Comments on: Brown illegals look like Ahnold http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Cheap Ass Desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61755 Cheap Ass Desi Fri, 12 May 2006 00:57:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61755 <p>I'll bet 5000 rupees that had his name been not "Arnold" but "Anwar" or worse, "Arnaldo", all of those Desi mutineers poo-pooing illegal immigration would be in this forum right now, baying for blood and frothing at the corners of their mouths.</p> I’ll bet 5000 rupees that had his name been not “Arnold” but “Anwar” or worse, “Arnaldo”, all of those Desi mutineers poo-pooing illegal immigration would be in this forum right now, baying for blood and frothing at the corners of their mouths.

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By: someone else http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61713 someone else Thu, 11 May 2006 22:31:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61713 <p><i>Somehow I knew you were Bengali. Don't ask how, I just knew. Intuition.</i></p> <p>Sadly, I do my utmost to be a walking stereotype. At least on the internets ;)</p> Somehow I knew you were Bengali. Don’t ask how, I just knew. Intuition.

Sadly, I do my utmost to be a walking stereotype. At least on the internets ;)

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By: someone else http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61711 someone else Thu, 11 May 2006 22:25:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61711 <p><i>However, if there was political will, there might be the legal material to do so. Why? Because even now his lawyers wont acknowledge that he violated his visa, which means that he probably didn't tell the INS when he got his greencard, which might constitute fraud.</i></p> <p>As far as I know, there's broad, legal discretion for the DHS or Attorney General to stop a deportation if they feel like it or for Congress to pass a private bill to legalize or terminate immigration proceedings against a particular person (or persons). So the distinction between legal and political here is largely irrelevant, as far as I know (e.g. the Bangladeshi 16 year old that was forced to accept "Voluntary Departure" last year could have been allowed to stay at any point if the DHS or DOJ had used it's discretion).</p> <p>The point about using this as a tactic to call attention to the hypocrisy inherent in opposition to immigration among some is a good one. It also highlights how much of opposition to "immigration" has to do with race.</p> However, if there was political will, there might be the legal material to do so. Why? Because even now his lawyers wont acknowledge that he violated his visa, which means that he probably didn’t tell the INS when he got his greencard, which might constitute fraud.

As far as I know, there’s broad, legal discretion for the DHS or Attorney General to stop a deportation if they feel like it or for Congress to pass a private bill to legalize or terminate immigration proceedings against a particular person (or persons). So the distinction between legal and political here is largely irrelevant, as far as I know (e.g. the Bangladeshi 16 year old that was forced to accept “Voluntary Departure” last year could have been allowed to stay at any point if the DHS or DOJ had used it’s discretion).

The point about using this as a tactic to call attention to the hypocrisy inherent in opposition to immigration among some is a good one. It also highlights how much of opposition to “immigration” has to do with race.

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By: Cheap Ass Desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61664 Cheap Ass Desi Thu, 11 May 2006 19:26:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61664 <p><i>I suppose any dreams of taking down the Terminator are doomed at the prospects of finding anything unlawful in his past.</i></p> <p>I see that my inquiries (see #71, #82) as to whether legal recourse may effectively take care of ex-illegal aliens like Arnold has led us to nowhere.</p> <p>If taking legal action is not an option, what is?</p> <p>Maybe if we put the Minutemen on him?</p> I suppose any dreams of taking down the Terminator are doomed at the prospects of finding anything unlawful in his past.

I see that my inquiries (see #71, #82) as to whether legal recourse may effectively take care of ex-illegal aliens like Arnold has led us to nowhere.

If taking legal action is not an option, what is?

Maybe if we put the Minutemen on him?

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61635 AK Thu, 11 May 2006 18:13:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61635 <blockquote>Isnt there a 10 year statute of limitation on material lies/fraud on the citizenship application? </blockquote> <p>I didn't think that was the case but perhaps I'm wrong. Demjanjuk naturalized in 1958, and denaturalization proceedings weren't initiated until the 1980s, I think.</p> Isnt there a 10 year statute of limitation on material lies/fraud on the citizenship application?

I didn’t think that was the case but perhaps I’m wrong. Demjanjuk naturalized in 1958, and denaturalization proceedings weren’t initiated until the 1980s, I think.

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By: Guru Gulab Khatri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61634 Guru Gulab Khatri Thu, 11 May 2006 18:12:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61634 <blockquote>. Since most people think that the deal that Arnold got was reasonable, this could be used to argue for the same deal for others as well.</blockquote> <p>From a nolegal standpoint i agree, but i think from a legal framework it was not as there was no Schwartzeneger Vs Gonzalez ruling.</p> . Since most people think that the deal that Arnold got was reasonable, this could be used to argue for the same deal for others as well.

From a nolegal standpoint i agree, but i think from a legal framework it was not as there was no Schwartzeneger Vs Gonzalez ruling.

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61615 Al Mujahid for debauchery Thu, 11 May 2006 16:47:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61615 <p>Isnt there a 10 year statute of limitation on material lies/fraud on the citizenship application?</p> Isnt there a 10 year statute of limitation on material lies/fraud on the citizenship application?

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61610 Ennis Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61610 <p>I agree. But if I was an immigrant rights advocate, I might think that the best way to bring attention to the double standard would be to make noise about deporting Arnold (not that they could, it would all be in the hands of the INS). Since most people think that the deal that Arnold got was reasonable, this could be used to argue for the same deal for others as well.</p> I agree. But if I was an immigrant rights advocate, I might think that the best way to bring attention to the double standard would be to make noise about deporting Arnold (not that they could, it would all be in the hands of the INS). Since most people think that the deal that Arnold got was reasonable, this could be used to argue for the same deal for others as well.

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61608 AK Thu, 11 May 2006 16:25:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61608 <blockquote>I'm not an immigration lawyer, and this will never go anywhere. It's just funny/sad in light of his statements about illegal immigrants.</blockquote> <p>Ennis, I don't think that you would disagree with this, but as is implicit in Ms Fink Nottle's comment, I assume that many of us don't <i>actually </i>want to see him denaturalized or deported, given the ways in which the threat of denaturalization and deportation are more routinely used so unjustly. (Though it would be so deliciously satisfying to see him sitting before a hanging immigration judge.) At least speaking for myself, all I want is explicit recognition of the gross double standard involved in all of these arguments to excuse him, as well as a recognition that these kinds of immigration violations should indeed be excused more easily and more frequently -- and for everyone, not just rich Hollywood bimbotrons -- than they are now. (Though maybe that does require a leveling a credible threat against him.) As Mae Ngai <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/13/AR2005061301460.html">has argued</a>, we should have a statute of limitations on deportation, and we should restore the avenues for discretionary relief from deportation that were available to many non-citizens for decades before 1996. There isn't a limitations period on denaturalization, either, and probably should be as well.</p> <p>But at the end of the day, I hope for is a way to use his immigration record as an effective argument against these sweeping and punitive immigration proposals.</p> I’m not an immigration lawyer, and this will never go anywhere. It’s just funny/sad in light of his statements about illegal immigrants.

Ennis, I don’t think that you would disagree with this, but as is implicit in Ms Fink Nottle’s comment, I assume that many of us don’t actually want to see him denaturalized or deported, given the ways in which the threat of denaturalization and deportation are more routinely used so unjustly. (Though it would be so deliciously satisfying to see him sitting before a hanging immigration judge.) At least speaking for myself, all I want is explicit recognition of the gross double standard involved in all of these arguments to excuse him, as well as a recognition that these kinds of immigration violations should indeed be excused more easily and more frequently — and for everyone, not just rich Hollywood bimbotrons — than they are now. (Though maybe that does require a leveling a credible threat against him.) As Mae Ngai has argued, we should have a statute of limitations on deportation, and we should restore the avenues for discretionary relief from deportation that were available to many non-citizens for decades before 1996. There isn’t a limitations period on denaturalization, either, and probably should be as well.

But at the end of the day, I hope for is a way to use his immigration record as an effective argument against these sweeping and punitive immigration proposals.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/08/brown_illegals/comment-page-3/#comment-61600 Ennis Thu, 11 May 2006 14:30:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3348#comment-61600 <blockquote>Thanx AK for the information. I suppose any dreams of taking down the Terminator are doomed at the prospects of finding anything unlawful in his past.</blockquote> <p>I think it's a political non-starter, agreed. However, if there was political will, there might be the legal material to do so. Why? Because even now his lawyers wont acknowledge that he violated his visa, which means that he probably didn't tell the INS when he got his greencard, which might constitute fraud.</p> <p>Also, as I mentioned, his bricklaying business involved fraud - they would weaken structures so that they could rebuild them. He admitted this freely back in the day. While the statute of limitations on this offense is long up, involvement in fraudulent activity back then might also get him into trouble.</p> <p>However, I'm not an immigration lawyer, and this will never go anywhere. It's just funny/sad in light of his statements about illegal immigrants.</p> Thanx AK for the information. I suppose any dreams of taking down the Terminator are doomed at the prospects of finding anything unlawful in his past.

I think it’s a political non-starter, agreed. However, if there was political will, there might be the legal material to do so. Why? Because even now his lawyers wont acknowledge that he violated his visa, which means that he probably didn’t tell the INS when he got his greencard, which might constitute fraud.

Also, as I mentioned, his bricklaying business involved fraud – they would weaken structures so that they could rebuild them. He admitted this freely back in the day. While the statute of limitations on this offense is long up, involvement in fraudulent activity back then might also get him into trouble.

However, I’m not an immigration lawyer, and this will never go anywhere. It’s just funny/sad in light of his statements about illegal immigrants.

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