Comments on: Malaysia: Fobs too sexy for jobs http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-219891 bess Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:20:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-219891 <blockquote>A few years back someone was sponsoring free DNA testing if you had chitpavan surname but I didn't do it.</blockquote> <p>Quite a few Melungeons (S.E. Appalachia) are having DNA testing done, <a href="http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Melungeon/2006-10/1160613719">some</a> have discovered they have a close genetic match to the Chitpavan Brahmins.</p> A few years back someone was sponsoring free DNA testing if you had chitpavan surname but I didn’t do it.

Quite a few Melungeons (S.E. Appalachia) are having DNA testing done, some have discovered they have a close genetic match to the Chitpavan Brahmins.

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By: Kobraboy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-219872 Kobraboy Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:39:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-219872 <p>Very interesting to read thoughts on Chitpavans indeed!</p> <p>I am a chitpavan and frankly I don't know what our origins are. I am a 100% kobra - and by that all I mean is that my ancestors on paternal and maternal sides of my family were Chitpavans to as long as I can go (17th century). However, it is indeed true that many of my family members look very different than the "typical" look from the Indian sub-continent. My mother gets confused for a european person but my father is very dark. There are lots of people within my family that have light eyes - blue, green, hazel. My daughter has amazing blue eyes - I am sure partly because my wife is French but I know that I carry that gene since I know my relatives and mother have it.</p> <p>I have observed similar kind of pattern in other chitpavan families. The Imperial Gazette in the 18th or 19th century published a description of Chitpavans that says "we have nordic features" and are employed as spies.</p> <p>Almost all Chitpavan families have a "kulvrutanta" - a book that documents their ancestry as much as is know.</p> <p>Even the word "chitpavan" has conflicting meanings: - one thought is that it means someone who has been brought back to life/purified by fire. One old story I heard is that we are descended from people found on the konkan coast. - another story says that many have origins in Chitpol and hence the name</p> <p>My ancestors migrated from the konkan coast into interior Maharashtra in the 19th century - however, we were always looked on as "different". Our staple diet is slightly different from the "rest" of the inhabitants of Maharashtra.</p> <p>A few years back someone was sponsoring free DNA testing if you had chitpavan surname but I didn't do it.</p> Very interesting to read thoughts on Chitpavans indeed!

I am a chitpavan and frankly I don’t know what our origins are. I am a 100% kobra – and by that all I mean is that my ancestors on paternal and maternal sides of my family were Chitpavans to as long as I can go (17th century). However, it is indeed true that many of my family members look very different than the “typical” look from the Indian sub-continent. My mother gets confused for a european person but my father is very dark. There are lots of people within my family that have light eyes – blue, green, hazel. My daughter has amazing blue eyes – I am sure partly because my wife is French but I know that I carry that gene since I know my relatives and mother have it.

I have observed similar kind of pattern in other chitpavan families. The Imperial Gazette in the 18th or 19th century published a description of Chitpavans that says “we have nordic features” and are employed as spies.

Almost all Chitpavan families have a “kulvrutanta” – a book that documents their ancestry as much as is know.

Even the word “chitpavan” has conflicting meanings: - one thought is that it means someone who has been brought back to life/purified by fire. One old story I heard is that we are descended from people found on the konkan coast. - another story says that many have origins in Chitpol and hence the name

My ancestors migrated from the konkan coast into interior Maharashtra in the 19th century – however, we were always looked on as “different”. Our staple diet is slightly different from the “rest” of the inhabitants of Maharashtra.

A few years back someone was sponsoring free DNA testing if you had chitpavan surname but I didn’t do it.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-217570 boston_mahesh Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:44:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-217570 <p><i>26 · <b>RC</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003137.html#comment50327">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>Ultra-high caste Marathi people tend to have hazel or green eyes. Light brown is also fairly common.</blockquote> I dont know what is Ultra-high caste :-) ... but anyways, these are Kokanastha Brahmins of Maharashtra. (Also called Kobra). They also call themselves <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitpavan" rel="nofollow"> Chitpavan Brahmins</a>. They are a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitpavan" rel="nofollow"> RECENT MIGRATION </a> to India from West Asia. They have distinct light colored eyes and light skin. Famous Kobras are model/actor <a href="http://www.fashionindia.net/models/male/milind_soman.htm" rel="nofollow"> Milind Soman </a>, revolutionaries and freedom fighters such as Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Veer Savarkar, Chafekar brothers etc. and ofcourse <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhuri_Dixit" rel="nofollow">movie star Madhuri Dixit </a> </blockquote> <p>However, one thing that I must admit is that many Indian communities have engaged in revisionist history, and they have effectively changed their own pedigree. The Chitpavan Brahmins, on Wikipedia, claim: (1) Berber origins, (2) Egyptian-Greek origins, (3) and Israeli origins. This highlights that they are very ashamed of their own origins.</p> <p>The common wisdom and the local wisdoms indicate that their origins is from the Portuguese people who ruled there for a while. The Portuguese men intermarried with the local woman.</p> 26 · RC said

Ultra-high caste Marathi people tend to have hazel or green eyes. Light brown is also fairly common.
I dont know what is Ultra-high caste :-) … but anyways, these are Kokanastha Brahmins of Maharashtra. (Also called Kobra). They also call themselves Chitpavan Brahmins. They are a RECENT MIGRATION to India from West Asia. They have distinct light colored eyes and light skin. Famous Kobras are model/actor Milind Soman , revolutionaries and freedom fighters such as Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Veer Savarkar, Chafekar brothers etc. and ofcourse movie star Madhuri Dixit

However, one thing that I must admit is that many Indian communities have engaged in revisionist history, and they have effectively changed their own pedigree. The Chitpavan Brahmins, on Wikipedia, claim: (1) Berber origins, (2) Egyptian-Greek origins, (3) and Israeli origins. This highlights that they are very ashamed of their own origins.

The common wisdom and the local wisdoms indicate that their origins is from the Portuguese people who ruled there for a while. The Portuguese men intermarried with the local woman.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-217566 boston_mahesh Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:36:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-217566 <p><i>53 · <b><a href="mailto:ishrat_camelia@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">lisa mourice</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003137.html#comment72107">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>This is lisa from Chittagong,Bangladesh.Chittagong is the largest port city in bangladesh.Various kinds of people can be found in this city.During 17th century a lot of european traders came here and married local women to spread bussiness.One can easily find european looking people here.I myself have blonde hair,green eyes and reddish skin.A lot of portuguese and italian word can be found in the chittagonian[local language] language.Rest of the bangladeshi can not understand this language.Green,blue,hazel eyed people can also be found throughout Bangladesh.Bangladeshi people are the mixture of europoid,alpean,aryan,middle eastern people. </blockquote> <p>Bangladeshis are also part Dravidian and Chinese and Australoid.</p> 53 · lisa mourice said

This is lisa from Chittagong,Bangladesh.Chittagong is the largest port city in bangladesh.Various kinds of people can be found in this city.During 17th century a lot of european traders came here and married local women to spread bussiness.One can easily find european looking people here.I myself have blonde hair,green eyes and reddish skin.A lot of portuguese and italian word can be found in the chittagonian[local language] language.Rest of the bangladeshi can not understand this language.Green,blue,hazel eyed people can also be found throughout Bangladesh.Bangladeshi people are the mixture of europoid,alpean,aryan,middle eastern people.

Bangladeshis are also part Dravidian and Chinese and Australoid.

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By: Dhawan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-217451 Dhawan Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:39:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-217451 <p>Green eyes do not mean much they are quite common in India. 72% of modern India is pure Aryan. In the ancient times the Aryan was described as a person living in the Indian subcontinent whose colour was from brown to white with specific Indo-Iranian features. This word originated from ancient Indian and Iranian texts.</p> <p>Most people living in the colder parts of Indian subcontinent have extremly light skin. See this Indian Kashmiri Girl-http://www.delhiteam.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/kashmir_muslim_girl.jpg</p> <p>See also this Tajik girl-http://farm1.static.flickr.com/78/392577802_2a0b852458.jpg?v=0</p> <p>Now note the similarilty of looks and colour. In this region people in general are fairer than most Europeans.</b></p> Green eyes do not mean much they are quite common in India. 72% of modern India is pure Aryan. In the ancient times the Aryan was described as a person living in the Indian subcontinent whose colour was from brown to white with specific Indo-Iranian features. This word originated from ancient Indian and Iranian texts.

Most people living in the colder parts of Indian subcontinent have extremly light skin. See this Indian Kashmiri Girl-http://www.delhiteam.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/kashmir_muslim_girl.jpg

See also this Tajik girl-http://farm1.static.flickr.com/78/392577802_2a0b852458.jpg?v=0

Now note the similarilty of looks and colour. In this region people in general are fairer than most Europeans.

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By: drsingh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-194823 drsingh Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:12:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-194823 <p>Its very said. How can they cause social problems if they are helping you by working at construction sites. if you look in to UK, There are millions of illegal immigrants from all over the world but they never said they are creating social problems. everyone is participating in country's ecconomy, doesn't matter if they don't pay much tax.people shouild grow up by now its 21st century or secure your borders, but don't comment so badly to hurt other people. dr singh www.drsingh.org.uk</p> Its very said. How can they cause social problems if they are helping you by working at construction sites. if you look in to UK, There are millions of illegal immigrants from all over the world but they never said they are creating social problems. everyone is participating in country’s ecconomy, doesn’t matter if they don’t pay much tax.people shouild grow up by now its 21st century or secure your borders, but don’t comment so badly to hurt other people. dr singh http://www.drsingh.org.uk

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By: Nowrin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-175290 Nowrin Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:43:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-175290 <p>I'm bangladeshi and my grandma have blue eyes. My mother has hazel eyes, i have light brown eyes. My mother's family originally come from Chitrtagong, so they descend from the Porteugese [I know I spelt that wrong!].</p> I’m bangladeshi and my grandma have blue eyes. My mother has hazel eyes, i have light brown eyes. My mother’s family originally come from Chitrtagong, so they descend from the Porteugese [I know I spelt that wrong!].

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By: Ex-Malaysian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-120260 Ex-Malaysian Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:11:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-120260 <p>Don't get too excited. Some Malaysian politicians - like yours - are idiots. When they can't think of a reasonable excuse for their racial xenophobia, they will come up with all kinds of shit. This is true even when the dominant muslim UMNO party in the ruling BN coalition wants to justify discrimination against non-muslim Malaysians. Just yesterday a Chinese Malaysian Deputy Minister was accused of not providing jobs for muslim graduates although his portfolio is training - he is not allowed to dictate to the private sector that already has to comply with Govt requirements as to distribution of wealth, etc and the Govt sector is 95% or more muslim Malay. Please visit "Malaysia Today" if you want a good laugh or, if you are a Malaysian, to cry. I left because I did not want to put up with this idiocy and took my first world education to a first world country where I'm happy and secure.I fear for Malaysia because I still have a residual affection for the land of my birth and the people I grew up with.</p> Don’t get too excited. Some Malaysian politicians – like yours – are idiots. When they can’t think of a reasonable excuse for their racial xenophobia, they will come up with all kinds of shit. This is true even when the dominant muslim UMNO party in the ruling BN coalition wants to justify discrimination against non-muslim Malaysians. Just yesterday a Chinese Malaysian Deputy Minister was accused of not providing jobs for muslim graduates although his portfolio is training – he is not allowed to dictate to the private sector that already has to comply with Govt requirements as to distribution of wealth, etc and the Govt sector is 95% or more muslim Malay. Please visit “Malaysia Today” if you want a good laugh or, if you are a Malaysian, to cry. I left because I did not want to put up with this idiocy and took my first world education to a first world country where I’m happy and secure.I fear for Malaysia because I still have a residual affection for the land of my birth and the people I grew up with.

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By: 35112 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-110315 35112 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:41:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-110315 <p>"The asian looking ethnic are actually descendant of Mongol origin. The are from Hazara ethnic minority in Afghanistan."</p> <p>just had to add, ALL afghans look quite asian. There is NO stereotypical look for an Asian. ALSO, there are plenty of other ethnic groups (not including ppl who have intermarried, and now identify w/ the father's tribe) who have single eyelid folds - NOT just hazaras - this is not a trait limited to just one ethnic group inside afghanistan. Secondly, if you're going to be talking about AFGHAN history, read a bit more. There is quite a large influence from the turks, not just the mongols, among OTHER groups.</p> “The asian looking ethnic are actually descendant of Mongol origin. The are from Hazara ethnic minority in Afghanistan.”

just had to add, ALL afghans look quite asian. There is NO stereotypical look for an Asian. ALSO, there are plenty of other ethnic groups (not including ppl who have intermarried, and now identify w/ the father’s tribe) who have single eyelid folds – NOT just hazaras – this is not a trait limited to just one ethnic group inside afghanistan. Secondly, if you’re going to be talking about AFGHAN history, read a bit more. There is quite a large influence from the turks, not just the mongols, among OTHER groups.

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By: 3512 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/14/malaysia_fobs_t/comment-page-2/#comment-110314 3512 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:35:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3137#comment-110314 <p>um, afghans can't be judged on what you 'percieve' there are hazaras who look quite pashtun or tajik or uzbek, etc, as well as there are pashtuns who look quite hazara, tajik, etc .... due to the fact that intermarriage between afghans isn't at all uncommon.</p> <p>and most afghans find it just as insulting to be linked with mongols as others do to be linked with indians (no offense to either groups). We just prefer to be considered what we are, afghans</p> um, afghans can’t be judged on what you ‘percieve’ there are hazaras who look quite pashtun or tajik or uzbek, etc, as well as there are pashtuns who look quite hazara, tajik, etc …. due to the fact that intermarriage between afghans isn’t at all uncommon.

and most afghans find it just as insulting to be linked with mongols as others do to be linked with indians (no offense to either groups). We just prefer to be considered what we are, afghans

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