Comments on: Voices Carry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-60216 Sahej Thu, 04 May 2006 19:37:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-60216 <p>hey that's cool stuff, lots there to think about!</p> hey that’s cool stuff, lots there to think about!

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-60008 Shruti Thu, 04 May 2006 05:03:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-60008 <p>Yeah, I was looking at classes in some British universities and one thing that kept coming up was "Geography of [X]". That was a foreign concept to me, but the more I thought about it, the more I fell in love with it. Giving discourses or imagined communities a physical geography really helps to make connections to reality. Geography of the South Asian American community, geography of capitalism, geography of the body... Geography of the body reminds me of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon">Fanon's</a> term "hyperawareness of corpus schema," in his reflection of an incident on a bus (or train?) where a little white kid looked at him and said out loud to his mother that he was "scared" of the "black man".</p> Yeah, I was looking at classes in some British universities and one thing that kept coming up was “Geography of [X]“. That was a foreign concept to me, but the more I thought about it, the more I fell in love with it. Giving discourses or imagined communities a physical geography really helps to make connections to reality. Geography of the South Asian American community, geography of capitalism, geography of the body… Geography of the body reminds me of Fanon’s term “hyperawareness of corpus schema,” in his reflection of an incident on a bus (or train?) where a little white kid looked at him and said out loud to his mother that he was “scared” of the “black man”.

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By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59942 Sahej Thu, 04 May 2006 01:26:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59942 <p>i think the point about the body being a site of symbols that evoke fear/anger/hate/possessiveness, as you put it, is interesting</p> i think the point about the body being a site of symbols that evoke fear/anger/hate/possessiveness, as you put it, is interesting

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59933 Shruti Thu, 04 May 2006 00:53:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59933 <blockquote>Shruti, I know you're speaking in hyperbole, but ... no, fear of rape is a lot worse than self-censorship in public places. I trained as a rape crisis counsellor when I was in college b/c the issue is so important.</blockquote> <p>Yes, I was speaking in hyperbole. I knew you'd point that out :) I'm trained as a rape crisis counsellor as well. Rape is pretty much the worst crime in my book, so fear of rape is, as you said, far worse than censorship (although you're at risk of getting a little more than just censored, no?)</p> Shruti, I know you’re speaking in hyperbole, but … no, fear of rape is a lot worse than self-censorship in public places. I trained as a rape crisis counsellor when I was in college b/c the issue is so important.

Yes, I was speaking in hyperbole. I knew you’d point that out :) I’m trained as a rape crisis counsellor as well. Rape is pretty much the worst crime in my book, so fear of rape is, as you said, far worse than censorship (although you’re at risk of getting a little more than just censored, no?)

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By: Cheap Ass Desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59835 Cheap Ass Desi Wed, 03 May 2006 20:07:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59835 <p>Ennis:</p> <p>Yes,your excerpt refers to the Bologna train station bombings. But just because the group that planted those bombs was fascist doesn't mean that Bolognesi are Fascists. In fact, Bologna has been known for "La Rossa" because it is a historically Communist city. Many of the Bolognese civic administrations have been staunchly Communist. Not to deny that Fascists may not exist, though. And not to denounce the possibility that Bolognesi administrations cannot be anything but Communitst. The mayor prior to Coferatti (the current mayor) was actually not so lefty (but he wasn't Fascist, at least not that I know of).</p> Ennis:

Yes,your excerpt refers to the Bologna train station bombings. But just because the group that planted those bombs was fascist doesn’t mean that Bolognesi are Fascists. In fact, Bologna has been known for “La Rossa” because it is a historically Communist city. Many of the Bolognese civic administrations have been staunchly Communist. Not to deny that Fascists may not exist, though. And not to denounce the possibility that Bolognesi administrations cannot be anything but Communitst. The mayor prior to Coferatti (the current mayor) was actually not so lefty (but he wasn’t Fascist, at least not that I know of).

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59822 Ennis Wed, 03 May 2006 19:47:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59822 <blockquote>The days following the British bombings, many Bangladeshi young men were targeted by the police (Bologna has a sizable population of Bangladeshis and Pakistanis). One incident in particular was with four Bangladeshi high school students standing at the bus stop. Bolognese police arrived, and threw down the Bangledeshi students onto their backs-- and the students, completely scared out of their wits, kept repeating that they hadn't done anything. When the police were done, a group of Bolognesi- get this- actually applauded. </blockquote> <p>Fascism began in Bologna. It still has traces left:</p> <blockquote>Bologna, August 2, 1980. It was a hot Saturday morning, the <b>first weekend of Italy's traditional holiday month</b>, and thousands of vacationers jostled their way to and from the trains in Bologna's central railroad station. In the midst of that noisy crowd someone ... put down a heavy suitcase, and quickly left the station. The suitcase contained over forty pounds of explosives... At exactly 10:25 AM it exploded, ripping through the crowd, tearing apart the reinforced concrete walls, and bringing the roof crashing down on hundreds of bodies and parts of bodies. In the bloody aftermath, rescue squads worked for over twelve hours to pull the dead and maimed from the rubble. As they labored, a <b>young neofascist</b> entered a telephone booth across town and dialed Bologna's leading newspaper. "This is the Armed Revolutionary Nuclei," he said. "We <b>claim responsibility </b>for the explosion in the railway station." The final toll: <b>eighty-five dead</b>—the eldest an eighty-six-year-old man, the youngest a three-year-old child—and <b>more than two hundred wounded</b>. [<a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/7178">Link</a>]</blockquote> The days following the British bombings, many Bangladeshi young men were targeted by the police (Bologna has a sizable population of Bangladeshis and Pakistanis). One incident in particular was with four Bangladeshi high school students standing at the bus stop. Bolognese police arrived, and threw down the Bangledeshi students onto their backs– and the students, completely scared out of their wits, kept repeating that they hadn’t done anything. When the police were done, a group of Bolognesi- get this- actually applauded.

Fascism began in Bologna. It still has traces left:

Bologna, August 2, 1980. It was a hot Saturday morning, the first weekend of Italy’s traditional holiday month, and thousands of vacationers jostled their way to and from the trains in Bologna’s central railroad station. In the midst of that noisy crowd someone … put down a heavy suitcase, and quickly left the station. The suitcase contained over forty pounds of explosives… At exactly 10:25 AM it exploded, ripping through the crowd, tearing apart the reinforced concrete walls, and bringing the roof crashing down on hundreds of bodies and parts of bodies. In the bloody aftermath, rescue squads worked for over twelve hours to pull the dead and maimed from the rubble. As they labored, a young neofascist entered a telephone booth across town and dialed Bologna’s leading newspaper. “This is the Armed Revolutionary Nuclei,” he said. “We claim responsibility for the explosion in the railway station.” The final toll: eighty-five dead—the eldest an eighty-six-year-old man, the youngest a three-year-old child—and more than two hundred wounded. [Link]
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By: Cheap Ass Desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59819 Cheap Ass Desi Wed, 03 May 2006 19:43:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59819 <p>MV-- No, I'm not performing for all of you. But your suggestion is well taken. You are right, best method is to simply ignore his illogical and inflammatory comments.</p> MV– No, I’m not performing for all of you. But your suggestion is well taken. You are right, best method is to simply ignore his illogical and inflammatory comments.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59817 Ennis Wed, 03 May 2006 19:42:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59817 <blockquote>Awww Ennis! This is as tragic as the fact that a woman can't get drunk at a party without having to think about rape because the first thing she is reminded of as soon as she enters the social scene is that she has a vagina.</blockquote> <p>Shruti, I know you're speaking in hyperbole, but ... no, fear of rape is a lot worse than self-censorship in public places. I trained as a rape crisis counsellor when I was in college b/c the issue is so important.</p> Awww Ennis! This is as tragic as the fact that a woman can’t get drunk at a party without having to think about rape because the first thing she is reminded of as soon as she enters the social scene is that she has a vagina.

Shruti, I know you’re speaking in hyperbole, but … no, fear of rape is a lot worse than self-censorship in public places. I trained as a rape crisis counsellor when I was in college b/c the issue is so important.

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By: Madurai Vivekan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59812 Madurai Vivekan Wed, 03 May 2006 19:36:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59812 <p>Oh for the love of God - Gaurav, please stop chasing people from thread to thread with insults disguised as irrelevant comments. Cheap Ass Desi, please stop responding to him until every one of these threads is closed. If you two really want to have it out, take it off the air. If you're performing for the rest of us, save your fingers.</p> Oh for the love of God – Gaurav, please stop chasing people from thread to thread with insults disguised as irrelevant comments. Cheap Ass Desi, please stop responding to him until every one of these threads is closed. If you two really want to have it out, take it off the air. If you’re performing for the rest of us, save your fingers.

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By: Cheap Ass Desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/28/voices_carry/comment-page-3/#comment-59809 Cheap Ass Desi Wed, 03 May 2006 19:24:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3306#comment-59809 <p>Another thing:</p> <p>I, like many others, including the relatives of the victims of Sept. 11, still would like to know exactly what and who was behind this atrocity. How is that tantamount to denying the Holocaust? We know who acted act out the Holocaust, and we know it took place. I did <b>not</b> say that September 11th never took place. Dipsh*t.</p> Another thing:

I, like many others, including the relatives of the victims of Sept. 11, still would like to know exactly what and who was behind this atrocity. How is that tantamount to denying the Holocaust? We know who acted act out the Holocaust, and we know it took place. I did not say that September 11th never took place. Dipsh*t.

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