Comments on: Update/Art Advisory: “Disappeared” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mariana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-137262 Mariana Thu, 17 May 2007 13:56:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-137262 <p>i encountered a bunch of teenagers on my way back home (i was coming from school), and they started harassing me and screaming "asians fuck off home".:(</p> i encountered a bunch of teenagers on my way back home (i was coming from school), and they started harassing me and screaming “asians fuck off home”.:(

]]> By: Jai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48379 Jai Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:11:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48379 <p><b>PJF</b>,</p> <blockquote>This is gonna sound bad but does keshdari mean?</blockquote> <p>It basically means the opposite of "clean-shaven" in the Sikh sense of the term; technically it refers to Sikhs who have uncut hair (face & head), although since many Sikhs trim their beards these days, it can also be taken to mean Sikh men who basically wear a turban and have a beard to some extent or another.</p> <p><b>Ennis </b>-- please correct me if I've been inaccurate in my explanation.</p> PJF,

This is gonna sound bad but does keshdari mean?

It basically means the opposite of “clean-shaven” in the Sikh sense of the term; technically it refers to Sikhs who have uncut hair (face & head), although since many Sikhs trim their beards these days, it can also be taken to mean Sikh men who basically wear a turban and have a beard to some extent or another.

Ennis – please correct me if I’ve been inaccurate in my explanation.

]]> By: sparky http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48340 sparky Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:39:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48340 <p>PJF, well in that case, of course it's going to be less likely that you're going to be harassed. especially when you've just been here, and don't actually live here.</p> <p>i've never understand the purpose of "it's never happened to me" comments, because the only purpose it serves is to undermine the racist experiences that many people do have to endure; as if they are isolated incidents, instead of what they really are--manifestations of a greater problem. you're 'whiter-looking' than many desis and therefore don't experience harassment--congratulations!</p> PJF, well in that case, of course it’s going to be less likely that you’re going to be harassed. especially when you’ve just been here, and don’t actually live here.

i’ve never understand the purpose of “it’s never happened to me” comments, because the only purpose it serves is to undermine the racist experiences that many people do have to endure; as if they are isolated incidents, instead of what they really are–manifestations of a greater problem. you’re ‘whiter-looking’ than many desis and therefore don’t experience harassment–congratulations!

]]> By: PearlJamFan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48308 PearlJamFan Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:34:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48308 <p>This is gonna sound bad but does keshdari mean?</p> <p>I'm clean shaven and have somewhat lighter skintone then most punjabi's. Since living in Vancouver for almost 4 years with a lot of punjabi people tell me that I don't look punjabi, cause I don't have punajbi features. Whatever that means? One of my dad cousins gave me the nickname parsee,cause I look like one.</p> <p>I have 5 pair of aunt/uncles and 15 older cousins in California and they have not had much problems since 9/11</p> <p>The sikh population is only 500,000 out of 290 millions people, most americans don't know what a sikh is.</p> This is gonna sound bad but does keshdari mean?

I’m clean shaven and have somewhat lighter skintone then most punjabi’s. Since living in Vancouver for almost 4 years with a lot of punjabi people tell me that I don’t look punjabi, cause I don’t have punajbi features. Whatever that means? One of my dad cousins gave me the nickname parsee,cause I look like one.

I have 5 pair of aunt/uncles and 15 older cousins in California and they have not had much problems since 9/11

The sikh population is only 500,000 out of 290 millions people, most americans don’t know what a sikh is.

]]> By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48307 dhaavak Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:28:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48307 <p>thanks guys.. you are scaring the crap out of me... i'm like... swarthy with facial hair and have a somewhat intense look (on the inside i'm really doing the bolly-dance in a green meadow, really!)... and frig me with a thorny stump.. 'cause i have an open jaw ticket from DC ...let's see if the long arm of the law lubes me before probing at dca. <br> no... i wont have this. for every jerk out there in the US, there's more than a handful who will stand up for what's right. nothing to fear but the fear of being feared.</p> thanks guys.. you are scaring the crap out of me… i’m like… swarthy with facial hair and have a somewhat intense look (on the inside i’m really doing the bolly-dance in a green meadow, really!)… and frig me with a thorny stump.. ’cause i have an open jaw ticket from DC …let’s see if the long arm of the law lubes me before probing at dca.
no… i wont have this. for every jerk out there in the US, there’s more than a handful who will stand up for what’s right. nothing to fear but the fear of being feared.

]]> By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48306 Ennis Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:45:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48306 <p>PJF - are you Keshdari? It's a very different experience if you are ...</p> PJF – are you Keshdari? It’s a very different experience if you are …

]]> By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48305 Ennis Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:44:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48305 <p>Except that Sikhaphobia covaries almost exactly with Islamaphobia, and has no other content. I remember this during the Iranian hostage crisis as a youngster, and then during the first Iraq war, etc. Sikhs stand is a proxy for Arabs/Moslems/DirtySandNiggers. It's not just about BinLaden, it far predates him.</p> <p>Imagine if Muslims were being attacked by anti-semites who confused them with Jews. Would it make sense to address the issue of Islamaphobia in that context, or would it be more reasonable to confront the anti-semitism directly?</p> Except that Sikhaphobia covaries almost exactly with Islamaphobia, and has no other content. I remember this during the Iranian hostage crisis as a youngster, and then during the first Iraq war, etc. Sikhs stand is a proxy for Arabs/Moslems/DirtySandNiggers. It’s not just about BinLaden, it far predates him.

Imagine if Muslims were being attacked by anti-semites who confused them with Jews. Would it make sense to address the issue of Islamaphobia in that context, or would it be more reasonable to confront the anti-semitism directly?

]]> By: PearlJamFan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48299 PearlJamFan Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:09:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48299 <p>I live in canada and from a sikh family. But I have been to States after 9/11 and I have never had any problems at all.</p> I live in canada and from a sikh family. But I have been to States after 9/11 and I have never had any problems at all.

]]> By: siddhartha m http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48294 siddhartha m Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:18:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48294 <p>razib, you're splitting hairs. of course sikhs are specially targeted, we've discussed this here any number of times. but that doesn't take away from the validity of what this project is trying to do. let's not arrange the firing squad in a circle. there's room for positive change and awareness on multiple fronts as once.</p> <p>peace</p> razib, you’re splitting hairs. of course sikhs are specially targeted, we’ve discussed this here any number of times. but that doesn’t take away from the validity of what this project is trying to do. let’s not arrange the firing squad in a circle. there’s room for positive change and awareness on multiple fronts as once.

peace

]]> By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/28/updateart_advis/comment-page-1/#comment-48288 razib_the_atheist Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:44:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3065#comment-48288 <p>when my parents were asked about anti-muslim prejudice in the usa (they live in the seattle area) when they visited bangladesh they expressed the opinion that that was trivial compared to anti-sikh prejudice after 9-11. granted, the proximate <i>roots</i>* of the prejudice are derived from islam, but the disproportionate target seem to be sikhs. so, i think that we need to talk about <i>sikhaphobia</i>, if we are going to talk about <i>islamophobia</i>.</p> <ul> <li>i also would contend there were very few people who became anti-muslim after 9-11 from being a state of muslim neutrality. rather, bigoted people were galvanized and found another outlet for 'what comes naturally.'</li> </ul> when my parents were asked about anti-muslim prejudice in the usa (they live in the seattle area) when they visited bangladesh they expressed the opinion that that was trivial compared to anti-sikh prejudice after 9-11. granted, the proximate roots* of the prejudice are derived from islam, but the disproportionate target seem to be sikhs. so, i think that we need to talk about sikhaphobia, if we are going to talk about islamophobia.

  • i also would contend there were very few people who became anti-muslim after 9-11 from being a state of muslim neutrality. rather, bigoted people were galvanized and found another outlet for ‘what comes naturally.’
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