Comments on: Coopetition http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44452 Manish Vij Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:15:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44452 <p>What a wonderful idea. And after returning our passports let's empty our savings accounts and send them to the Saudi royal family, the guardians of all that is true and good in Islam and personal models of <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001819.html">asceticism</a> and <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001831.html">sobriety</a>.</p> What a wonderful idea. And after returning our passports let’s empty our savings accounts and send them to the Saudi royal family, the guardians of all that is true and good in Islam and personal models of asceticism and sobriety.

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By: Eurodesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44449 Eurodesi Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:01:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44449 <p>Hi Manish:</p> <p>I'm totally with you, dude. Let's not have any truck with people who fund terrorists. Let us cleanse ourselves of all dealings with them and work to obliterate their name from this planet.</p> <p>In solidarity with this movement I am returning my Indian passport to the local consulate. Once stateless, I shall join in the Global Jihad against People who Fund Terrorists, ie. against the Indian government, the US government, and any other sort of government.</p> <p>I hope you will join me in this crusade, brother. Send your passport back to those Contra funding swine in the White House today.</p> Hi Manish:

I’m totally with you, dude. Let’s not have any truck with people who fund terrorists. Let us cleanse ourselves of all dealings with them and work to obliterate their name from this planet.

In solidarity with this movement I am returning my Indian passport to the local consulate. Once stateless, I shall join in the Global Jihad against People who Fund Terrorists, ie. against the Indian government, the US government, and any other sort of government.

I hope you will join me in this crusade, brother. Send your passport back to those Contra funding swine in the White House today.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44447 Manish Vij Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:54:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44447 <blockquote>.. because, as you say, they fund madrasas.</blockquote> <p>No, because they knowingly fund terrorists.</p> <blockquote>What do you suggest India do... What exactly are you trying to sell...</blockquote> <p>See post.</p> <blockquote>... the only credible opposition to the House of Sa'ud in the Nejd is currently fronted by Osama bin Laden.</blockquote> <p>Because dictatorships and oligarchies have shut down all opposition political parties except the Islamist ones, which they can't because they live under the shield of being nominally Islamic governments. <a href="http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/020606.html">This is why Hamas won</a>. The U.S. has consistently backed these states rather than democracy due to its dependence on oil.</p> .. because, as you say, they fund madrasas.

No, because they knowingly fund terrorists.

What do you suggest India do… What exactly are you trying to sell…

See post.

… the only credible opposition to the House of Sa’ud in the Nejd is currently fronted by Osama bin Laden.

Because dictatorships and oligarchies have shut down all opposition political parties except the Islamist ones, which they can’t because they live under the shield of being nominally Islamic governments. This is why Hamas won. The U.S. has consistently backed these states rather than democracy due to its dependence on oil.

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By: Eurodesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44443 Eurodesi Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44443 <p>Manish: Dude, I have more chips on my shoulder about more things in the numberless universes than your minuscule imagination can prepare to contemplate (as Krishna once remarked, offhand, to Arjuna). At least, I think you were talking to me, though you started out quoting Kush and then switched to me.</p> <p>You and I can sensibly disagree about shutting down places where terrorist recruiters gather (you think it will help, I think they will go somewhere else - but then the proof of the pudding in each case is in the regurgiation). What we cannot reconcile is your apparent feeling that the Indian government should practice achuthya against the Saudis because, as you say, they fund madrasas. Only Islamophobia can possibly justify such an outrageous, bass ackwards, policy. What do you suggest India do, squeeze the Saudis where it hurts by stopping all oil purchases to drive down world prices? Why do you even want to hurt the Saudis when you know what the alternatives in the Islamic world are? I mean, the only credible opposition to the House of Sa'ud in the Nejd is currently fronted by Osama bin Laden. What exactly are you trying to sell, Manish?</p> Manish: Dude, I have more chips on my shoulder about more things in the numberless universes than your minuscule imagination can prepare to contemplate (as Krishna once remarked, offhand, to Arjuna). At least, I think you were talking to me, though you started out quoting Kush and then switched to me.

You and I can sensibly disagree about shutting down places where terrorist recruiters gather (you think it will help, I think they will go somewhere else – but then the proof of the pudding in each case is in the regurgiation). What we cannot reconcile is your apparent feeling that the Indian government should practice achuthya against the Saudis because, as you say, they fund madrasas. Only Islamophobia can possibly justify such an outrageous, bass ackwards, policy. What do you suggest India do, squeeze the Saudis where it hurts by stopping all oil purchases to drive down world prices? Why do you even want to hurt the Saudis when you know what the alternatives in the Islamic world are? I mean, the only credible opposition to the House of Sa’ud in the Nejd is currently fronted by Osama bin Laden. What exactly are you trying to sell, Manish?

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By: Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44230 Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:18:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44230 <p><i>I was furious about Bush continuing his sabre rattling towards Iran. He said something to the effect that people of Iran need to be free. WTF? Didnt they become free from a US puppet rule of the Shah of Iran?</i></p> <p>The US also helped overthrow the democratically-elected Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953. Actually, Britain was the main instigator here as Mossadegh wanted to have access to the records of the British Oil Company profits in Iran (the Iranians were not allowed that!) and re-negotiate the royalties on Oil. So Britain feeded Eisenhower with the 'communist take over' of Iran angle, so that the CIA could get involved in the overthrow of the government.</p> I was furious about Bush continuing his sabre rattling towards Iran. He said something to the effect that people of Iran need to be free. WTF? Didnt they become free from a US puppet rule of the Shah of Iran?

The US also helped overthrow the democratically-elected Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953. Actually, Britain was the main instigator here as Mossadegh wanted to have access to the records of the British Oil Company profits in Iran (the Iranians were not allowed that!) and re-negotiate the royalties on Oil. So Britain feeded Eisenhower with the ‘communist take over’ of Iran angle, so that the CIA could get involved in the overthrow of the government.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44215 RC Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:00:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44215 <p>I was furious about Bush continuing his sabre rattling towards Iran. He said something to the effect that people of Iran need to be free. WTF? Didnt they become free from a US puppet rule of the Shah of Iran?</p> <p>Anyways, I get riled up about this, because the empty rhetoric towards Iran doesnt do anything but elevate the supply concern in the world Oil futures. As it is 15-20$ price per barrel is due to the "supply concerns". Well, I got most of my money invested in US stocks.. I cant have OIL at $90 and US economy tanking ;)</p> I was furious about Bush continuing his sabre rattling towards Iran. He said something to the effect that people of Iran need to be free. WTF? Didnt they become free from a US puppet rule of the Shah of Iran?

Anyways, I get riled up about this, because the empty rhetoric towards Iran doesnt do anything but elevate the supply concern in the world Oil futures. As it is 15-20$ price per barrel is due to the “supply concerns”. Well, I got most of my money invested in US stocks.. I cant have OIL at $90 and US economy tanking ;)

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44213 Ennis Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:56:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44213 <p>OTOH, here's one very interesting tech solution - flying windmills:</p> <blockquote> According to their figures, one flying windmill rated at 240kW with rotor diameters of 35 feet could generate power for <b>less than two cents per kilowatt hour--that would make them the cheapest power source in the world</b>. For greater power needs, several units would be operated in the same location--Sky Windpower says that an installation "rated at 2.81 megawatts flying at a typical U.S. site with an eighty percent capacity factor projects a life cycle cost per kilowatt hour at 1.4 cents." [<a href="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004052.html">Link</a>]</blockquote> OTOH, here’s one very interesting tech solution – flying windmills:

According to their figures, one flying windmill rated at 240kW with rotor diameters of 35 feet could generate power for less than two cents per kilowatt hour–that would make them the cheapest power source in the world. For greater power needs, several units would be operated in the same location–Sky Windpower says that an installation “rated at 2.81 megawatts flying at a typical U.S. site with an eighty percent capacity factor projects a life cycle cost per kilowatt hour at 1.4 cents.” [Link]
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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44212 Ennis Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:53:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44212 <blockquote>President George W Bush has warned the <b>US must break its "addiction" to oil</b>, in his State of the Union address. He said the US was too reliant on oil, often from "unstable" countries, and had to find alternatives. In his televised, prime-time address, Mr Bush described the nation's dependence on imported oil as "a serious problem". "<b>The best way to break this addiction is through technology</b>," he said, pledging to seek a 22% increase in funding for clean energy research, including nuclear and renewable energy. He said he was aiming for a 75% cut in US oil imports from the Middle East by 2025. [<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4665758.stm">Link</a>]</blockquote> <p>Funny, when the left says this stuff, the right criticizes it. When the President says it, the right stays mum. For what it's worth - I think it's a simplistic thesis and a simplistic solution. Parts of it are valid and true, and parts of it are full of -----.</p> President George W Bush has warned the US must break its “addiction” to oil, in his State of the Union address. He said the US was too reliant on oil, often from “unstable” countries, and had to find alternatives. In his televised, prime-time address, Mr Bush described the nation’s dependence on imported oil as “a serious problem”. “The best way to break this addiction is through technology,” he said, pledging to seek a 22% increase in funding for clean energy research, including nuclear and renewable energy. He said he was aiming for a 75% cut in US oil imports from the Middle East by 2025. [Link]

Funny, when the left says this stuff, the right criticizes it. When the President says it, the right stays mum. For what it’s worth – I think it’s a simplistic thesis and a simplistic solution. Parts of it are valid and true, and parts of it are full of —–.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-2/#comment-44171 Kush Tandon Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:16:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44171 <p><b>Expose,</b></p> <p><a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html">Here it is</a> - It is just a factsheet that gave the numbers.</p> Expose,

Here it is – It is just a factsheet that gave the numbers.

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By: Expose http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/30/copetition/comment-page-1/#comment-44166 Expose Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:37:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2935#comment-44166 <p>Kush, The link you provided to the CIA publication does not work. Would appreciate a retry. Many Thanks!</p> Kush, The link you provided to the CIA publication does not work. Would appreciate a retry. Many Thanks!

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