Comments on: Nabokov Ninnington http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pooja http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55297 Pooja Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:30:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55297 <p>Cicatrix,</p> <p>Did you read "Opal Mehta"? Would love to hear your thoughts.</p> <p>P.</p> Cicatrix,

Did you read “Opal Mehta”? Would love to hear your thoughts.

P.

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By: ajk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55296 ajk Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:13:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55296 <p>it's like the chick who's afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom 'cos otherwise she won't get laid.</p> <p>haha - awesome gotta love teen angst</p> it’s like the chick who’s afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom ‘cos otherwise she won’t get laid.

haha – awesome gotta love teen angst

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By: ajk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55294 ajk Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:02:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55294 <p>::maybe a reason Lahiri is bashed so much is that we often expect amazing things from 'our own'?::</p> <p>Not to belabour the point (well, maybe we're way past that), but that's really not my reason whatsoever. In fact, I generally shy away from expecting anything in particular (either excellence or otherwise) from brown people simply based on the fact that they are brown - what an extraordinary expectation that would be!</p> <p>But, when Lahiri has a Pulitzer to her name I certainly can point out that - hm, she really doesn't live up to the expectations that come along w/ winning a Pulitzer. Now, that naturally leads to the Q what a Pulitzer award stands for these days , but that's a whole separate argument we don't need to get into.</p> <p>Now, if you want to argue that, as a general rule, we should be as accepting of our mediocre authors (brown or otherwise) as our exceptional ones, then, at the end of the day, you and I should agree to disagree.</p> ::maybe a reason Lahiri is bashed so much is that we often expect amazing things from ‘our own’?::

Not to belabour the point (well, maybe we’re way past that), but that’s really not my reason whatsoever. In fact, I generally shy away from expecting anything in particular (either excellence or otherwise) from brown people simply based on the fact that they are brown – what an extraordinary expectation that would be!

But, when Lahiri has a Pulitzer to her name I certainly can point out that – hm, she really doesn’t live up to the expectations that come along w/ winning a Pulitzer. Now, that naturally leads to the Q what a Pulitzer award stands for these days , but that’s a whole separate argument we don’t need to get into.

Now, if you want to argue that, as a general rule, we should be as accepting of our mediocre authors (brown or otherwise) as our exceptional ones, then, at the end of the day, you and I should agree to disagree.

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By: Al Jibraiq http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55210 Al Jibraiq Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:28:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55210 <blockquote>There are many, many worse writers out there churnin out shite but because Lahiri writes within a western market its almost as if we want to shine our shoes and put on our best dress every time we publish something because non-indians are going to read it as well. it's like the chick who's afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom 'cos otherwise she won't get laid. </blockquote> <p>Woah! The metaphor that crashed to earth...</p> <p>:)</p> There are many, many worse writers out there churnin out shite but because Lahiri writes within a western market its almost as if we want to shine our shoes and put on our best dress every time we publish something because non-indians are going to read it as well. it’s like the chick who’s afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom ‘cos otherwise she won’t get laid.

Woah! The metaphor that crashed to earth…

:)

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By: tashie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55204 tashie Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:14:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55204 <p>MD and cicatrix:</p> <p>-yes, i agree that Lahiri has been bashed WAY too much. I mean her success does come from timing but anyone who's read 'Interpreter of Maladies' cannot help but <em>bow down</em> to her. That kind of writing is pure talent distilled.</p> <p>-Although I said 'The Namesake' is unremarkable, that doesn't mean that it wasn't good. I read it and studied it and most people I know who've read it liked it. It just wasn't out of this world. And v true about Opal Mehta et al look at 'the spices speak to me' post for more debate about turning complex cultural issues into a pg-rated movie where everyone gets to laugh at the weird ethnic families and their crazy ways</p> <p>-Read (although I know these names are a bit obvious)</p> <p>-early Rushdie fiction and later non-fiction (so stay away from late fiction) -anything by Rohinton Mistry -Hari Kunzru esp. 'Transmission' -Amitav Ghosh - 'The Hungry Tide' and others -Bharati Mukherjee -Annamarie Jagose (but she might be hard to find as she is an Indian-NZer) -Vikram Seth (but not 'Golden Gate', its a novel in verse and if those cutesy rhymes at the beginning of 'A Suitable Boy' kinda amused you, wait till you try to chug through hundreds of them) -Monica Ali - 'Brick Lane'</p> <p>-ps maybe a reason Lahiri is bashed so much is that we often expect amazing things from 'our own'? There are many, many worse writers out there churnin out shite but because Lahiri writes within a western market its almost as if we want to shine our shoes and put on our best dress every time we publish something because non-indians are going to read it as well. it's like the chick who's afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom 'cos otherwise she won't get laid.</p> <p>-even though i'm not a big fan of 'opal mehta' type indian chick lit myself, in a strange way its nice to see us being a bit easier on ourselves. i don't really care if 'The Namesake' wasn't the best book ever by an Indian, the fact that so many people recognised its opening passage shows that Lahiri is a compelling writer. And her quiet, mellow style is a refreshing balance to the much-loved elaborate literary acrobatics of others.</p> MD and cicatrix:

-yes, i agree that Lahiri has been bashed WAY too much. I mean her success does come from timing but anyone who’s read ‘Interpreter of Maladies’ cannot help but bow down to her. That kind of writing is pure talent distilled.

-Although I said ‘The Namesake’ is unremarkable, that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t good. I read it and studied it and most people I know who’ve read it liked it. It just wasn’t out of this world. And v true about Opal Mehta et al look at ‘the spices speak to me’ post for more debate about turning complex cultural issues into a pg-rated movie where everyone gets to laugh at the weird ethnic families and their crazy ways

-Read (although I know these names are a bit obvious)

-early Rushdie fiction and later non-fiction (so stay away from late fiction) -anything by Rohinton Mistry -Hari Kunzru esp. ‘Transmission’ -Amitav Ghosh – ‘The Hungry Tide’ and others -Bharati Mukherjee -Annamarie Jagose (but she might be hard to find as she is an Indian-NZer) -Vikram Seth (but not ‘Golden Gate’, its a novel in verse and if those cutesy rhymes at the beginning of ‘A Suitable Boy’ kinda amused you, wait till you try to chug through hundreds of them) -Monica Ali – ‘Brick Lane’

-ps maybe a reason Lahiri is bashed so much is that we often expect amazing things from ‘our own’? There are many, many worse writers out there churnin out shite but because Lahiri writes within a western market its almost as if we want to shine our shoes and put on our best dress every time we publish something because non-indians are going to read it as well. it’s like the chick who’s afraid of getting a zit before she goes the prom ‘cos otherwise she won’t get laid.

-even though i’m not a big fan of ‘opal mehta’ type indian chick lit myself, in a strange way its nice to see us being a bit easier on ourselves. i don’t really care if ‘The Namesake’ wasn’t the best book ever by an Indian, the fact that so many people recognised its opening passage shows that Lahiri is a compelling writer. And her quiet, mellow style is a refreshing balance to the much-loved elaborate literary acrobatics of others.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55162 MD Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:00:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55162 <p>Oh, cicatrix, I remember your defense. Funny, I hate bombast and I love the short, sharp, shocked in writing. But I think the Nabokov excerpt above is the kind of minimalism I'm talking about. When it's stripped bare, I want to see the white of the bones.</p> Oh, cicatrix, I remember your defense. Funny, I hate bombast and I love the short, sharp, shocked in writing. But I think the Nabokov excerpt above is the kind of minimalism I’m talking about. When it’s stripped bare, I want to see the white of the bones.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55161 MD Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:58:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55161 <p>Oh Lord, I didn't mean that 'anyone could have written it' as <b>sour grapes</b>. Good for Lahiri for writing it, for touching people with her writing, and making a buck. I just don't like it, myself, but, whatever. And if <i>you</i> do, fine. I find a lot of stuff turgid these days, from Ian Atonement what'shisname to Lahiri to all that David Sedaris jazz. It's not desi or Lahiri specific. Even 'the time will tell' verdict isn't a verdict as writers are continually 'lost' and discovered, again, and again, and again. My favorite rediscovered author, for the moment, is Nina Berberova. Now that's some 'Russian immigrant in Paris between the wars' fiction. It's brutal. I want vivid, brutal, suffocating, living, alive, dead, prose. I want it all. This? Not. For. Me.</p> <p>Desi-readers: what Indian writers, writing in English 'cause I'm illiterate in everything else, would you suggest? That is vivid, brutal, suffocating, living, alive, dead, prose?</p> Oh Lord, I didn’t mean that ‘anyone could have written it’ as sour grapes. Good for Lahiri for writing it, for touching people with her writing, and making a buck. I just don’t like it, myself, but, whatever. And if you do, fine. I find a lot of stuff turgid these days, from Ian Atonement what’shisname to Lahiri to all that David Sedaris jazz. It’s not desi or Lahiri specific. Even ‘the time will tell’ verdict isn’t a verdict as writers are continually ‘lost’ and discovered, again, and again, and again. My favorite rediscovered author, for the moment, is Nina Berberova. Now that’s some ‘Russian immigrant in Paris between the wars’ fiction. It’s brutal. I want vivid, brutal, suffocating, living, alive, dead, prose. I want it all. This? Not. For. Me.

Desi-readers: what Indian writers, writing in English ’cause I’m illiterate in everything else, would you suggest? That is vivid, brutal, suffocating, living, alive, dead, prose?

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By: cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55147 cicatrix Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:16:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55147 <p>Christ, not again!!</p> <p>Why y'all got to hate on Lahiri so much?</p> <p>(to paraphrase) "Why do white people only care about kama-sutra-yoga-bindi?" "What about our real lives?" "Lahiri is boring- she writes what any of us could have written!" "She's capitalizing on what white people want!!"</p> <p>Bahh.. will nothing please you?</p> <p>See <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002464.html#comment33414">here</a> and further down the thread for my defence.</p> <p>If y'all really want to hate, pick on a better target, yeah? Can we talk about that 'How Opal Mehta Got A Life' Harvard, half-a-mil, chick-lit desi girl yet??</p> Christ, not again!!

Why y’all got to hate on Lahiri so much?

(to paraphrase) “Why do white people only care about kama-sutra-yoga-bindi?” “What about our real lives?” “Lahiri is boring- she writes what any of us could have written!” “She’s capitalizing on what white people want!!”

Bahh.. will nothing please you?

See here and further down the thread for my defence.

If y’all really want to hate, pick on a better target, yeah? Can we talk about that ‘How Opal Mehta Got A Life’ Harvard, half-a-mil, chick-lit desi girl yet??

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By: technophobicgeek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55026 technophobicgeek Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:07:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55026 <blockquote>Anyone of us could have written that. Come on - is it so hard?</blockquote> <p>Well, maybe. But none of us did. So she gets the credit and the cash :) Life's unfair, no?</p> <p>On a logical level, I do see what the Jhumpa critics are trying to say. However, the book appealed to me so strongly on an emotional and personal level (there were so many moments when I'd read something about some thought that a character had and go 'That's me!') that any literary criticism that I could possible make seemed contrived.</p> <p>You might take lessons in painting and produce work following all the rules of design, but it is not 'art' without that extra 'soul'. Sometimes something just works for an audience; that is the ultimate judgement of a piece of art, and no armies of wise critics can hope to contest that.</p> Anyone of us could have written that. Come on – is it so hard?

Well, maybe. But none of us did. So she gets the credit and the cash :) Life’s unfair, no?

On a logical level, I do see what the Jhumpa critics are trying to say. However, the book appealed to me so strongly on an emotional and personal level (there were so many moments when I’d read something about some thought that a character had and go ‘That’s me!’) that any literary criticism that I could possible make seemed contrived.

You might take lessons in painting and produce work following all the rules of design, but it is not ‘art’ without that extra ‘soul’. Sometimes something just works for an audience; that is the ultimate judgement of a piece of art, and no armies of wise critics can hope to contest that.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/04/12/the_name_stake/comment-page-1/#comment-55021 Deepa Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:54:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3259#comment-55021 <blockquote>and throws a few chilies around to keep it real</blockquote> <p>My god, that's funny :D</p> and throws a few chilies around to keep it real

My god, that’s funny :D

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