Comments on: Come On Ride the Train, Hey, Ride It, Woo Woo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: someone else http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60678 someone else Sat, 06 May 2006 08:14:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60678 <p><i>It's funny, what Badmash wrote about TO transit is what I want to write about NY transit. I'm jealous of all your trains and stops and lines!</i></p> <p>Yeah, it's all great until you have to get from Brooklyn to Queens :)</p> It’s funny, what Badmash wrote about TO transit is what I want to write about NY transit. I’m jealous of all your trains and stops and lines!

Yeah, it’s all great until you have to get from Brooklyn to Queens :)

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By: Ananthan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60652 Ananthan Sat, 06 May 2006 05:21:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60652 <p>Another brown angle, <a href="http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/about/minister.htm">Harinder Takhar</a> is the MPP tasked with <a href="http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/news/provincial/2006/060424.htm">fixing</a> the mess... some aren't <a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1146261011516">impressed</a></p> Another brown angle, Harinder Takhar is the MPP tasked with fixing the mess… some aren’t impressed

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By: badmash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60575 badmash Fri, 05 May 2006 23:17:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60575 <p>Haha - well seeing as the Flames couldn't even make it past the first round, we might soon develop a similar habit here ;)</p> <p>Recently there has been an emphasis among city planners on building UP rather that OUT and so some areas around the downtown core - Mission/MardaLoop/Eau Claire - have seen sizable resedential condo/townhouse developments. Still, apart from usual hot spots - Stephen's Ave, 17th and Electric Ave - the place is still a ghost town after the work day. Calgary's still very much a "young-family" centred city. From what I've seen so far, young desi professionals/families are largely buying homes in parts of the city that already have a large desi presence - e.g. NE/NW Calgary i.e. not as much representation in the newly developed areas near downtown and to the South.</p> <p>Trains going North have a mixed crowd (unlike the vanilla Southbound trains) and the NE line is like a little India on wheels during rush hour. I love being there during that time - very friendly crowd, everyone smiles and says "Sat Sree Akal!" NE Calgary is still largely Punjabi, while the desis in the NW are largely Ismaili/Gujju.</p> Haha – well seeing as the Flames couldn’t even make it past the first round, we might soon develop a similar habit here ;)

Recently there has been an emphasis among city planners on building UP rather that OUT and so some areas around the downtown core – Mission/MardaLoop/Eau Claire – have seen sizable resedential condo/townhouse developments. Still, apart from usual hot spots – Stephen’s Ave, 17th and Electric Ave – the place is still a ghost town after the work day. Calgary’s still very much a “young-family” centred city. From what I’ve seen so far, young desi professionals/families are largely buying homes in parts of the city that already have a large desi presence – e.g. NE/NW Calgary i.e. not as much representation in the newly developed areas near downtown and to the South.

Trains going North have a mixed crowd (unlike the vanilla Southbound trains) and the NE line is like a little India on wheels during rush hour. I love being there during that time – very friendly crowd, everyone smiles and says “Sat Sree Akal!” NE Calgary is still largely Punjabi, while the desis in the NW are largely Ismaili/Gujju.

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By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60568 dhaavak Fri, 05 May 2006 23:07:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60568 <p>ha... couldnt resist this ... my dad tells me when he was young and commuting for work between delhi and some god forsaken spot in the distant suburbs, he'd have some unearthly hours to keep - and no public transit - he tells me that the "raat ke musafir" (literally, the travellers of the night) have their own brotherhood and they would stop if hailed on the highway, pick people up , drop them off at the next transition point and so on. dont know if it still works - the thing that scares me is that with the disparity between rich and poor growing so large - this might be a scary option - though i might test it out some time</p> ha… couldnt resist this … my dad tells me when he was young and commuting for work between delhi and some god forsaken spot in the distant suburbs, he’d have some unearthly hours to keep – and no public transit – he tells me that the “raat ke musafir” (literally, the travellers of the night) have their own brotherhood and they would stop if hailed on the highway, pick people up , drop them off at the next transition point and so on. dont know if it still works – the thing that scares me is that with the disparity between rich and poor growing so large – this might be a scary option – though i might test it out some time

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By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60566 dhaavak Fri, 05 May 2006 23:01:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60566 <p>Please please <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060429.JACOBS29/TPStory/TPEntertainment/">read this</a>... jane jacobs' impact on toronto</p> <blockquote>Kensington Market When Ms. Jacobs and her family first moved to the city from New York in 1968, it was the market's humming chaos -- live chickens in cages, a multitude of languages, and thick knots of pedestrian traffic -- that made for love at first sight. Before renting their first apartment on Spadina Road, the family looked for flats along Baldwin Street. When they began house hunting, they revisited the neighbourhood before settling into the Annex. "There was no question that it felt like home to us," Jim Jacobs, her son, remembers of Kensington. "It was the variety, and all the things going on in the street and all the different people. It was the most intense mixture."</blockquote> <p>the thing about jane jacobs was that i would read her... and it'd be like such an emotional release to see written in such precise, clean terms things that are so precious to me... it 's like having a conversation with a friend who's so much smarter than me... and i feel like saying after every thundering passage from her... me too ... me too... and i'd be like waving my hand... mouthing the passages... <br> on a local level, she's also responsible for saving the dooney's cafe on bloor st. i personally dont like that place ... but one less starbucks doesnt hurt. <br> on a personal note, i once mused on this forum about not havign recent heroes... well, she was one - my other hero is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Obree">graeme obree</a>, but that's another story. :-) <br> now back to work... the perennial joke is that half-day means I stop work at 6. ha! more later.</p> Please please read this… jane jacobs’ impact on toronto

Kensington Market When Ms. Jacobs and her family first moved to the city from New York in 1968, it was the market’s humming chaos — live chickens in cages, a multitude of languages, and thick knots of pedestrian traffic — that made for love at first sight. Before renting their first apartment on Spadina Road, the family looked for flats along Baldwin Street. When they began house hunting, they revisited the neighbourhood before settling into the Annex. “There was no question that it felt like home to us,” Jim Jacobs, her son, remembers of Kensington. “It was the variety, and all the things going on in the street and all the different people. It was the most intense mixture.”

the thing about jane jacobs was that i would read her… and it’d be like such an emotional release to see written in such precise, clean terms things that are so precious to me… it ‘s like having a conversation with a friend who’s so much smarter than me… and i feel like saying after every thundering passage from her… me too … me too… and i’d be like waving my hand… mouthing the passages…
on a local level, she’s also responsible for saving the dooney’s cafe on bloor st. i personally dont like that place … but one less starbucks doesnt hurt.
on a personal note, i once mused on this forum about not havign recent heroes… well, she was one – my other hero is graeme obree, but that’s another story. :-)
now back to work… the perennial joke is that half-day means I stop work at 6. ha! more later.

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60556 Neale Fri, 05 May 2006 22:49:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60556 <p>Mastering the Bombay trains gave me, a small town guy, a maha sense of of acclompishment ! I still remember my first week in Bombay and Engg school, I got lost at Byculla station and this kind Muslim gentleman bought me a ticket and guided me to the right platform so i could get back to the hostel.</p> <p>Craning your neck, jogging alongside the incoming train, reaching for that doorway pole, the smell of metal, the leap, its ballet and Bharat Natyam all at once.</p> <p>Neale</p> Mastering the Bombay trains gave me, a small town guy, a maha sense of of acclompishment ! I still remember my first week in Bombay and Engg school, I got lost at Byculla station and this kind Muslim gentleman bought me a ticket and guided me to the right platform so i could get back to the hostel.

Craning your neck, jogging alongside the incoming train, reaching for that doorway pole, the smell of metal, the leap, its ballet and Bharat Natyam all at once.

Neale

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By: Neha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60545 Neha Fri, 05 May 2006 22:24:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60545 <p><b>Badmash from the West</b> - complaining about transit is a fav local hobby, it may even be more popular than blindly supporting a loser hockey team for decades without ever seeing any kind of victory. Alberta is the Canadian Texas and they don't even have footpaths in Dallas so maybe you're being done a favor with the LRT :-)</p> <p>I'm curious, what's the downtown situation like in Calgary now? I was there in 98 and there there was a bit of residential building going on with restaurants and clubs too but it was largely commercial. Jacobs has had a huge influence on urban development in TO and it is thanks to her that our downtown is one of the few in N. America that still has large residential neighborhoods. If more people live in the city then they are able to have a voice against freeways, which mostly cater to drivers from the burbs. One more reason to move to Toronto, J, the womb is calling...!</p> <p><b>Someone else</b>It's funny, what Badmash wrote about TO transit is what I want to write about NY transit. I'm jealous of all your trains and stops and lines!</p> Badmash from the West – complaining about transit is a fav local hobby, it may even be more popular than blindly supporting a loser hockey team for decades without ever seeing any kind of victory. Alberta is the Canadian Texas and they don’t even have footpaths in Dallas so maybe you’re being done a favor with the LRT :-)

I’m curious, what’s the downtown situation like in Calgary now? I was there in 98 and there there was a bit of residential building going on with restaurants and clubs too but it was largely commercial. Jacobs has had a huge influence on urban development in TO and it is thanks to her that our downtown is one of the few in N. America that still has large residential neighborhoods. If more people live in the city then they are able to have a voice against freeways, which mostly cater to drivers from the burbs. One more reason to move to Toronto, J, the womb is calling…!

Someone elseIt’s funny, what Badmash wrote about TO transit is what I want to write about NY transit. I’m jealous of all your trains and stops and lines!

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By: someone else http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60515 someone else Fri, 05 May 2006 21:37:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60515 <p>Oh my God, I love you for writing an urban planning post.</p> <p><i>The Greater Toronto Area has about nine different transit systems, all of which are poorly connected to each other, as the transit folks seem to have missed the amalgamation memo.</i></p> <p>We have this problem in New York too. I think it's largely a vestige of the Jacobs's era (or rather Robert Moses's era) when they put absolutely no money into the public transit system and instead built bridges and highways. We have three commuter train systems, two of which don't connect to the third; two subway systems which don't connect; and, most egregiously, a transportation system that assumes that everyone is going to Manhattan all the time. etc., etc. It's really atrocious.</p> <p>I have to agree with Manish too--sticking your head out the train of the Bombay trains is super fun. Especially when you ride for free :)</p> Oh my God, I love you for writing an urban planning post.

The Greater Toronto Area has about nine different transit systems, all of which are poorly connected to each other, as the transit folks seem to have missed the amalgamation memo.

We have this problem in New York too. I think it’s largely a vestige of the Jacobs’s era (or rather Robert Moses’s era) when they put absolutely no money into the public transit system and instead built bridges and highways. We have three commuter train systems, two of which don’t connect to the third; two subway systems which don’t connect; and, most egregiously, a transportation system that assumes that everyone is going to Manhattan all the time. etc., etc. It’s really atrocious.

I have to agree with Manish too–sticking your head out the train of the Bombay trains is super fun. Especially when you ride for free :)

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60505 Manish Vij Fri, 05 May 2006 21:08:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60505 <p>The trains in Bombay are awesome: cheap, fast (25 minutes from the burbs into downtown on the express train), clean tracks and open air with a great view. Of course, it's only nice off-peak. Other times it's a sweaty crush. Also, the interiors are, uh, minimalist :)</p> The trains in Bombay are awesome: cheap, fast (25 minutes from the burbs into downtown on the express train), clean tracks and open air with a great view. Of course, it’s only nice off-peak. Other times it’s a sweaty crush. Also, the interiors are, uh, minimalist :)

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By: badmash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/05/05/urban_developme/comment-page-1/#comment-60484 badmash Fri, 05 May 2006 19:13:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3340#comment-60484 <p>Question - I've heard that for the most part, even people who commute into Bombay from neighbouring towns/cities (e.g. Pune) do so on trains. Of late, is there a growing culture of car/freeway users in India replacing these commuters or have things remained largely the same?</p> Question – I’ve heard that for the most part, even people who commute into Bombay from neighbouring towns/cities (e.g. Pune) do so on trains. Of late, is there a growing culture of car/freeway users in India replacing these commuters or have things remained largely the same?

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