Who said anything about eating them as punishment? Read my original post again. @=)

Oh.

Who said anything about eating them as punishment? Read my original post again. @=)

They should be forced to eat something unpleasant, like jalebi. Lots and lots of jalebis.

Nah, jalebi are cool. If you really want to punish someone, give them a lukewarm bowl of baingan bharta. That stuff looks and tastes like it was salvaged out of a medical waste dumpster.

Oh god. I was fearful of someone discovering that comment. Dammit, I shouldn’t have indicated the number of that comment in my posts.

Continue, my friend, continue being a poonaani

BTW, making somebody eat gulab jamuns as punishment is really not punishment. This is like placing a convicted felon in a marble palace rather than a prison cell. They should be forced to eat something unpleasant, like jalebi. Lots and lots of jalebis.

Whoa whoa whoa, no one’s throwing stones here. That little turbaned smiley face after the comment regarding logorrhea? It denotes a certain implicit jocularity in the previous statement: you’re not more guilty of cacoethes scribendi than anyone else here. I thought my follow-up post in plain, unequivocal angreze (the one about syrupy gulab jamams) would quiet talks of a showdown at the Berkeley Corral, but I’ll allow Communis Ricatrix the final word:

CAD, interacting with you is exhausting. Requiring painstaking clarifications and constant reassurance that we like you, we really really like you = high-maintenance.

So there: you’re cool. And I’ll be a poonaani whenever I damn well please. @=)

blockquote>Why don’t we start maybe a thousand years ago. Why arbitrarily start from Hiroshima & Nagasaki?

Well, I was trying to do you a favor by starting after WWII, but even starting from Hiroshima & Nagasaki is arbtirary. A few logical starting points would be: a) 1776; b) 1787; and c) the start of English colonialism in North America; d) 1492. A more flattering one for your argument might be 1865. You pick one, and we can start counting deaths and figuring out how to measure qualitative abuses by the U.S. government and its subsidiaries.

Why don’t you donate your entire income to some charity like Oxfam and henceforth start diverting all your income except for your basic necessities to the said charity. You spending on things like computers, cell phones, extra clothes, friends, family is diverting money from stem famines, end easily eradicable diseases, provide money for food, education, and public health, and a number of other things that would do a world of good for, well, the world. You can start by saving a few. You can take my comment either as sarcastic or serious. If you agree that I am being serious, I will agree with yours.

Well, you certainly make a lot of assumptions about how I spend my money (and I would add time and labor). But the false analogy is besides the point I made–which is that the United States government has the capacity to do a lot of things that it’s not doing to easily improve millions if not billions of people’s lives. Calling me a hypocrite doesn’t undermine my argument or bolster yours.

Now, if you want to get into the extent to which American administrations are constrained by the American political system, or how the nation-state system as a whole produces these kinds of failures through a lack of structural accountability to billions of people, or the failures of states in general, I’m happy to do that with you. But even with the complexity of these issues, you can see particular points to critique easily–like the failure to adequate address the legacy of colonialism, the perpetuation of the same in “national interest”-based foreign policy like Washington Concensus economics, and a total lack of concern for literally billions of people.

CAD wrote:

I know what “logorrheic” means. I’ll see you in front of Walgreens. Come prepared.

DJ Poonaani-jaabi responded:

Sounds like I’m going to have another black eye to explain to the neighbors.

So where were you, hm? Didn’t have the courage to show up, did you? Where were you hiding, behind the bushes near Strawberry Creek?

If I EVER see you on Shattuck Ave, in the BART Station, or loitering around the vicinity of Walgreen’s, you better hope that your legs serve you well.

Don’t be a poonaani and hide your hand after having thrown a stone.

Professor/Lawyer/Your Highness/Your Royalty/Einstein/high tech worker/ Military strategist expert/cum hindutvavadi in California and Senator Manju McCarthy

I addressed each post to the respective person, not making sarcastic comments on other threads in responses to other people’s comments.

And you have the gall to say: “This irrevelent, snarky comment just underlines the fact that when you don’t have anything to say, you simply revert to low blows.”

Of course I have the gall to say this: do you not see the difference? You are sneeringly making comments to me, not AK, about AK as a response to my comment. But if you think that this is not rude, then be my guest; I certainly don’t rule SM!

Re: “misframing” and “misreading” posts, I suggest that you please read your posts, and then the replies that you receive in response.

Clearly, I wasn’t born and raised in India, I have a crappy knowledge of everything, and you are just too, too, too above my level. So, have a nice day and it was nice exchanging comments.

PS. I wrote you a post on “MIA”, and I used the word “jackass”. I apologized there, but if you haven’t read it yet, I apologize to you here on this thread. It was unnecessary and wrong of me to use that word.

You first said

You’ve got it the other way around: the US supported the genocide ever since the Suharto regime (propped up by the US) initiated it. until the US under the Clinton Administration finally decided to end its 30 year support of the Indonesian government’s genocide — this is how East Timor became free. This evidence is found in the State Department’s documents.

My response was:

And if you can provide evidence that the US supported genocide in Indonesia from the state dept records, ask AK to prosecute genocide using all the exotic theories he propounded in the other thread.

Anf you came back with:

You really should stop relying on google to get your information. The State Department documents that I was referring to are all declassified. If you are not aware of the existence of declassified US government documents, then it only sheds light on your ignorance of the information that exists.

This is how you mis-characterize others arguments. I didn’t say that there is no proof on the records, all I said was based on your first assertion that the state department records have proof of complicity on genocide, ask AK who was asserting on the MIA thread about universal jurisdiction to prosecute the US persons responsible for this. I didn’t bring up google not I am ignorant of declassified US Govt documents. Unfortunately for me and a few others, the US declassified hundreds of thousands of pages every year, which includes everything from dealings with Russia to matters related to NASA. Unlike people like you, we don’t have the time to dig some obscure filings pertaining to the US policy in Indonesia in the 70s.

And unlike you I don’t come up with these golden gems:

Professor/Lawyer/Your Highness/Your Royalty/Einstein/high tech worker/ Military strategist expert/cum hindutvavadi in California and Senator Manju McCarthy

And you have the gall to say: “This irrevelent, snarky comment just underlines the fact that when you don’t have anything to say, you simply revert to low blows.”

This is a public board. The readers/viewers can read my comments and your comments and come to their own conclusions. I am not running for a public office or trying to win a poularity contest. And I am not here for scoring points or claiming to be an expert on anything. I just hate to see misinformation being spewed.

Why did you throw this stuff when the US is not responsible. What has the prior US govt got to so with it, and what about the prior French involvement. Where do you stop. And US didn’t ask Pol Pot kill the millions of people. Maybe you need to revisit the Marxist-Maoist idealogy.

If you honestly think that the US is not responsible in the cases I cited, then the US is an angel. Really– the US only engages in wars, interventions, and covert/overt operations simply because it is a benevolent force.

I had stated the US government involvement in Cambodia, and you brought up Pol Pot. I was kindly acknowledging your comment. That doesn’t take away from my initial argument. In addition, even here you are throwing in France. I apologize I didn’t bring in the French, even though I was speaking about the US specifically from the very beginning. But tell you what: when I publish a book on international affairs (certainly won’t be on par with your expertise and knowledge!!)I will also bring in France; and get this: I will dedicate it to you!! “I humbly dedicate this book to Hindutvavadi in California, for the breadth and scope of his vast and impeccable knowledge and expertise, via the google search engine”.

And if you can provide evidence that the US supported genocide in Indonesia from the state dept records, ask AK to prosecute genocide using all the exotic theories he propounded in the other thread.

You really should stop relying on google to get your information. The State Department documents that I was referring to are all declassified. If you are not aware of the existence of declassified US government documents, then it only sheds light on your ignorance of the information that exists.

All those “exotic theories” that AK were actually more grounded than what you were saying. AK’s comments accurately captured the the field of international law and state practice. Maybe AK’s theories sounded more exotic because AK probably didn’t derive all of his information exclusively off the internet. In every single discussion you seem to believe that you are a first class expert on every topic. Don’t be so arrogant; you don’t know me, and you don’t know AK, so lay off of the sarcastic insults, which portray you in a negative light. Furthermore, it is rude and immature for you to take swipes at AK when he has never even commented on this thread. If you have bones to pick with him, please post your sarcastic comments on the thread where both you and AK had exchanges.

I couldn’t find any UN source after extensive googling.

Ah, I see… if you can’t find anything after extensive googling, you simply continue to insist with your questionable and dubious counter-arguments to refute what I was saying. If this is how you validate your arguments- ie extensive googling- then maybe that’s why your opinions are uninformed and disingenous at best (nothing against google, though. I do use it from time to time).

Ask our friend AK to go after these if you think they are prosecutable.

This irrevelent, snarky comment just underlines the fact that when you don’t have anything to say, you simply revert to low blows.

I hopefully will not be adding to the discussion any more, since I find that you throw out numbers and statements without justifications and add additional caveats that don’t relate to the original statements when your assertions are questioned.

Reread my comments before you take the high ground, Your Excellency. I included two figures because you had asked me to. The other comments did not include numbers. Furthermore, I backed up what I was saying; on the other hand, you simply asserted sweeping and empty claims.

Hopefully, I won’t be hearing from you regarding this discussion, because you simply do not have anything to say; making assertions do not constitute an argument in and of itself.