Comments on: UP Minister Joins the Fascist Fray http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47851 Vikram Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:14:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47851 <p>Odd that none of these fanatics are calling for the boycott of Egypt or burning the Egyptian embassy. <a href="http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html">This</a> blogger has scans of the Egyptian news paper that published the cartoons back in October 2005... not a sound from anyone back then. And we're to believe that this is just "righteous indignation"...</p> Odd that none of these fanatics are calling for the boycott of Egypt or burning the Egyptian embassy. This blogger has scans of the Egyptian news paper that published the cartoons back in October 2005… not a sound from anyone back then. And we’re to believe that this is just “righteous indignation”…

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By: Kom http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47788 Kom Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:54:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47788 <p>I think the above was meant to be a satirical take-off of the statements issued by the UP minister and the fatwa issued by the state MPLB or whoever issued it.</p> I think the above was meant to be a satirical take-off of the statements issued by the UP minister and the fatwa issued by the state MPLB or whoever issued it.

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By: Madurai Vivekan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47787 Madurai Vivekan Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:35:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47787 <p>Ok folks, the bounty list has expanded. Kill the following offenders and the Hindu Personal Law Board will give you: Rs. 51 Crores.</p> <blockquote>Hindu Law Board offers Rs 51 cr for killing M F Hussain February 23, 2006 01:05 IST The Hindu Personal Law Board on Wednesday announced a Rs 51 crore reward for eliminating artist M F Hussain. Meanwhile, a Congress minority cell leader offered Rs 11 lakh to any 'patriot' to chop off the painter's hands for hurting Hindu sentiments. "Anyone who kills Hussain for making obscene paintings of goddess Sarswati and Bharat Mata, the Danish cartoonist, those in the German company printing pictures of Ram and Krishna on tissue paper and the French filmmaker desecrating Lord Shiva will be given Rs 51 crore in cash," Ashok Pandey, board president, said in a statement in Lucknow. "Peace will not prevail on earth unless such people are eliminated," he added. Madhya Pradesh Congress committee minority cell vice-chairman Akthar Baig, in a statement in Indore, said the painter had 'played with the sentiments of the people and tried to disrupt communal harmony in the past by painting nude pictures of Hindu gods and goddess and now of Bharat Mata'. It would be in the 'interest of the nation if a patriot will chop off his hands. I will give that person Rs 11 lakh', he said. Baig asked the government to take back all the honours bestowed on the noted painter and declare him a 'traitor'. In an Indore court, Baig had earlier filed a petition against Bollywood actor Dharmendra's purported second marriage to Hema Malini.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/23mf.htm">[Link]</a></p> Ok folks, the bounty list has expanded. Kill the following offenders and the Hindu Personal Law Board will give you: Rs. 51 Crores.

Hindu Law Board offers Rs 51 cr for killing M F Hussain February 23, 2006 01:05 IST The Hindu Personal Law Board on Wednesday announced a Rs 51 crore reward for eliminating artist M F Hussain. Meanwhile, a Congress minority cell leader offered Rs 11 lakh to any ‘patriot’ to chop off the painter’s hands for hurting Hindu sentiments. “Anyone who kills Hussain for making obscene paintings of goddess Sarswati and Bharat Mata, the Danish cartoonist, those in the German company printing pictures of Ram and Krishna on tissue paper and the French filmmaker desecrating Lord Shiva will be given Rs 51 crore in cash,” Ashok Pandey, board president, said in a statement in Lucknow. “Peace will not prevail on earth unless such people are eliminated,” he added. Madhya Pradesh Congress committee minority cell vice-chairman Akthar Baig, in a statement in Indore, said the painter had ‘played with the sentiments of the people and tried to disrupt communal harmony in the past by painting nude pictures of Hindu gods and goddess and now of Bharat Mata’. It would be in the ‘interest of the nation if a patriot will chop off his hands. I will give that person Rs 11 lakh’, he said. Baig asked the government to take back all the honours bestowed on the noted painter and declare him a ‘traitor’. In an Indore court, Baig had earlier filed a petition against Bollywood actor Dharmendra’s purported second marriage to Hema Malini.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47678 RC Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:16:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47678 <p>Oh .. here we go Now its the <a href="http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=63286"> Hindus offering a bounty on the head </a> of M F Hussain for unflattering "drawings" of deities.</p> Oh .. here we go Now its the Hindus offering a bounty on the head of M F Hussain for unflattering “drawings” of deities.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47595 Vikram Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:52:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47595 <p>Back in 1989 this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ"> piece of "artistic expression"</a> created a lot of controversy but there were no cases of arson and mass rioting by the followers of the religion whose symbol was so grossly depicted. I think this current cartoon issue is an indicator of what lies beneath the surface of the rioters mentality. To quote from the tagline of the movie "The Fly"... "be afraid... be very afraid.."</p> Back in 1989 this piece of “artistic expression” created a lot of controversy but there were no cases of arson and mass rioting by the followers of the religion whose symbol was so grossly depicted. I think this current cartoon issue is an indicator of what lies beneath the surface of the rioters mentality. To quote from the tagline of the movie “The Fly”… “be afraid… be very afraid..”

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47590 Sunny Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:36:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47590 <p>The protests in Pakistan have now very little to do with the cartoons, and more to do with the religious fanatics trying to organise a popular uprising against Musharraf. I wrote about this last week... and by the weekend the protestors weren't even bothered with the cartoons, they were chanting anti-musharraf slogans. It's a spark... where it will take us I don't know. TBH though, I hope it doesn't lead to Mushi's downfall.</p> The protests in Pakistan have now very little to do with the cartoons, and more to do with the religious fanatics trying to organise a popular uprising against Musharraf. I wrote about this last week… and by the weekend the protestors weren’t even bothered with the cartoons, they were chanting anti-musharraf slogans. It’s a spark… where it will take us I don’t know. TBH though, I hope it doesn’t lead to Mushi’s downfall.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47577 Abhi Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:26:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47577 <p>Again, I think the situation is different. The Holocaust is an actual mass crime that took place. No crime has taken place in this case. Protestors are using violence because they have been offended. It is okay for a newspaper to be hypocritical. Freedom of speech allows one to not buy the newspaper if they don't like it or to pressure the advertisers of the newspaper through boycott of goods. It is not okay for a government to be hypocritical. I see no hypocrisy here.</p> Again, I think the situation is different. The Holocaust is an actual mass crime that took place. No crime has taken place in this case. Protestors are using violence because they have been offended. It is okay for a newspaper to be hypocritical. Freedom of speech allows one to not buy the newspaper if they don’t like it or to pressure the advertisers of the newspaper through boycott of goods. It is not okay for a government to be hypocritical. I see no hypocrisy here.

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By: Xfile http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47576 Xfile Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:21:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47576 <blockquote>It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again.</blockquote> <p>What thing would never happen again (the denial or the holocaust)? So if people never denied a historical event, how much does that really ensure it cannot happen again? Certainly, raison d'etre of that law is arguable. My point was that there are no absolutes. People who so absolutely support freedom of speech ie without any qualifications, are equally mistaken as those who equate the cartoons case to holocaust denial. That being said, jailing the ex-holocaust denier seems too much (in this particular case)- he spoke decades ago, he no longer condones holocaust-denial and he was a loony historian whom nobody would care for, anyway. Looks like a serious case of Jewish-behind kissing. Also, it will definitely provide islamic rabble-rousers with much more ammo.</p> It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again.

What thing would never happen again (the denial or the holocaust)? So if people never denied a historical event, how much does that really ensure it cannot happen again? Certainly, raison d’etre of that law is arguable. My point was that there are no absolutes. People who so absolutely support freedom of speech ie without any qualifications, are equally mistaken as those who equate the cartoons case to holocaust denial. That being said, jailing the ex-holocaust denier seems too much (in this particular case)- he spoke decades ago, he no longer condones holocaust-denial and he was a loony historian whom nobody would care for, anyway. Looks like a serious case of Jewish-behind kissing. Also, it will definitely provide islamic rabble-rousers with much more ammo.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47571 RC Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:06:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47571 <blockquote>Austria was partially responsible for the Holocaust (an actual crime). It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again. In the case of the Cartoon, Muslims haven't been rounded up and killed in Austria. If that had happened first, THEN this would be hypocritical</blockquote> <p>Even Denmark, If I am not mistaken, has laws against printing Holocaust related literature. Besides the biggest HYPOCRACY of these so called "freedom of speech"ers is that the same paper did not print a Cartoon that would depict Christian faith in unflattering way.</p> <p>I am all for passing laws against Holocaust denying, they need to get off the high horse of "freedom of speech" BS. The reason they have laws against Holocause denying, is that its infalmatory. so were the "cartoons".</p> Austria was partially responsible for the Holocaust (an actual crime). It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again. In the case of the Cartoon, Muslims haven’t been rounded up and killed in Austria. If that had happened first, THEN this would be hypocritical

Even Denmark, If I am not mistaken, has laws against printing Holocaust related literature. Besides the biggest HYPOCRACY of these so called “freedom of speech”ers is that the same paper did not print a Cartoon that would depict Christian faith in unflattering way.

I am all for passing laws against Holocaust denying, they need to get off the high horse of “freedom of speech” BS. The reason they have laws against Holocause denying, is that its infalmatory. so were the “cartoons”.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/19/up_govt_joins_t/comment-page-1/#comment-47568 Abhi Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:44:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=3030#comment-47568 <blockquote>Freedom of speech aint so dang "absolute", after all!! What a way to give more ammunition of the Islamic apologists!</blockquote> <p>I think this situation is different. Austria was partially responsible for the Holocaust (an actual crime). It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again. In the case of the Cartoon, Muslims haven't been rounded up and killed in Austria. If that had happened first, THEN this would be hypocritical</p> Freedom of speech aint so dang “absolute”, after all!! What a way to give more ammunition of the Islamic apologists!

I think this situation is different. Austria was partially responsible for the Holocaust (an actual crime). It makes sense that they would pass a law against Holocaust denying so that such a thing would never happen again. In the case of the Cartoon, Muslims haven’t been rounded up and killed in Austria. If that had happened first, THEN this would be hypocritical

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