Comments on: That Silver Isn’t Vegetarian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nomenclator http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-265515 nomenclator Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:17:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-265515 <p>Gelatin and agar do not have identical properties. They both gel, but they are not related chemically. The conditions at which they gel, and ungel, are different. As to temperature, and presence of other substances. Gelatin is a protein, an amino-acid polymer. Agar is a hemi-cellulose, a saccharide polymer. Saccharides are the units out of which sugars, starches, hemicellulose, and cellulose, is made - in order of chain length. The longer the chain, the harder it is to digest. Cellulose is generally considered to be "non-soluble fiber." Gelatin is highly digestible. It is readily broken down into constitutent amino acids and these can be reassembled into human proteins, or used to make nucleic acids. Thus is is a source of protein. Agar is not. It contains little or no protein. Hemicellulose is only slightly digestible. It is very difficult for our digetive systems to break it down into components that are small enough to be reused. With the help of gastro-intestinal microorganisms, we can digest it to a slight extent. Most of it passes through unchanged. However since it holds on to water, it is a good stool softener. A moderate amount is good. Too much will cause dire-rear. It is somewhat synonymous with the term "soluble fiber." It is similar to pectin. Flax seeds contain hemicellulose. It is present in moderate amounts in many food, but agar is mostly all hemicellulose. As is pectin, caragheenan, locust bean gum (which is described by several different "gum" names). "Cellulose gum" often refers to similar subtances, obtained from plant matter, the origin of which I am not sure, but which is suspect is cotton fiber or wood fiber.</p> Gelatin and agar do not have identical properties. They both gel, but they are not related chemically. The conditions at which they gel, and ungel, are different. As to temperature, and presence of other substances. Gelatin is a protein, an amino-acid polymer. Agar is a hemi-cellulose, a saccharide polymer. Saccharides are the units out of which sugars, starches, hemicellulose, and cellulose, is made – in order of chain length. The longer the chain, the harder it is to digest. Cellulose is generally considered to be “non-soluble fiber.” Gelatin is highly digestible. It is readily broken down into constitutent amino acids and these can be reassembled into human proteins, or used to make nucleic acids. Thus is is a source of protein. Agar is not. It contains little or no protein. Hemicellulose is only slightly digestible. It is very difficult for our digetive systems to break it down into components that are small enough to be reused. With the help of gastro-intestinal microorganisms, we can digest it to a slight extent. Most of it passes through unchanged. However since it holds on to water, it is a good stool softener. A moderate amount is good. Too much will cause dire-rear. It is somewhat synonymous with the term “soluble fiber.” It is similar to pectin. Flax seeds contain hemicellulose. It is present in moderate amounts in many food, but agar is mostly all hemicellulose. As is pectin, caragheenan, locust bean gum (which is described by several different “gum” names). “Cellulose gum” often refers to similar subtances, obtained from plant matter, the origin of which I am not sure, but which is suspect is cotton fiber or wood fiber.

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By: nomenclator http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-245904 nomenclator Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:06:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-245904 <p>"Just like Kosher items are required to have the K in a circle, it would do companies well to have a green leaf, or a big V in a circle for items deemed to be suitable for vegetarians. Perhaps this is something companies should do anyway, as a courtesy to its vegetarian clientele."</p> <p>Kosher items are not required to have a circled K. Some companies voluntarily have their products certified as Kosher, by a private certifying company, that inspects the manufacturing facility and the process, and whose reputation is trusted. Much like the way, in information technology, a certificate authority company such as Verisign, is trusted to declare another company's encryption method to be Legit. One company that does this is the <a href="http://www.oukosher.org/">Orthodox Union</a>. Acc to what I understand, they charge quite a bit for this service. I seem to recall seeing the <a href="http://www.vegansociety.com/home.php">Vegan Society</a> having somewhat recently begun to offer a similar service, but a more recent search of their web sites turns up nothing.</p> <p>The OU is reputed to do a good job, and reputed to be trustworthy.</p> <p>I believe it would be good to have a <i>private company</i> to do this, for vegan and vegetarian products, similar to the way the Orthodox Union does it for Kosher products. And distinguish between purely vegetable products, and those which may also contain dairy, or eggs. However rather than being trained only in vegan concepts, it would seem to me that such a company should have vegan or vegetarian chemists and chemical engineers, as distinguishing between animal, vegetable, and mineral materials, contained in very complex commercial products, can requre quite a lot of knowledge.</p> <p>Small organizations like the <a href="http://shakahara.com">Earthly Origin of Commerical Materials Educational Org</a> are attempting to accumulate and dessminate quality, reliable information, in regard to complex commercial materials, both food materials, and non-food, but have only done so to a small degree. This is my personal baby that I would like to see blossom.</p> “Just like Kosher items are required to have the K in a circle, it would do companies well to have a green leaf, or a big V in a circle for items deemed to be suitable for vegetarians. Perhaps this is something companies should do anyway, as a courtesy to its vegetarian clientele.”

Kosher items are not required to have a circled K. Some companies voluntarily have their products certified as Kosher, by a private certifying company, that inspects the manufacturing facility and the process, and whose reputation is trusted. Much like the way, in information technology, a certificate authority company such as Verisign, is trusted to declare another company’s encryption method to be Legit. One company that does this is the Orthodox Union. Acc to what I understand, they charge quite a bit for this service. I seem to recall seeing the Vegan Society having somewhat recently begun to offer a similar service, but a more recent search of their web sites turns up nothing.

The OU is reputed to do a good job, and reputed to be trustworthy.

I believe it would be good to have a private company to do this, for vegan and vegetarian products, similar to the way the Orthodox Union does it for Kosher products. And distinguish between purely vegetable products, and those which may also contain dairy, or eggs. However rather than being trained only in vegan concepts, it would seem to me that such a company should have vegan or vegetarian chemists and chemical engineers, as distinguishing between animal, vegetable, and mineral materials, contained in very complex commercial products, can requre quite a lot of knowledge.

Small organizations like the Earthly Origin of Commerical Materials Educational Org are attempting to accumulate and dessminate quality, reliable information, in regard to complex commercial materials, both food materials, and non-food, but have only done so to a small degree. This is my personal baby that I would like to see blossom.

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By: Pardesi Gori (lost my caste by eating ghee) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-244564 Pardesi Gori (lost my caste by eating ghee) Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:51:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-244564 <p>Appearantly even Indian ghee <a href="http://news.iskcon.com/node/2148/2009-07-18/how_ghee_being_adulterated"><u>isn't vegetarian anymore</u>. </a></p> Appearantly even Indian ghee isn’t vegetarian anymore.

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By: anti nonvegetarian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-244562 anti nonvegetarian Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:34:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-244562 <p>this was a sad but great post</p> <p>thanks</p> this was a sad but great post

thanks

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By: Thakurdas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-241570 Thakurdas Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:54:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-241570 <ol> <li>Greetings from Malaysia. </li> <li>Vegetarian dishes in a mixed veg/non-veg restaurant invariably never come of the kitchen as untaintedly pure vegetarian .... laddles, sauces, pots all make a merry mix.</li> <li>Thus, a strict vegetarian seeking vegetarian gourmet Chinese vegetarian cuisine in a veg/non-veg restaurant in Mumbai (or elsewhere in India) is either blissfully oblivious of or compromisingly indifferent to the sullied "vegetarian" dish before him.</li> <li>In Malaysia (and in Singapore, Thailand etc), there is a popular cuisine called pure Chinese or Buddhist vegetarian. The dishes are pointedly and decidedly authentic Chinese .... which means chicken, fish prawns.... but all mock meat fashioned out of and in various textures of soya and tofu with noodles, rice, vegetables and the usual suspects. Growing in popularity even in carniverous Malaysia.</li> <li>Are any such restaurants in Mumbai. and/or Gujarat and/or Delhi?</li> <li>I think there is a great market for this sophisticated cuisine in India. Any views for or against or midstream?</li> <li>I am looking for a partner who can provide a rentable property location as his investment.... the balance investment and turnkey solution I can do. Bollywood superstars or wannabes welcome. </li> <li>My mobile is +6019-2161945. My email is thakurdas.naraindas@gmail.com</li> <li>Let's start a green revolution in Mumbai ........</li> </ol>
  • Greetings from Malaysia.
  • Vegetarian dishes in a mixed veg/non-veg restaurant invariably never come of the kitchen as untaintedly pure vegetarian …. laddles, sauces, pots all make a merry mix.
  • Thus, a strict vegetarian seeking vegetarian gourmet Chinese vegetarian cuisine in a veg/non-veg restaurant in Mumbai (or elsewhere in India) is either blissfully oblivious of or compromisingly indifferent to the sullied “vegetarian” dish before him.
  • In Malaysia (and in Singapore, Thailand etc), there is a popular cuisine called pure Chinese or Buddhist vegetarian. The dishes are pointedly and decidedly authentic Chinese …. which means chicken, fish prawns…. but all mock meat fashioned out of and in various textures of soya and tofu with noodles, rice, vegetables and the usual suspects. Growing in popularity even in carniverous Malaysia.
  • Are any such restaurants in Mumbai. and/or Gujarat and/or Delhi?
  • I think there is a great market for this sophisticated cuisine in India. Any views for or against or midstream?
  • I am looking for a partner who can provide a rentable property location as his investment…. the balance investment and turnkey solution I can do. Bollywood superstars or wannabes welcome.
  • My mobile is +6019-2161945. My email is thakurdas.naraindas@gmail.com
  • Let’s start a green revolution in Mumbai ……..
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    By: champs http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-117277 champs Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:25:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-117277 <p>I was really hurt by reading some of the comments which tried to make fun of vegiterians, I am not going to produce here any facts but being a Jain, I follow it to whatever extent I can, and also try to infulence people around me to follow if they wish to, I can't write much though, but would like the people here to do some more research as to what is really the benfits of being a vegiterian, try reading Jain books and articles and it will open your eyes, atleast do some some google, so as to find the practices that Jain follow for vegiterianism, in Jainisim, we should not even wear any stuff made out of leather including belts, burse, bag, etc,a as this is made up of animals, try to read how our Mahrasaab live their life after taking deeksha and then you will know why they live such a life and where do we stand</p> I was really hurt by reading some of the comments which tried to make fun of vegiterians, I am not going to produce here any facts but being a Jain, I follow it to whatever extent I can, and also try to infulence people around me to follow if they wish to, I can’t write much though, but would like the people here to do some more research as to what is really the benfits of being a vegiterian, try reading Jain books and articles and it will open your eyes, atleast do some some google, so as to find the practices that Jain follow for vegiterianism, in Jainisim, we should not even wear any stuff made out of leather including belts, burse, bag, etc,a as this is made up of animals, try to read how our Mahrasaab live their life after taking deeksha and then you will know why they live such a life and where do we stand

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    By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-78741 Ponniyin Selvan Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-78741 <p>Razib the atheist</p> <blockquote>So what's the percentage of Hindus in India who are vegetarians.. yes! i want a scholarly pointer to some information on this topic.</blockquote> <p>The survey of food habits in India is <a href="http://news.sulekha.com/nlink.aspx?cid=121151"> here </a></p> <blockquote>Those who study Indian culture have often wondered if the image of India as a predominantly vegetarian country is correct. Market analysts want to know about the new eating habits of the Indian middle class. Economists think of food as the measure of well-being. Despite such widespread interest, there have been very few attempts to study the food habits of the Indian population. The Hindu -CNN-IBN State of the Nation Survey is one of the few such attempts. The poll, conducted between August 1 and 6, is based on interviews with 14,680 respondents, spread across 883 villages and urban areas in 19 States. </blockquote> <p>..</p> <blockquote>The findings show that only 31 per cent of Indians are vegetarians. The figure is 21 per cent for families (with all vegetarian members). Another nine per cent of the population is `eggetarian,' or vegetarians who eat eggs.</blockquote> <p>Wow, my guess of 70% (non-veg) hits the mark.. Another myth that the people in the south are vegetarians goes for a toss..</p> <blockquote>As expected, the lowest proportion of vegetarian families are in coastal States such as Kerala (two per cent), Tamil Nadu (eight per cent), Andhra Pradesh (four per cent), Orissa (eight per cent) and Bengal (three per cent). </blockquote> Razib the atheist

    So what’s the percentage of Hindus in India who are vegetarians.. yes! i want a scholarly pointer to some information on this topic.

    The survey of food habits in India is here

    Those who study Indian culture have often wondered if the image of India as a predominantly vegetarian country is correct. Market analysts want to know about the new eating habits of the Indian middle class. Economists think of food as the measure of well-being. Despite such widespread interest, there have been very few attempts to study the food habits of the Indian population. The Hindu -CNN-IBN State of the Nation Survey is one of the few such attempts. The poll, conducted between August 1 and 6, is based on interviews with 14,680 respondents, spread across 883 villages and urban areas in 19 States.

    ..

    The findings show that only 31 per cent of Indians are vegetarians. The figure is 21 per cent for families (with all vegetarian members). Another nine per cent of the population is `eggetarian,’ or vegetarians who eat eggs.

    Wow, my guess of 70% (non-veg) hits the mark.. Another myth that the people in the south are vegetarians goes for a toss..

    As expected, the lowest proportion of vegetarian families are in coastal States such as Kerala (two per cent), Tamil Nadu (eight per cent), Andhra Pradesh (four per cent), Orissa (eight per cent) and Bengal (three per cent).
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    By: Cheap Ass Desi and Amish Chickens http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-63126 Cheap Ass Desi and Amish Chickens Fri, 19 May 2006 06:16:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-63126 <p>For those of you who are not Shakaharis, but would like to have your meat "animal cruelty free", you have an option!</p> <p>In addition to <i>halal</i>, <i>kosher</i>, and various other animal slaughter rituals that have been devised by people/God, there is another community that practices some Tender Loving Care when it comes to meat: <b>The Miller Amish Country Poultry</b> where chickens are "Amish grown, in the old traditional Amish Way".</p> <p>According to the pamphlet, Amish farmers are "peace loving folks who are extremely community minded and express love and concern for each other, so it's natural that they also treat their chickens with tender care... <u>Amish farms have no electricity. Evening lights are provided with kerosene lanterns or gas lamps</u>". Here is the way the Amish Growers deal with their chickens:</p> <blockquote><b>From Egg to Table</b> Our chicks are hatched at our own hatchery in Goshen, Indiana and placed primarily on Amish farms. The birds are raised inside naturally ventilated, curtain sided houses, and are free to roam on open floors which is in stark contrast to egg laying chickens that spend their lives in cages. Many of our farmers still hand feed the chickens. <u>The chickens are then taken to the Orland processing plant where the birds are processed on one of the most sophisticated automated lines in the country</u> while maintaining our superior quality by hand packing and grading.</blockquote> <p>For further information, call 1-800-532-4186</p> For those of you who are not Shakaharis, but would like to have your meat “animal cruelty free”, you have an option!

    In addition to halal, kosher, and various other animal slaughter rituals that have been devised by people/God, there is another community that practices some Tender Loving Care when it comes to meat: The Miller Amish Country Poultry where chickens are “Amish grown, in the old traditional Amish Way”.

    According to the pamphlet, Amish farmers are “peace loving folks who are extremely community minded and express love and concern for each other, so it’s natural that they also treat their chickens with tender care… Amish farms have no electricity. Evening lights are provided with kerosene lanterns or gas lamps“. Here is the way the Amish Growers deal with their chickens:

    From Egg to Table Our chicks are hatched at our own hatchery in Goshen, Indiana and placed primarily on Amish farms. The birds are raised inside naturally ventilated, curtain sided houses, and are free to roam on open floors which is in stark contrast to egg laying chickens that spend their lives in cages. Many of our farmers still hand feed the chickens. The chickens are then taken to the Orland processing plant where the birds are processed on one of the most sophisticated automated lines in the country while maintaining our superior quality by hand packing and grading.

    For further information, call 1-800-532-4186

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    By: Curious_guy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-61573 Curious_guy Thu, 11 May 2006 06:21:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-61573 <p>I'm curious - what are people's thoughts on what Marvin Harris had to say in "Cows, Pigs, Wars, Witches"? I mean, why do YOU choose to not eat beef? <a href="http://www.sociology101.net/sys-tmpl/bindiassacredcow/">"India's Sacred Cow" - MHarris</a></p> I’m curious – what are people’s thoughts on what Marvin Harris had to say in “Cows, Pigs, Wars, Witches”? I mean, why do YOU choose to not eat beef? “India’s Sacred Cow” – MHarris

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    By: Sandy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/06/cause_for_anoth/comment-page-4/#comment-61424 Sandy Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3345#comment-61424 <p>Wow, what a real eye-opener !! Some how I always had a funny feeling towards 'Varak', and I'm glad that being a diabetic and allergic to gluten some how I retained my vegetarianism...:o)</p> <p>Blessings in disguise !!</p> Wow, what a real eye-opener !! Some how I always had a funny feeling towards ‘Varak’, and I’m glad that being a diabetic and allergic to gluten some how I retained my vegetarianism…:o)

    Blessings in disguise !!

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