Comments on: The politics of mixing http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sonceree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-194776 sonceree Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:14:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-194776 <p>This is a really interesting post... Being a multiracial (Apache, Black, and White) person myself I am always fascinated with various perspectives about interracial marriage. My niece is three weeks old and her father is Indian American; she is Black, White, Apache, and Indian (and of course she is adorable and beautiful!) I have contemplated in my mind how things will be for her (in terms of the perceptions of others)even though I have somewhat of an idea based on my own life experience. I was born in 1978 (in the US when interracial relationships and identities still weren't really accepted; not that they are now, they are just more 'in your face')into an all-white Southern family who wasn't ready for a brown baby. But fortunately everything worked out for the best and we grew up well-loved and happy.</p> <p>The biggest difference will be the reaction from the Indian community/culture which at times seems very exclusive of others and unapproachable. However, in general I have noticed that more Indian men and women are marrying interracially (with Blacks, white, Latinos, and other Asians), again this is especially true with the younger generation. I am starting to se more information on the Net regarding this issue as well. I personally know one Indian girl who was disowned for marrying a Black man - regardless of the fact that he was well educated and professional. This is really unfortunate because her parents are missing out on two beautiful grandchildren and the opportunity to see their daughter in love and happy.</p> <p>As for my niece, we would definitely like her to be able to embrace Indian culture and be raised with both traditions since they are both who she is. I have to admit that I didn't think the Indian side of the family would be very accepting, since initially they didn't want their son to to be with my sister. But surprisingly so far they have been happy and participative in her life; I am hoping this will continue as she grows up.</p> <p>For some reason though I am optimistic that things are a little different now than from when I grew up. In general rascism is an embedded part of America and I don't see it going away. However, it seems like the younger generations are more accepting of each other and are used to interracial relationships and multiracial people.</p> <p>One thing that I can say from my experiences growing up is that the stereotype that multiracial children will be confused is just that - a stereotype. It is really other people (esp. in the US) who are confused by multiracial people, simply because we cannot be placed neatly into one particular category, or one particular box to be checked off; this can make some people very uncomfortable. The most important thing for parents of multiracial children to do is emphasize that their identity is not dictacted or established by other people (and this should really apply to any child), and that a person's identity is not based solely on the color of their skin or that of their parents. Allow them to embrace all of who they are racially, culturally, linguistically, spiritually etc. and this child will have a strong foundation to protect themselves against others who will question, attack them and attempt to make them feel inferior or try to influence their identity.</p> <p>I think multiracial people really demonstrate that this notion of 'race' is unrealistic, and man made. Maybe one day people will wake up and see that it is really just a tool of manipulation.</p> This is a really interesting post… Being a multiracial (Apache, Black, and White) person myself I am always fascinated with various perspectives about interracial marriage. My niece is three weeks old and her father is Indian American; she is Black, White, Apache, and Indian (and of course she is adorable and beautiful!) I have contemplated in my mind how things will be for her (in terms of the perceptions of others)even though I have somewhat of an idea based on my own life experience. I was born in 1978 (in the US when interracial relationships and identities still weren’t really accepted; not that they are now, they are just more ‘in your face’)into an all-white Southern family who wasn’t ready for a brown baby. But fortunately everything worked out for the best and we grew up well-loved and happy.

The biggest difference will be the reaction from the Indian community/culture which at times seems very exclusive of others and unapproachable. However, in general I have noticed that more Indian men and women are marrying interracially (with Blacks, white, Latinos, and other Asians), again this is especially true with the younger generation. I am starting to se more information on the Net regarding this issue as well. I personally know one Indian girl who was disowned for marrying a Black man – regardless of the fact that he was well educated and professional. This is really unfortunate because her parents are missing out on two beautiful grandchildren and the opportunity to see their daughter in love and happy.

As for my niece, we would definitely like her to be able to embrace Indian culture and be raised with both traditions since they are both who she is. I have to admit that I didn’t think the Indian side of the family would be very accepting, since initially they didn’t want their son to to be with my sister. But surprisingly so far they have been happy and participative in her life; I am hoping this will continue as she grows up.

For some reason though I am optimistic that things are a little different now than from when I grew up. In general rascism is an embedded part of America and I don’t see it going away. However, it seems like the younger generations are more accepting of each other and are used to interracial relationships and multiracial people.

One thing that I can say from my experiences growing up is that the stereotype that multiracial children will be confused is just that – a stereotype. It is really other people (esp. in the US) who are confused by multiracial people, simply because we cannot be placed neatly into one particular category, or one particular box to be checked off; this can make some people very uncomfortable. The most important thing for parents of multiracial children to do is emphasize that their identity is not dictacted or established by other people (and this should really apply to any child), and that a person’s identity is not based solely on the color of their skin or that of their parents. Allow them to embrace all of who they are racially, culturally, linguistically, spiritually etc. and this child will have a strong foundation to protect themselves against others who will question, attack them and attempt to make them feel inferior or try to influence their identity.

I think multiracial people really demonstrate that this notion of ‘race’ is unrealistic, and man made. Maybe one day people will wake up and see that it is really just a tool of manipulation.

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By: Desi at Heart http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-120646 Desi at Heart Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:48:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-120646 <p>I am guju married to Vietnamese. In the begining we had to go thru some hard times with my family but now my parents think very highly of my husband. They even go as far as saying things like even a guju boy might not have been as nice as my husband. I am very proud of our union and our very handsome son who is half Indian and half Vietnamese. Like someone on this post said it's all about where your family comes from. Marrying someone from another race or caste does not make you or the other person superior or inferior. Our son is raised with both traditions, culture and religions (buddhist and hindu). We are all god's children!!!!!!!</p> I am guju married to Vietnamese. In the begining we had to go thru some hard times with my family but now my parents think very highly of my husband. They even go as far as saying things like even a guju boy might not have been as nice as my husband. I am very proud of our union and our very handsome son who is half Indian and half Vietnamese. Like someone on this post said it’s all about where your family comes from. Marrying someone from another race or caste does not make you or the other person superior or inferior. Our son is raised with both traditions, culture and religions (buddhist and hindu). We are all god’s children!!!!!!!

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By: Sukhdizzle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-119973 Sukhdizzle Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:41:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-119973 <p>As my parents put it best "Sikhs are a progressive, successful partner in any society they join, their downfall, no matter what is Sikhs cannot get along and rather divide over minute differences."</p> <p>Now i am originally from vancouver island, and i find the difference remarkable between sikhs from there (and interior) and those originally from the city. Vancouver is at best a pretentious city, where its all about stickin to your "kind." The saddest part is this how unnaproachable the sikh community is in general. Being in my mid 20's and seeing how both gender groups act out and about in Van, is pathetic. There is this profound phenomenonon that u cannot speak to male or female without stating who you are with, what your last name is, or who your cousins are! This generation of Sikhs needs to remember the struggles most your parents went through so you could drive your benz, or wear the newest lacoste outfit. Its sad really, most our parents come from no electricity and running water and here in Canada we prance around like gods. I just hope that its a trend that we slowly recognize and break.</p> As my parents put it best “Sikhs are a progressive, successful partner in any society they join, their downfall, no matter what is Sikhs cannot get along and rather divide over minute differences.”

Now i am originally from vancouver island, and i find the difference remarkable between sikhs from there (and interior) and those originally from the city. Vancouver is at best a pretentious city, where its all about stickin to your “kind.” The saddest part is this how unnaproachable the sikh community is in general. Being in my mid 20′s and seeing how both gender groups act out and about in Van, is pathetic. There is this profound phenomenonon that u cannot speak to male or female without stating who you are with, what your last name is, or who your cousins are! This generation of Sikhs needs to remember the struggles most your parents went through so you could drive your benz, or wear the newest lacoste outfit. Its sad really, most our parents come from no electricity and running water and here in Canada we prance around like gods. I just hope that its a trend that we slowly recognize and break.

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By: Neal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-105719 Neal Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:24:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-105719 <blockquote>I'm sorry but men (no matter the race) can't be forced into anything they don't really want to do. Girls, specifically Indian ones, can and do get harassed and forced. Why is this?</blockquote> <p>This is silly. Men can and are forced into doing stuff they don't want all the time. Indian mothers are masters of emotional and psychological manipulation. Parental pressure works on men exactly like it does on women (although maybe focusing on different things): "you're disgracing us, you're killing our culture, etc..."</p> <p>You can get around it, but it's a huge sacrifice (just like it is for a woman). It's always phrased in zero-sum terms, like, "either you marry an Indian woman or you turn your back on your family". However, I do know a few married couples featuring Indian men and white women. But don't ignore the effort it takes to make that work.</p> I’m sorry but men (no matter the race) can’t be forced into anything they don’t really want to do. Girls, specifically Indian ones, can and do get harassed and forced. Why is this?

This is silly. Men can and are forced into doing stuff they don’t want all the time. Indian mothers are masters of emotional and psychological manipulation. Parental pressure works on men exactly like it does on women (although maybe focusing on different things): “you’re disgracing us, you’re killing our culture, etc…”

You can get around it, but it’s a huge sacrifice (just like it is for a woman). It’s always phrased in zero-sum terms, like, “either you marry an Indian woman or you turn your back on your family”. However, I do know a few married couples featuring Indian men and white women. But don’t ignore the effort it takes to make that work.

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By: justagal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-105705 justagal Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:21:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-105705 <p>I am an indian girl married to a white boy, whom I love dearly. He is a great husband and wonderful son-in-law. He has given up meat and alcohol, and respects my culture. To me, this respect matters more than the color of his skin.</p> I am an indian girl married to a white boy, whom I love dearly. He is a great husband and wonderful son-in-law. He has given up meat and alcohol, and respects my culture. To me, this respect matters more than the color of his skin.

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By: mandy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-76214 mandy Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:20:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-76214 <p>Hi</p> <p>I have nothing against mixed couples, but I do an one interesting questions. Why do Indian guys exclusively date only white girls from the Western world and then marry only Indian girls? Before you say that it's because parents forced, I would like to say that I'm sorry but men (no matter the race) can't be forced into anything they don't really want to do. Girls, specifically Indian ones, can and do get harassed and forced. Why is this?</p> Hi

I have nothing against mixed couples, but I do an one interesting questions. Why do Indian guys exclusively date only white girls from the Western world and then marry only Indian girls? Before you say that it’s because parents forced, I would like to say that I’m sorry but men (no matter the race) can’t be forced into anything they don’t really want to do. Girls, specifically Indian ones, can and do get harassed and forced. Why is this?

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By: KINGLIFER http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-69731 KINGLIFER Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:07:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-69731 <p>Just so you know... there is no such thing as "race". Nor Black or White... It works only for Asian,Indian,Latino,Mexiacan because it shows where they are from.</p> <p>In a way.. its silly to even debate. Where is a "black" person from? I know people darker than me from Thailand.</p> <p>Nice post but its around ideas that are not real. People just been force feed its real.</p> Just so you know… there is no such thing as “race”. Nor Black or White… It works only for Asian,Indian,Latino,Mexiacan because it shows where they are from.

In a way.. its silly to even debate. Where is a “black” person from? I know people darker than me from Thailand.

Nice post but its around ideas that are not real. People just been force feed its real.

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-51859 Ponniyin Selvan Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:27:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-51859 <p>This is an interesting post. It is nice to read through the comments. I read somewhere about a blind black man who grew up as a white racist.. Sounded very cool :-)) Everything depends on how you grow up and who/what influences you in childhood.. attitudes about color/religion/food etc..</p> <p>Tara,</p> <p><i>So, for me, almost everything I know has had to be from books, or Bollywood, or the internet. It's very lonely.</i></p> <p>If you want to know more about Tamil identity, Bollywood is the wrong place to go.. Bollywood mostly reflects Punjabi/North Indian culture/identity..</p> This is an interesting post. It is nice to read through the comments. I read somewhere about a blind black man who grew up as a white racist.. Sounded very cool :-) ) Everything depends on how you grow up and who/what influences you in childhood.. attitudes about color/religion/food etc..

Tara,

So, for me, almost everything I know has had to be from books, or Bollywood, or the internet. It’s very lonely.

If you want to know more about Tamil identity, Bollywood is the wrong place to go.. Bollywood mostly reflects Punjabi/North Indian culture/identity..

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By: Abdul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-51855 Abdul Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:16:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-51855 <p>Hello, I am originally from Africa and I grow up in Paris. I live now in California and I am dating an Indian girl.We really love each other but I am scared to see what would be her parents reaction knowing that I am black and... muslim. We have great jobs in the US but she was offered to take an executive "6 figures" position in Bombay. I would like to go to make her proud but my brother is telling me that they will kill us seeing a mixed couple. She is telling me that her parents will be ok but I am not sure since they know me but never saw me and don't know that I am black. We want to get married but I am worried about people's reaction in India. Is it wise to go live in India? What do you think is the best thing to do?</p> <p>By the way, somebody smached her car last week. We don't know yet if it's related to us or not.</p> <p>Thanks</p> Hello, I am originally from Africa and I grow up in Paris. I live now in California and I am dating an Indian girl.We really love each other but I am scared to see what would be her parents reaction knowing that I am black and… muslim. We have great jobs in the US but she was offered to take an executive “6 figures” position in Bombay. I would like to go to make her proud but my brother is telling me that they will kill us seeing a mixed couple. She is telling me that her parents will be ok but I am not sure since they know me but never saw me and don’t know that I am black. We want to get married but I am worried about people’s reaction in India. Is it wise to go live in India? What do you think is the best thing to do?

By the way, somebody smached her car last week. We don’t know yet if it’s related to us or not.

Thanks

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By: amzu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/02/02/the_politics_of/comment-page-2/#comment-47636 amzu Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:04:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2954#comment-47636 <p>i am pakistani muslim and both of my brothers are married to mexican girls...they are very happy and one has 3 kids with the 4th on the way and the other has 1 because both him and his wife are doctors and they barely see each other to have more kids!! I think they would have problems if my mom was to of set them up with some paki girl from pakistan... we were all bought up here and frankly i think desi girls have more issues with not wanting to get along with the inlaws and so on.. it is almost like they are programmed like that from birth.. the mother in law and the hubby's sisters are all evil!! I am not saying this is true for everyone but oh about 75% of desis... hope this post doesnt p anyone off.. just had to say it! by the way yeah, i am a pakistani girl but i came to the u.s when i was 2.. so i get along perfectly with my inlaws.. i actually am the 25% that enjoy thier company!!</p> i am pakistani muslim and both of my brothers are married to mexican girls…they are very happy and one has 3 kids with the 4th on the way and the other has 1 because both him and his wife are doctors and they barely see each other to have more kids!! I think they would have problems if my mom was to of set them up with some paki girl from pakistan… we were all bought up here and frankly i think desi girls have more issues with not wanting to get along with the inlaws and so on.. it is almost like they are programmed like that from birth.. the mother in law and the hubby’s sisters are all evil!! I am not saying this is true for everyone but oh about 75% of desis… hope this post doesnt p anyone off.. just had to say it! by the way yeah, i am a pakistani girl but i came to the u.s when i was 2.. so i get along perfectly with my inlaws.. i actually am the 25% that enjoy thier company!!

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