Comments on: Where Women Rule And Mirrors Are Weapons http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steve http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-63410 Steve Sat, 20 May 2006 16:14:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-63410 <p>What a Women! Great Story!! I googled and found this interesting link to her biography http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/H_0170.HTM</p> <p>Thanks for the story!</p> What a Women! Great Story!! I googled and found this interesting link to her biography http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/H_0170.HTM

Thanks for the story!

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62750 Amardeep Thu, 18 May 2006 01:25:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62750 <p>Yes, Gertrude Stein is a famously difficult poet from around the same time period as V. Woolf.</p> <p>But she wrote some 'fun', user-friendly books too. Try "The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas." It's the "autobiography" of her girlfriend/partner, only it's authored by Gertrude Stein herself.</p> Yes, Gertrude Stein is a famously difficult poet from around the same time period as V. Woolf.

But she wrote some ‘fun’, user-friendly books too. Try “The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas.” It’s the “autobiography” of her girlfriend/partner, only it’s authored by Gertrude Stein herself.

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By: Rupa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62742 Rupa Thu, 18 May 2006 00:07:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62742 <p>Oh..yes yes yes..Virginia Woolf, not Gertrude Stein. Come to think of it, I can't name a single book written by Gertrude Stein. Is she even an author?</p> Oh..yes yes yes..Virginia Woolf, not Gertrude Stein. Come to think of it, I can’t name a single book written by Gertrude Stein. Is she even an author?

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62697 Amardeep Wed, 17 May 2006 21:21:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62697 <p>Thanks for the comment, Rupa -- glad you liked it. I agree with everything you say about context. One small thing: I think you're thinking of Virginia Woolf, not Gertrude Stein. I do think the idea of a 'room of one's own' is all the more pressing in India, what with the extended families and the somewhat different idea of private space than what one finds in the west. It's probably not an accident that Rokeya Hosain wrote this when her husband was out of town; it's probably also not irrelevant that her public, activist life had something to do with him dying early. (Though he did leave her a fair amount of money specifically for her to start a school for girls.)</p> <p>Incidentally, I'm enjoying your blog. You make med school in IC seem like a riot!</p> Thanks for the comment, Rupa — glad you liked it. I agree with everything you say about context. One small thing: I think you’re thinking of Virginia Woolf, not Gertrude Stein. I do think the idea of a ‘room of one’s own’ is all the more pressing in India, what with the extended families and the somewhat different idea of private space than what one finds in the west. It’s probably not an accident that Rokeya Hosain wrote this when her husband was out of town; it’s probably also not irrelevant that her public, activist life had something to do with him dying early. (Though he did leave her a fair amount of money specifically for her to start a school for girls.)

Incidentally, I’m enjoying your blog. You make med school in IC seem like a riot!

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By: Rupa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62670 Rupa Wed, 17 May 2006 19:01:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62670 <p>I finally had a chance to read it -- that was pretty cool. Thanks Amardeep. I can't believe it was published in 1905.</p> <p>I think Leena mentioned this in a previous comment but the whole concept of locking up the perpetrators as superimposed on a patriarchal society is actually pretty revolutionary for 1905. Even TODAY we see that educating about gender equality [so that preconceived societal notions re: gender roles can die away making a safer society for all] we tell girls to stay home and be safe.</p> <p>I think it's always important to consider the CONTEXT in which these and other stories are written by female authors. This is a Muslim woman who just learned English writing in Calcutta in the time of the British Raj. COME ON. Give some credit, yo! Dickens, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky etc were all allowed to pursue their writing as a career. They were allowed to talk about it and live their lives proudly as writers. Jane Austen had to write her books in secret 10-15 minute windows when no one was looking. Gertrude Stein wrote <a href="http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/ownroom.html">a whole book</a> on how women had never yet had a legitimate place in society to pursue writing. We can't discount the context of gender roles of that period when we consider these works.</p> I finally had a chance to read it — that was pretty cool. Thanks Amardeep. I can’t believe it was published in 1905.

I think Leena mentioned this in a previous comment but the whole concept of locking up the perpetrators as superimposed on a patriarchal society is actually pretty revolutionary for 1905. Even TODAY we see that educating about gender equality [so that preconceived societal notions re: gender roles can die away making a safer society for all] we tell girls to stay home and be safe.

I think it’s always important to consider the CONTEXT in which these and other stories are written by female authors. This is a Muslim woman who just learned English writing in Calcutta in the time of the British Raj. COME ON. Give some credit, yo! Dickens, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky etc were all allowed to pursue their writing as a career. They were allowed to talk about it and live their lives proudly as writers. Jane Austen had to write her books in secret 10-15 minute windows when no one was looking. Gertrude Stein wrote a whole book on how women had never yet had a legitimate place in society to pursue writing. We can’t discount the context of gender roles of that period when we consider these works.

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By: SpoorLam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62653 SpoorLam Wed, 17 May 2006 16:58:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62653 <blockquote>As I've mentioned before, in my view feminism makes sense in a worldview where a person has one life to live. In a system where the philosophy advocates rebirth with the notion that you could be reborn as a person of the opposite sex, all arguments of patriarchy/feminism etc fall apart.</blockquote> <p>This is why there is no need for anyone to bother about bride burning, honor killing, wife battering, rape. Vedic women should accept it with a smile, because they can come back as man in their next life, and get their revenge by raping and oppressing women themselves. It feels good, no?</p> <p>This is why any attempt to be feminist is not only discrimination against Hindus, but is an Abrahamic conspiracy against Vedic tolerance.</p> <p>Beware Hindus of Uppity Women! They work for anti-nationals.</p> <p>Hail Mogambo!</p> As I’ve mentioned before, in my view feminism makes sense in a worldview where a person has one life to live. In a system where the philosophy advocates rebirth with the notion that you could be reborn as a person of the opposite sex, all arguments of patriarchy/feminism etc fall apart.

This is why there is no need for anyone to bother about bride burning, honor killing, wife battering, rape. Vedic women should accept it with a smile, because they can come back as man in their next life, and get their revenge by raping and oppressing women themselves. It feels good, no?

This is why any attempt to be feminist is not only discrimination against Hindus, but is an Abrahamic conspiracy against Vedic tolerance.

Beware Hindus of Uppity Women! They work for anti-nationals.

Hail Mogambo!

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By: Shaad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62652 Shaad Wed, 17 May 2006 16:50:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62652 <p>Abhi,</p> <p>For a slightly different take on your fantasy, you might try the short story "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" by James Tiptree, Jr. (the pen name of Alice Sheldon) which features three male astronauts ending up on a future earth populated only by women.</p> Abhi,

For a slightly different take on your fantasy, you might try the short story “Houston, Houston, Do You Read?” by James Tiptree, Jr. (the pen name of Alice Sheldon) which features three male astronauts ending up on a future earth populated only by women.

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By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62639 Jai Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62639 <p><b>MoorNam</b>,</p> <blockquote>As I've mentioned before, in my view feminism makes sense in a worldview where a person has one life to live. In a system where the philosophy advocates rebirth with the notion that you could be reborn as a person of the opposite sex, all arguments of patriarchy/feminism etc fall apart.</blockquote> <p>I think that if a person bears in mind that they have probably been someone of the opposite sex in previous lives, then it should help them to see "the big picture" and at least attempt to have some kind of empathy and consideration for the other party (with the corresponding lack of hypocrisy and double-standards, hopefully). However, I expect that those of a more self-centred, arrogant and generally short-sighted disposition would not be interested in thinking this way, unfortunately.</p> <p>Also, being aware that the man/woman is fundamentally one's fellow human being first and foremost and identifying with them on that level (whilst of course being aware that there are some overlying psychological and physical differences too, but this shouldn't be the overriding viewpoint), rather than purely thinking of them as "the other", would be a constructive attitude to have.</p> <p>I don't believe in Matriarchy any more than I believe than Patriarchy, as both involve the domination of one gender by the other. Neither is the right way forward, in my opinion; ideally, it should be both genders supporting each other and working in partnership, equally. Each party's mutual humanity should be the main concern and point of reference, with the corresponding empathy, respect, and human rights.</p> MoorNam,

As I’ve mentioned before, in my view feminism makes sense in a worldview where a person has one life to live. In a system where the philosophy advocates rebirth with the notion that you could be reborn as a person of the opposite sex, all arguments of patriarchy/feminism etc fall apart.

I think that if a person bears in mind that they have probably been someone of the opposite sex in previous lives, then it should help them to see “the big picture” and at least attempt to have some kind of empathy and consideration for the other party (with the corresponding lack of hypocrisy and double-standards, hopefully). However, I expect that those of a more self-centred, arrogant and generally short-sighted disposition would not be interested in thinking this way, unfortunately.

Also, being aware that the man/woman is fundamentally one’s fellow human being first and foremost and identifying with them on that level (whilst of course being aware that there are some overlying psychological and physical differences too, but this shouldn’t be the overriding viewpoint), rather than purely thinking of them as “the other”, would be a constructive attitude to have.

I don’t believe in Matriarchy any more than I believe than Patriarchy, as both involve the domination of one gender by the other. Neither is the right way forward, in my opinion; ideally, it should be both genders supporting each other and working in partnership, equally. Each party’s mutual humanity should be the main concern and point of reference, with the corresponding empathy, respect, and human rights.

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By: mfunnierthanyou http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62532 mfunnierthanyou Tue, 16 May 2006 20:32:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62532 <p>I predict that, someday in the future, Britney Spears will have a goatee. You heard it here first.</p> I predict that, someday in the future, Britney Spears will have a goatee. You heard it here first.

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By: paze http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/15/where_women_rul/comment-page-1/#comment-62497 paze Tue, 16 May 2006 18:11:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3375#comment-62497 <p>Thanks for writing the post and sharing the links.</p> <p>A society dominated by females, I think, could only be marginally superior to one dominated by males. A feminist society would be one where all genders could participate without fear of discrimination/oppresion based on their differences.</p> Thanks for writing the post and sharing the links.

A society dominated by females, I think, could only be marginally superior to one dominated by males. A feminist society would be one where all genders could participate without fear of discrimination/oppresion based on their differences.

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