggling,magic,gymnastics and what not! But the show with animals(dogs,monkeys,birds)were the biggest draw for us.</p> though I don’t know how much of the traditional desi ‘mayajaal’ has remained in their acts.

Madaris are still there but I feel their number is decreasing .Every year in winter hundreds of Madaris descend to Eastern part of India with truckloads of paraphernalia. They put up camps on open spaces. They show all kinds of magic. They claim to cure all types of diseases(with expertise lying in curing hydrosil and erectional dysfunction as per my information). Then from bigger groups they split into smaller ones visiting every locality and neighbourhood in the town.They usually have a langur with them.PETA has started a campaign against them.

When I was a kid the beating of a Madaris dugdugi brought terrific excitement in me. Nothing could hold me back from reaching the Madari. When I reach there along with my sister ignoring warnings from my Mother I would find hundreds of people already there. Then I would push and jostle through the crowd to get the best vantage point. And the show began thereafter.

They showed juggling,magic,gymnastics and what not! But the show with animals(dogs,monkeys,birds)were the biggest draw for us.

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By: blue mountain http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64687 blue mountain Sun, 28 May 2006 09:03:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64687 <p>Maybe the story of Sultan Khan would be interesting. He was an illiterate servant of a Maharaja . During 4 years of his stay in England he won the British championship thrice.He has a plus record against Capablanca,Marshall and Tartakower. Sadly his master took him back to India.[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Sultan_Khan">Link</a>]</p> Maybe the story of Sultan Khan would be interesting. He was an illiterate servant of a Maharaja . During 4 years of his stay in England he won the British championship thrice.He has a plus record against Capablanca,Marshall and Tartakower. Sadly his master took him back to India.[Link]

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By: Kumar N http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64632 Kumar N Sat, 27 May 2006 16:17:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64632 <p>Yes..the street jugglers in AP belong to a caste called 'Dommari'; caste members are called 'Dommarollu', as Swati mentioned.</p> <p>But I have not seen them do sword swallowing.The Dommarollu travel as a group of 1 or 2 families. It is the children who do most of the tricks, while the elders play supporting roles, playing the 'dappu' (small percussion instrument), singing songs and collecting the coins from the audience. In the evenings, some of the Dommari women go from door to door, begging for food. These days, these Dommari performances have become very rare. I have seen similar performances in Tamil Nadu towns as well.</p> <p>The sword swallowers are generally seen at folk festivals in various parts of the country.They are typically either tribals or Saivaite sadhus/fakirs.The Kumbh Melas are the best places to find practitioners of these almost extinct arts.At the Maha Kumbh Mela at Prayag in UP(considered the largest human gathering in History), one can see literally dozens of these people, doing all these feats, and not expecting any thing but appreciation, and may be some food from the generous pilgrims.</p> <p>Amardeep, the next Maha Kumbh Mela would be in January 2007.So, if you or any one else is interested, you could plan a visit to India to coincide with the Kumbh and can see all this and much more.</p> Yes..the street jugglers in AP belong to a caste called ‘Dommari’; caste members are called ‘Dommarollu’, as Swati mentioned.

But I have not seen them do sword swallowing.The Dommarollu travel as a group of 1 or 2 families. It is the children who do most of the tricks, while the elders play supporting roles, playing the ‘dappu’ (small percussion instrument), singing songs and collecting the coins from the audience. In the evenings, some of the Dommari women go from door to door, begging for food. These days, these Dommari performances have become very rare. I have seen similar performances in Tamil Nadu towns as well.

The sword swallowers are generally seen at folk festivals in various parts of the country.They are typically either tribals or Saivaite sadhus/fakirs.The Kumbh Melas are the best places to find practitioners of these almost extinct arts.At the Maha Kumbh Mela at Prayag in UP(considered the largest human gathering in History), one can see literally dozens of these people, doing all these feats, and not expecting any thing but appreciation, and may be some food from the generous pilgrims.

Amardeep, the next Maha Kumbh Mela would be in January 2007.So, if you or any one else is interested, you could plan a visit to India to coincide with the Kumbh and can see all this and much more.

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64628 Amardeep Sat, 27 May 2006 14:17:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64628 <p>UberMetroMallu, Glad you enjoyed it.</p> <p>On the INA and Netaji, a recent book that talks about that chapter of Indian history is <em>The Glass Palace</em> by Amitav Ghosh. It's a little on the long side, but there's lots of good stuff there about the Indian connections to Burma as well as the diaspora in places like Malaysia.</p> <p>Swati, thanks for the info. and the link. That's very helpful!</p> UberMetroMallu, Glad you enjoyed it.

On the INA and Netaji, a recent book that talks about that chapter of Indian history is The Glass Palace by Amitav Ghosh. It’s a little on the long side, but there’s lots of good stuff there about the Indian connections to Burma as well as the diaspora in places like Malaysia.

Swati, thanks for the info. and the link. That’s very helpful!

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By: Ubersexual Metro Mallu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64625 Ubersexual Metro Mallu Sat, 27 May 2006 12:54:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64625 <p>Hi Amardeep,</p> <p>This is a really interesting piece; I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and checking out the links. Do write more about such people of South Asian descent who have been pushed to obscurity. They were, after all, the flag-bearers of the South Asian Diaspora! Moving on, could someone suggest any books written by Indian authors, about fighting for the British or INA? I have read N.N Pillai's Autobiography entitled <i>Njaan</i>, meaning: Me in Malayalam. He was a prominent actor and playwright, besides being a "freedom-fighter"; he fought for the INA against the Japanese and his experiences seemed to happen in a surreal world far removed from where I exist. I would appreciate your valuable suggestions. Peace.</p> Hi Amardeep,

This is a really interesting piece; I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and checking out the links. Do write more about such people of South Asian descent who have been pushed to obscurity. They were, after all, the flag-bearers of the South Asian Diaspora! Moving on, could someone suggest any books written by Indian authors, about fighting for the British or INA? I have read N.N Pillai’s Autobiography entitled Njaan, meaning: Me in Malayalam. He was a prominent actor and playwright, besides being a “freedom-fighter”; he fought for the INA against the Japanese and his experiences seemed to happen in a surreal world far removed from where I exist. I would appreciate your valuable suggestions. Peace.

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By: swati http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64611 swati Sat, 27 May 2006 05:38:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64611 <p>great post amardeep. i grew up in andhra pradesh too and my mother's ancestral village had these nomadic tribes who lived on the 'fringes' of the village and they would entertain us with their juggling acts. (no sword eating though. they however did once upon a time apparently). they belong to the "dommarollu" caste and here is more info on them: http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2004062001750200.htm&date=2004/06/20/&prd=thlf& also, 'swami'/'samee' also means 'god' in telugu and other south indian languages and is often used to refer to the "masters," as rightly pointed out by someone else here.</p> great post amardeep. i grew up in andhra pradesh too and my mother’s ancestral village had these nomadic tribes who lived on the ‘fringes’ of the village and they would entertain us with their juggling acts. (no sword eating though. they however did once upon a time apparently). they belong to the “dommarollu” caste and here is more info on them: http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2004062001750200.htm&date=2004/06/20/&prd=thlf&amp; also, ‘swami’/'samee’ also means ‘god’ in telugu and other south indian languages and is often used to refer to the “masters,” as rightly pointed out by someone else here.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/26/the_story_of_ra/comment-page-1/#comment-64583 Saheli Sat, 27 May 2006 01:43:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3414#comment-64583 <p>I have a lot of friends who are jugglers, and of course being the bay area, the fire arts are huge.. .fire dancers, fire swallowers, fire breathers, etc.. I know many people who would probably have seriously considered it as a real profession were it not so incredibly hard to make a living that way. I definitely think such a performer might have been regarded with true, sincere respect and awe, like any other performer.</p> I have a lot of friends who are jugglers, and of course being the bay area, the fire arts are huge.. .fire dancers, fire swallowers, fire breathers, etc.. I know many people who would probably have seriously considered it as a real profession were it not so incredibly hard to make a living that way. I definitely think such a performer might have been regarded with true, sincere respect and awe, like any other performer.

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