Comments on: Marina Budhos reading today in Manhattan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wholesale hats http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-277813 Wholesale hats Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-277813 <p>Good blog. thanks for sharing!!!!!!welcom to http://www.i-capshop.com <a href="http://www.i-capshop.com"target="_blank">Wholesale New Era Caps</a></p> Good blog. thanks for sharing!!!!!!welcom to http://www.i-capshop.com Wholesale New Era Caps

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By: Kanya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51848 Kanya Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:46:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51848 <p>Al Jibraiq, I couldn't help noticing that all the 'great' SA writers you mention are male. This has always pissed me off, pardon my lang. Back in desh, the Stephanian men were always claiming they spoke up for an entire generation, nation, movement, species etc etc. Ghosh, Tharoor, Chatterjee--all of the same tiresome breed. Not that I don't enjoy their writing, but I also notice the correlation between the supposed span and breadth of their claims and their 'greatness.' Coincidence? I don't see why Lahiri has to represent, speak up for an entire generation. No writer really does. They just claim that they do. I can't help thinking that Jane Austen and the Bronte's would never have made it judged by the criteria of what and whom they 'seem' to represent. The Dickens and Thackerays would have claimed to have the greater handle on history.</p> Al Jibraiq, I couldn’t help noticing that all the ‘great’ SA writers you mention are male. This has always pissed me off, pardon my lang. Back in desh, the Stephanian men were always claiming they spoke up for an entire generation, nation, movement, species etc etc. Ghosh, Tharoor, Chatterjee–all of the same tiresome breed. Not that I don’t enjoy their writing, but I also notice the correlation between the supposed span and breadth of their claims and their ‘greatness.’ Coincidence? I don’t see why Lahiri has to represent, speak up for an entire generation. No writer really does. They just claim that they do. I can’t help thinking that Jane Austen and the Bronte’s would never have made it judged by the criteria of what and whom they ‘seem’ to represent. The Dickens and Thackerays would have claimed to have the greater handle on history.

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By: rrad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51825 rrad Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:14:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51825 <p>I think one of the problems and fair critiques I've heard of Lahiri's work is how much she conceals class/caste differences in her work. Now, one the one hand I think as a fiction writer she has complete freedom in choosing her material, but once her work is interpreted as representative of an entire diasporic population I worry about what is concealed. I think it's possible to find her work moving and troubling at the same time, and I think that part of the issue here has to do with the ghetto-ising of ethnic literature in general, and letting discrete works speak for entire communities.</p> I think one of the problems and fair critiques I’ve heard of Lahiri’s work is how much she conceals class/caste differences in her work. Now, one the one hand I think as a fiction writer she has complete freedom in choosing her material, but once her work is interpreted as representative of an entire diasporic population I worry about what is concealed. I think it’s possible to find her work moving and troubling at the same time, and I think that part of the issue here has to do with the ghetto-ising of ethnic literature in general, and letting discrete works speak for entire communities.

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By: Joolz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51462 Joolz Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:46:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51462 <blockquote>As for Lahiri, it's her artistry I impugn, not her accuracy</blockquote> <p>You didn't impugn her artistry, just lobbed a few cliches about her writing that amount to an opinion. Not very convincing criticism. Although the stuff about jealousy was insightful, yes, I do believe there is some of that.</p> As for Lahiri, it’s her artistry I impugn, not her accuracy

You didn’t impugn her artistry, just lobbed a few cliches about her writing that amount to an opinion. Not very convincing criticism. Although the stuff about jealousy was insightful, yes, I do believe there is some of that.

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By: pravasi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51456 pravasi Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:21:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51456 <p>Oh yeah, the veil strangely reminds me of <a href="http://www.comicstore24.de/images/products/02101.jpg">Kenny </a>from southpark</p> Oh yeah, the veil strangely reminds me of Kenny from southpark

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By: pravasi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51455 pravasi Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:17:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51455 <p>Not sure what to make of the veil...</p> <p>If the choice was mine I believe it would have been more honest (and effective) for Budhos to highlight an unveiled, normal teenage girl on the cover, or perhaps instead of the black veil, a red-white-and blue one. In this book the overzealous, antagonistic powers seem not necessarily Islamic, but American.</p> Not sure what to make of the veil…

If the choice was mine I believe it would have been more honest (and effective) for Budhos to highlight an unveiled, normal teenage girl on the cover, or perhaps instead of the black veil, a red-white-and blue one. In this book the overzealous, antagonistic powers seem not necessarily Islamic, but American.

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51441 Whose God is it anyways? Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:24:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51441 <p>"and I know that authors rarely have a say in the cover art"</p> <p>i don't think that's true for the fairly well established authors who do get to vet their cover art. unless of course the author is happy to leave those details to the publisher. but they always get to see it and can voice their objections/approval.</p> “and I know that authors rarely have a say in the cover art”

i don’t think that’s true for the fairly well established authors who do get to vet their cover art. unless of course the author is happy to leave those details to the publisher. but they always get to see it and can voice their objections/approval.

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By: Al-Jibraiq http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51439 Al-Jibraiq Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:12:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51439 <p>I see your point on the veil, NS. Though, to be fair, the veil is a symbol of Islam and certain Islamic priorities.</p> <p>As for Lahiri, it's her artistry I impugn, not her accuracy. I'm sure she's painfully accurate.</p> I see your point on the veil, NS. Though, to be fair, the veil is a symbol of Islam and certain Islamic priorities.

As for Lahiri, it’s her artistry I impugn, not her accuracy. I’m sure she’s painfully accurate.

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By: NS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51437 NS Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:06:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51437 <p>The description of this book suggests that it won't be one of the stereotypical identity conflict novels that brown authors love to write. However, the reason I am uncomfortable with the cover art is because it is stereotypical--a closer look at the picture reveals might reveal something other than a veiled woman, but that first impression is what counts. In this case, a novel about Islam has a veiled woman on the cover, as if that is THE defining symbol of Islam. It is disappointing (and I know that authors rarely have a say in the cover art) that a promising text about Muslims post-9/11 becomes subverted by the cover art.</p> <p>Al-Jibraiq, I agree with your assessment of Lahiri. As a person of the literati, it's problematic that Lahiri is the poster child for South Asian Americans, when she doesn't represent the second generation accurately.</p> The description of this book suggests that it won’t be one of the stereotypical identity conflict novels that brown authors love to write. However, the reason I am uncomfortable with the cover art is because it is stereotypical–a closer look at the picture reveals might reveal something other than a veiled woman, but that first impression is what counts. In this case, a novel about Islam has a veiled woman on the cover, as if that is THE defining symbol of Islam. It is disappointing (and I know that authors rarely have a say in the cover art) that a promising text about Muslims post-9/11 becomes subverted by the cover art.

Al-Jibraiq, I agree with your assessment of Lahiri. As a person of the literati, it’s problematic that Lahiri is the poster child for South Asian Americans, when she doesn’t represent the second generation accurately.

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By: Al-Jibraiq http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/22/marina_budhos_r/comment-page-1/#comment-51434 Al-Jibraiq Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:50:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3188#comment-51434 <p>It never fails. The Jhumpa love-fest starts and, in the twinkling of an eye, it is supplanted by the Jhumpa hate-fest.</p> <p>Not that either is too far off the mark. She is lovable for all sorts of reasons: she's a good writer, and she's a good-looking writer, and who better to fly the flag for Desi-stan? She writes tightly controlled plots, she's respectful, and she puts up with the shit no-nothings like us dish out all over the internet.</p> <p>On the other hand, I understand the hate-fest too. Jhumpa is not just Jhumpa. She's the beneficiary of two peculiar public desires. One is the tendency in America (and elsewhere) to celebrate the good as if it were the great. A Pulitzer for that Interpreter book? No way. Her prose, as has been remarked before, is mechanical, engineered to within an inch of its microprecise life. She's the straight-A MFA student: she never met an adjective she didn't like, and her books read as if a creative writing teacher would love them. To get a sense of how good she isn't, read her after reading Philip Roth or Alice Munro. Or Rohinton Mistry for that matter, a wonderfully authoritative and expansive writer with genuine insight into the human experience.</p> <p>The second reason the haters go at Jhumpa is that she's been crowned the Brown for Now. So, you could just call it jealousy (some of it is), but there is the very real issue of whether all that hype is better at serving mainstream interests than it is desi interests. Of course, this is a reflection of the industry itself, in which everything is stage-managed and handed to you on a plate. But if you talk to those in the know, you'll realize that there are Indian writers in English who kick Jhumpa's (ahem...very attractive) booty, but who don't get 5% of the recognition, and I think this rubs lovers of literature the wrong way, and that's why they hate on the J-girl. I mean, come on, Chatterjee's "English, August" should have won the Booker, the Pulitzer and the Prix Goncourt all at once. But you just try even finding it at Barnes and Noble. Total disgrace.</p> <p>And then there's all the impressive non-fiction narratives coming out of India and Desi-stan, a body of writing which, in my opinion, is the great brown contribution to contemporary literature: Pankaj Mishra, Suketu Mehta, Amitav Ghosh, Amitava Kumar, Amartya Sen. A truly stunning wave of cultural production. But the hype merchants are only looking for the next Arundati Roy.</p> It never fails. The Jhumpa love-fest starts and, in the twinkling of an eye, it is supplanted by the Jhumpa hate-fest.

Not that either is too far off the mark. She is lovable for all sorts of reasons: she’s a good writer, and she’s a good-looking writer, and who better to fly the flag for Desi-stan? She writes tightly controlled plots, she’s respectful, and she puts up with the shit no-nothings like us dish out all over the internet.

On the other hand, I understand the hate-fest too. Jhumpa is not just Jhumpa. She’s the beneficiary of two peculiar public desires. One is the tendency in America (and elsewhere) to celebrate the good as if it were the great. A Pulitzer for that Interpreter book? No way. Her prose, as has been remarked before, is mechanical, engineered to within an inch of its microprecise life. She’s the straight-A MFA student: she never met an adjective she didn’t like, and her books read as if a creative writing teacher would love them. To get a sense of how good she isn’t, read her after reading Philip Roth or Alice Munro. Or Rohinton Mistry for that matter, a wonderfully authoritative and expansive writer with genuine insight into the human experience.

The second reason the haters go at Jhumpa is that she’s been crowned the Brown for Now. So, you could just call it jealousy (some of it is), but there is the very real issue of whether all that hype is better at serving mainstream interests than it is desi interests. Of course, this is a reflection of the industry itself, in which everything is stage-managed and handed to you on a plate. But if you talk to those in the know, you’ll realize that there are Indian writers in English who kick Jhumpa’s (ahem…very attractive) booty, but who don’t get 5% of the recognition, and I think this rubs lovers of literature the wrong way, and that’s why they hate on the J-girl. I mean, come on, Chatterjee’s “English, August” should have won the Booker, the Pulitzer and the Prix Goncourt all at once. But you just try even finding it at Barnes and Noble. Total disgrace.

And then there’s all the impressive non-fiction narratives coming out of India and Desi-stan, a body of writing which, in my opinion, is the great brown contribution to contemporary literature: Pankaj Mishra, Suketu Mehta, Amitav Ghosh, Amitava Kumar, Amartya Sen. A truly stunning wave of cultural production. But the hype merchants are only looking for the next Arundati Roy.

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