Comments on: “…an important part of growing up there” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ahmed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-53584 ahmed Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:10:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-53584 <p>Do you people really believe there was some overall fbi conspiracy here? Come on - an abusive situation which they taped - Call me crazy but I can't imagine the fbi coercing this guy while taping the whole thing - it doesn't make since. Further, have you overlooked the fact that this guy admits he went to a terrorist training camp where they trained young men to kill Americans in the name of jihad - an admission which was later backed up and corroborated by the admissions of his father. I'm all for a father protecting his son, but protecting his son by lying about his attendance at a terrorist training camp seems a little too much.</p> Do you people really believe there was some overall fbi conspiracy here? Come on – an abusive situation which they taped – Call me crazy but I can’t imagine the fbi coercing this guy while taping the whole thing – it doesn’t make since. Further, have you overlooked the fact that this guy admits he went to a terrorist training camp where they trained young men to kill Americans in the name of jihad – an admission which was later backed up and corroborated by the admissions of his father. I’m all for a father protecting his son, but protecting his son by lying about his attendance at a terrorist training camp seems a little too much.

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By: Rohit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49539 Rohit Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:32:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49539 <p>In Hindi there is a proverb - "Jaisi Karni, waisi bharni" meaning similar to - whatever you sow, you reap. The madarsas and the jihadi camps are not just in Pakistan. They are found in all muslim populated areas - be it India, Indonesia, Middle East, France, Germany, UK etc. etc. Its certain religious leaders in mosques and in these madarsas who have started this hate campaign and have brainwashed people. The funding is coming from insane grants received from the certain OPEC countries and their rulers in the name of religion. I wonder what will happen when the oil tap runs dry. I am sensing that better sense will prevail especially since the world opinion of the moderates is getting stronger. The first jolt has already been delivered to the hardliners by recent visit of Pres Bush. Its not just carrots from now on.</p> In Hindi there is a proverb – “Jaisi Karni, waisi bharni” meaning similar to – whatever you sow, you reap. The madarsas and the jihadi camps are not just in Pakistan. They are found in all muslim populated areas – be it India, Indonesia, Middle East, France, Germany, UK etc. etc. Its certain religious leaders in mosques and in these madarsas who have started this hate campaign and have brainwashed people. The funding is coming from insane grants received from the certain OPEC countries and their rulers in the name of religion. I wonder what will happen when the oil tap runs dry. I am sensing that better sense will prevail especially since the world opinion of the moderates is getting stronger. The first jolt has already been delivered to the hardliners by recent visit of Pres Bush. Its not just carrots from now on.

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By: gatamala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49535 gatamala Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:09:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49535 <p>I think Abhi is right about the attorney not being present. What I want to know is <i><b>where </b></i>they were questioned upon Hamid's return to the US. If they were at home (not "in custody"), the FBI would have not needed to advise them about legal counsel. These days, it would be wise for anyone questioned about anything related to the t-word to immediately seek counsel. Confessions must be voluntary. Considering the circumstances I think this situation is inherently coercive. The Government holds all the cards.</p> <p>As for that informant, I realize that incentives must be offered...but this situation is ripe for abuse by someone with an ax to grind or who wants to keep his ass out of the fire. Tax dollar$ at work.</p> I think Abhi is right about the attorney not being present. What I want to know is where they were questioned upon Hamid’s return to the US. If they were at home (not “in custody”), the FBI would have not needed to advise them about legal counsel. These days, it would be wise for anyone questioned about anything related to the t-word to immediately seek counsel. Confessions must be voluntary. Considering the circumstances I think this situation is inherently coercive. The Government holds all the cards.

As for that informant, I realize that incentives must be offered…but this situation is ripe for abuse by someone with an ax to grind or who wants to keep his ass out of the fire. Tax dollar$ at work.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49527 Abhi Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:32:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49527 <blockquote>Btw, Abhi, How did you divine from the above report that the Hayat's didn't have an attorney present during interrogation?</blockquote> <p>Because if they did have a lawyer he/she has got to be the most stupid lawyer in the U.S. I could have provided better legal advice simply because I watch The Shield. No divination was required.</p> Btw, Abhi, How did you divine from the above report that the Hayat’s didn’t have an attorney present during interrogation?

Because if they did have a lawyer he/she has got to be the most stupid lawyer in the U.S. I could have provided better legal advice simply because I watch The Shield. No divination was required.

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By: Rishi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49524 Rishi Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:56:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49524 <p>Oh well, seems like hollywood is after all, not so creative. Or could it be that FBI is very hollywood<i>ish</i>?? Hmmm.. On the serious note, lot of things unsaid and fuzzy. What did Khan really suggest FBI?</p> Oh well, seems like hollywood is after all, not so creative. Or could it be that FBI is very hollywoodish?? Hmmm.. On the serious note, lot of things unsaid and fuzzy. What did Khan really suggest FBI?

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By: Expose http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49522 Expose Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:48:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49522 <p>Couldn't agree more Deepa, If they are innocent and were sandbagged, it is indeed very tragic. Btw, Abhi, How did you divine from the above report that the Hayat's didn't have an attorney present during interrogation?</p> Couldn’t agree more Deepa, If they are innocent and were sandbagged, it is indeed very tragic. Btw, Abhi, How did you divine from the above report that the Hayat’s didn’t have an attorney present during interrogation?

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49458 Deepa Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:33:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49458 <blockquote>But Griffin said Tuesday that KhanÂ’s greed for FBI cash caused him to push and prod the Hayats to exaggerate their Pakistani terrorism connections. </blockquote> <p>If true, this is the saddest part.</p> But Griffin said Tuesday that KhanÂ’s greed for FBI cash caused him to push and prod the Hayats to exaggerate their Pakistani terrorism connections.

If true, this is the saddest part.

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By: alybaba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49452 alybaba Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:17:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49452 <p>LOL @ rite of passage. That just cracks me up.</p> LOL @ rite of passage. That just cracks me up.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/03/08/an_important_pa/comment-page-1/#comment-49449 Saheli Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:02:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3102#comment-49449 <p><i>The dad, who faces up to 16 years in prison, is basically accused of trying to protect his son by covering up the facts.</i></p> <p>Oh god, that's so sad if that's what happened. . <i>In the Name of the Father</i>, anybody? Overall not the world's best movie, but I think I started bawling in the theater when the inmates dropped the flaming papers out the window in a "candlelit" memorial for gentle papa Giuseppe. There's nothing worse than dragging your parents into your own troubles.</p> The dad, who faces up to 16 years in prison, is basically accused of trying to protect his son by covering up the facts.

Oh god, that’s so sad if that’s what happened. . In the Name of the Father, anybody? Overall not the world’s best movie, but I think I started bawling in the theater when the inmates dropped the flaming papers out the window in a “candlelit” memorial for gentle papa Giuseppe. There’s nothing worse than dragging your parents into your own troubles.

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