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good luck walking to school when the oil runs out. oh yeah, and ofcourse, no plastics, unless they find a whole lot more in russia and the north sea and the gulf.

wow, i didnt know people went on like that in this day and age.

and then to have the courage in an anonymous blog to go on the offensive with the vast majority of muslims, they who have better things to do then go after a bunch of extremist crackpot neither representing them or their cultures.

good show.

and i say this with all sincerity, being neither an arab, or a muslim.

Besides uniforms to me bring back memories of school and the very very pretty girl who sat next to me in high school for 3 years… who wants to spoil that memory?

The Extremists have hijacked Islam, the moderates are very shallow and spineless to correct the extremists.

Muslims will have a neagtive image as long as the moderates hide and sadly this will continue on financed by $audi Oil.

I hope the Oil runs out soon, then the Arabs can be nomads once again, because thats what they are good for.

I defer to you on this one, I was under a different impression having had a similar discussion about dress codes/conduct of foreigners in religious areas with some friends in India.

Yes but this dress code is defined by Sikh religious traditions based on precedents stretching back at least 300 years, along with the established consensus on this issue by the Akal Takht and the SGPC. Dress codes within gurdwaras are not defined by the Indian government.

yeah but these uniforms were designed in conjunction with the community at hand. Not the government.

With regards to the Golden Temple, I’d be grateful if evidence could be provided that it is indeed owned by “the state”. I was under the impression that the Golden Temple falls under the jurisdiction of the Akal Takht and the SGPC.

Dress codes apply.

Yes but this dress code is defined by Sikh religious traditions based on precedents stretching back at least 300 years, along with the established consensus on this issue by the Akal Takht and the SGPC. Dress codes within gurdwaras are not defined by the Indian government.

I agree that we have differing viewpoints on whether or not public schools should require uniforms, and as I indicated before, I respect your viewpoint. However, at least in an American constitutional context (i realize that this is a UK issue, but speaking broadly), my point is that there is a constitutional rights issue here. They have to decide whether or not one should be allowed to wear this type of clothing to a public school if one believes that it is a part of their religious expression. IF the answer to this is yes, they should be allowed, then it does not matter that other schools allow it; if this school doesn’t, they are infringing upon the constitutional rights of the girl. However, if it is decided that public schools do not have a duty to allow this level of religious expression, then fine, this school is within its rights. All i’m saying is that this debate should be framed as one of constitutional rights, and not, what you think Islam requires. Different people have different perspectives on how to practice their faith, and it is not up to you or I to tell someone what to do in terms of religion.

Also NOWHERE in the Koran does it REQUIRE women to wear a jibab.

I think it is intellectually dishonest to make general statements such as this. There is disagreement amongst muslim jurists as to what appropriate/required dress is, and there are, IMO, reasonable opinions on both sides of this argument. But to say that it is not required and says so in the Quran is not accurate. There are entire books devoted to these issues, and I am neither knowledgable enough, nor have enough space here to go into that.

Neither the Kaaba nor the Golden temple are privately owned. They are state owned. Dress codes apply. Those are two very quick examples.

You’ll note that I said, ‘for the most part’. You’ve pointed out two examples…great. If you can prove to me that more than, say, 20% of mosques are state owned, then I would agree. In any case, I’m not sure I understood the relevance of that argument anyways, but I’d say MOST mosques are private, and thus are not the same as a public school with regard to dress code.

Interesting that you should choose to defend Islamic fanatics by using the analogies of a murderous political doctrine and pedophiles.