Comments on: The Cash Money Crew http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jashow http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-86667 jashow Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-86667 <p>We studio from UKRAINA</p> <p>About worked there 4 month</p> <p>Our person which was engaged in reception of money from this site on asked the big percent for translations</p> <p>We search for the person who can accept our money for the accounts and send us of money on Ukraina</p> <p>yahoo id: v_nikul@yahoo.com icq 219366622</p> <p>telefon +1 ( 415 ) 992-8734</p> We studio from UKRAINA

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By: vinod-at-large http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52424 vinod-at-large Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:38:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52424 <blockquote>IMO, something similar must have happened in Europe in the 1950's/60's. So, it would be great to see the numbers from Europe from that period too.</blockquote> <p>"Free markets" have a twisted economic history in the Continent.</p> <p>Because this economic policy is very intertwined with free (as in <i>Classical Liberal</i> politics), it's actually somewhat alien to large parts of Europe (that's why on the continent they were originally called "Liberals" - they were individualists in a sea of statists).</p> <p>The UK in the late 18th century --> early 20th was probably the exemplar example in Europe but even then, there were large exceptions (heck, the entire British East India Company had more in common with Amtrak than GM). And even then, the UK post Great Depression was one of the leading voices w.r.t. state socialism (John Maynard Keynes was a brit, for ex; "Fabian" socialism provided the model for India's Oxford educated independence leaders & their <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002090.html">DISASTROUS economic policies</a>)</p> <p>The 50s / mid 60s had fantastic postwar growth but also creeping socialism which led to the inevitable funk of the 70s. It's only in the 80's (Thatcher) that you see "free markets" as an ideal re-emerge as a popular meme (and hence get "good" poll numbers, in the UK at least).</p> <p>By contrast, countries like France, for ex., have always had a deep distrust of markets dating back to Napoleanic or even Feudal times. For many French, "free markets" is synonomous with "Anglo-Saxon" and thus vulgar. Other Western European countries are in between w/ the UK being the most free and France (and perhaps Italy + a few others) the least receptive to "free markets" (the Nordics are an interesting exception for a couple of reasons - they are pretty good at embracing the dynamics of markets despite a large welfare state... something to dissect another time).</p> <p>The other major exception to all this, of course, is the new Eastern Europe. Countries like Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary are going to see their living standards go from near 3rd world to 1st world within a generation. They're HUNGRY and love their (new) markets.</p> IMO, something similar must have happened in Europe in the 1950′s/60′s. So, it would be great to see the numbers from Europe from that period too.

“Free markets” have a twisted economic history in the Continent.

Because this economic policy is very intertwined with free (as in Classical Liberal politics), it’s actually somewhat alien to large parts of Europe (that’s why on the continent they were originally called “Liberals” – they were individualists in a sea of statists).

The UK in the late 18th century –> early 20th was probably the exemplar example in Europe but even then, there were large exceptions (heck, the entire British East India Company had more in common with Amtrak than GM). And even then, the UK post Great Depression was one of the leading voices w.r.t. state socialism (John Maynard Keynes was a brit, for ex; “Fabian” socialism provided the model for India’s Oxford educated independence leaders & their DISASTROUS economic policies)

The 50s / mid 60s had fantastic postwar growth but also creeping socialism which led to the inevitable funk of the 70s. It’s only in the 80′s (Thatcher) that you see “free markets” as an ideal re-emerge as a popular meme (and hence get “good” poll numbers, in the UK at least).

By contrast, countries like France, for ex., have always had a deep distrust of markets dating back to Napoleanic or even Feudal times. For many French, “free markets” is synonomous with “Anglo-Saxon” and thus vulgar. Other Western European countries are in between w/ the UK being the most free and France (and perhaps Italy + a few others) the least receptive to “free markets” (the Nordics are an interesting exception for a couple of reasons – they are pretty good at embracing the dynamics of markets despite a large welfare state… something to dissect another time).

The other major exception to all this, of course, is the new Eastern Europe. Countries like Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary are going to see their living standards go from near 3rd world to 1st world within a generation. They’re HUNGRY and love their (new) markets.

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By: Gaurav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52406 Gaurav Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:00:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52406 <p>There is an apt term in Hindi</p> <p>"Mai-Baap" loosely interpreted as triple O. (The punch is lost in litereal translation).</p> <p>This is the attitude in general of Indians towards government*</p> <p>As far as surveys are concerned I think you can prove anything and her mother in law with a suitable sample size and methodology.</p> <ul> <li>All the generalizations about India are false including this one.</li> </ul> <p>Regards</p> There is an apt term in Hindi

“Mai-Baap” loosely interpreted as triple O. (The punch is lost in litereal translation).

This is the attitude in general of Indians towards government*

As far as surveys are concerned I think you can prove anything and her mother in law with a suitable sample size and methodology.

  • All the generalizations about India are false including this one.

Regards

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By: Eswaran http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52383 Eswaran Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:24:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52383 <p><i> Would you prefer to send your kid to a private school or a government school?</p> <p>Would you rather go to a private hospital or a government hospital?</p> <p>Would you prefer to ride in the private buses or take the train?</p> <p>Do you like to watch Cable TV or watch Doordarshan? </i></p> <p>My experience is that people in rural areas will send the children to private schools and at the same time, will curse them for charging (high?) fees and blame the government for not controlling these sharks. Don't underestimate the politics of envy, folks. Many people in rural areas have not seen progress for a long time and have only seen others prospering. Ever heard of the indian crab story?</p> Would you prefer to send your kid to a private school or a government school?

Would you rather go to a private hospital or a government hospital?

Would you prefer to ride in the private buses or take the train?

Do you like to watch Cable TV or watch Doordarshan?

My experience is that people in rural areas will send the children to private schools and at the same time, will curse them for charging (high?) fees and blame the government for not controlling these sharks. Don’t underestimate the politics of envy, folks. Many people in rural areas have not seen progress for a long time and have only seen others prospering. Ever heard of the indian crab story?

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By: Umrao Jan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52382 Umrao Jan Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:19:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52382 <p>Perhaps the high number of positive respondents in Asia is due to the fact that all the countries have only recently, relatively speaking, liberalised their economies (even S. Korea's liberlization gained steam post 1997 financial crisis). Thus, there has been an explosion of a pent up entrepreneurial spirit. People have clearly benefitted from this liberlization because things were so screwed before that and suddenly everybody says, this free market thing is the way to go. IMO, something similar must have happened in Europe in the 1950's/60's. So, it would be great to see the numbers from Europe from that period too. And I wonder how things will look in Asia, which is the most supportive of free markets (and Europeans/Eurasians and Lat Am are the most pessimistic), in about 20-30 years???</p> <p>Badmash...."a hopeful optimism on the part of those who have had little experience living under such a system", you are spot on!!!</p> Perhaps the high number of positive respondents in Asia is due to the fact that all the countries have only recently, relatively speaking, liberalised their economies (even S. Korea’s liberlization gained steam post 1997 financial crisis). Thus, there has been an explosion of a pent up entrepreneurial spirit. People have clearly benefitted from this liberlization because things were so screwed before that and suddenly everybody says, this free market thing is the way to go. IMO, something similar must have happened in Europe in the 1950′s/60′s. So, it would be great to see the numbers from Europe from that period too. And I wonder how things will look in Asia, which is the most supportive of free markets (and Europeans/Eurasians and Lat Am are the most pessimistic), in about 20-30 years???

Badmash….”a hopeful optimism on the part of those who have had little experience living under such a system”, you are spot on!!!

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By: Satish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52381 Satish Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:17:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52381 <p>Hmm..what about the middle east?</p> Hmm..what about the middle east?

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By: Fei http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52374 Fei Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:20:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52374 <p>what a surprise...countries which benefitted from the unfair market system are saying that it's the best...how about polling the South Americans?</p> what a surprise…countries which benefitted from the unfair market system are saying that it’s the best…how about polling the South Americans?

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By: technophobicgeek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52368 technophobicgeek Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:12:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52368 <p>Indian 'illiterates' and poor, especially in the cities, tend to be surprisingly well-informed and entrepreneurial. I'd be surprised if they would not support a system that encourages these. Again, that's somewhat of speculation.</p> Indian ‘illiterates’ and poor, especially in the cities, tend to be surprisingly well-informed and entrepreneurial. I’d be surprised if they would not support a system that encourages these. Again, that’s somewhat of speculation.

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By: tef http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52360 tef Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52360 <p>Krish,</p> <p>Yes the poll was conducted in urban areas. Manish’s blog states this quite clearly. But how do you know that AC Nielsen did not take into account the “socio-economic diversity” of the cities? How do you know that the sampling data was too small? How do you know that the poll had more libertarian types? How many techies are there in the cities? Does the population of techies, even in cities exceed 5%?</p> Krish,

Yes the poll was conducted in urban areas. Manish’s blog states this quite clearly. But how do you know that AC Nielsen did not take into account the “socio-economic diversity” of the cities? How do you know that the sampling data was too small? How do you know that the poll had more libertarian types? How many techies are there in the cities? Does the population of techies, even in cities exceed 5%?

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By: Krish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/28/the_cash_money/comment-page-1/#comment-52351 Krish Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:12:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3210#comment-52351 <p>The poll data is skewed. It only support the sentiments of Urbanites. I am also not sure if the sampling data (which itself is too small a number) represented the socio-economic diversity and illiterates of the metro cities. I am sure the data had more Libertarian kinda guys (dominant among the techies) than others to be a real representation of the society.</p> The poll data is skewed. It only support the sentiments of Urbanites. I am also not sure if the sampling data (which itself is too small a number) represented the socio-economic diversity and illiterates of the metro cities. I am sure the data had more Libertarian kinda guys (dominant among the techies) than others to be a real representation of the society.

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