Comments on: Throw a dog a bone http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: HinduMan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-240561 HinduMan Wed, 27 May 2009 13:49:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-240561 <blockquote>14 · indicorps on January 30, 2006 03:34 AM · Direct link APPLY ONLINE NOW: Indicorps offers competitive fellowships for people of Indian origin interested in spending one to two years (Starting August 2006) on unique development and service projects in India. Fellowships are designed as one-of-a-kind transformational experiences, emphasizing both public service and personal growth. Indicorps, an international non-profit organization with operations in the US, UK and India, will provide a stipend to 25 fellows who are willing to commit a minimum of one year to implement service projects established with partner organizations in India. This year, Indicorps is also offering opportunities to work on innovative independent projects through a "Grassroots Development Laboratory." All fellows will participate in a four-week orientation program, strengthen their understanding of India through regular workshops, and are actively supported by Indicorps and partner organizations. Prospective fellows must be of Indian origin with a college degree or five years equivalent work experience. Fellowship Applications are due on March 20, 2006. Visit www.indicorps.org or email info@indicorps.org for more information.</blockquote> <p>Say no to Indicorps! It is a Gujurati organization that is non-secular and supports Hindutva (Vishwa Hindu Parishad). My friend got rejected by Indicorps because he didn't graduate from an Ivy League</p> 14 · indicorps on January 30, 2006 03:34 AM · Direct link APPLY ONLINE NOW: Indicorps offers competitive fellowships for people of Indian origin interested in spending one to two years (Starting August 2006) on unique development and service projects in India. Fellowships are designed as one-of-a-kind transformational experiences, emphasizing both public service and personal growth. Indicorps, an international non-profit organization with operations in the US, UK and India, will provide a stipend to 25 fellows who are willing to commit a minimum of one year to implement service projects established with partner organizations in India. This year, Indicorps is also offering opportunities to work on innovative independent projects through a “Grassroots Development Laboratory.” All fellows will participate in a four-week orientation program, strengthen their understanding of India through regular workshops, and are actively supported by Indicorps and partner organizations. Prospective fellows must be of Indian origin with a college degree or five years equivalent work experience. Fellowship Applications are due on March 20, 2006. Visit http://www.indicorps.org or email info@indicorps.org for more information.

Say no to Indicorps! It is a Gujurati organization that is non-secular and supports Hindutva (Vishwa Hindu Parishad). My friend got rejected by Indicorps because he didn’t graduate from an Ivy League

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-44242 Manish Vij Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:16:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-44242 <p>On the flip side, symbolic actions like recognizing Diwali (not the silliness about parking) indicate respect and parity. That I like.</p> <blockquote>I vote for politicians who promise... extremely hawkish about security (even with sacrifice of privacy outside the confines one's home)... non-nanny-State philosiphy.</blockquote> <p>MoorNam, experts do unbundle, I agree with that. But your pro-police state vs. anti-nanny state stance is a huge contradiction, not only internally but with the label <b>libert</b>arian.</p> On the flip side, symbolic actions like recognizing Diwali (not the silliness about parking) indicate respect and parity. That I like.

I vote for politicians who promise… extremely hawkish about security (even with sacrifice of privacy outside the confines one’s home)… non-nanny-State philosiphy.

MoorNam, experts do unbundle, I agree with that. But your pro-police state vs. anti-nanny state stance is a huge contradiction, not only internally but with the label libertarian.

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By: ace http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43907 ace Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:20:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43907 <blockquote>Abhi, I agree with your point that we should be looking for more substantial issues, but I also think it's nice that these festivals etc are recognized.</blockquote> <p>yes, it is important that these are recognized. my father, who is involved in politics locally, would say this is an indication of progress compared to what he saw when he came here in the early 70's. at the same time, the next step(s) need to be taken. however, to imply these steps are not being taken is wrong (from what i have seen locally,) especially using these articles as context.</p> <p>it's also natural for someone to report these types of appearances at this time. this would be similar to reporting on a politician's appearance in the puerto rican day parade (a big deal in chicago.) even <a href="http://www.laraza.com/">la raza</a> would report on that appearance.</p> <p>in any case, it should come to no one's surprise that it may take some time for us to get "better. the history of asian-americans is still very short, and it will lag those of other minority groups. and while south asians themselves (let alone all asians) are a diverse group (like the hispanics,) there are many common issues that were mentioned above.</p> <p>one that i didn't see was immigration policy (i apologize if someone had mentioned it.) however, there are examples of south asians coming together on that issue. a congressional district in the northwest suburubs of chicago was recently won by a democrat (melissa bean) who had help from south asians. she beat a republican who was their for over 30 years, but had ignored the south asians. well, she recently supported a bill that would curb immigration, including those from asia. many indians (both in an organized and unorganized fashion) have written to her. this is an example of how we don't always "ignore getting involved in substantive issues."</p> <p>this also shows how important it is to be active on local levels. it is being involvied in these local issues that will lead to things on a greater, national level. i think many overachieving asian american want "us" to jump in the limelight, often ignoring the fact they could do more by participating at the local level. and this, at least in chicago, is improving. i could go on, but that's already too long for my taste...</p> Abhi, I agree with your point that we should be looking for more substantial issues, but I also think it’s nice that these festivals etc are recognized.

yes, it is important that these are recognized. my father, who is involved in politics locally, would say this is an indication of progress compared to what he saw when he came here in the early 70′s. at the same time, the next step(s) need to be taken. however, to imply these steps are not being taken is wrong (from what i have seen locally,) especially using these articles as context.

it’s also natural for someone to report these types of appearances at this time. this would be similar to reporting on a politician’s appearance in the puerto rican day parade (a big deal in chicago.) even la raza would report on that appearance.

in any case, it should come to no one’s surprise that it may take some time for us to get “better. the history of asian-americans is still very short, and it will lag those of other minority groups. and while south asians themselves (let alone all asians) are a diverse group (like the hispanics,) there are many common issues that were mentioned above.

one that i didn’t see was immigration policy (i apologize if someone had mentioned it.) however, there are examples of south asians coming together on that issue. a congressional district in the northwest suburubs of chicago was recently won by a democrat (melissa bean) who had help from south asians. she beat a republican who was their for over 30 years, but had ignored the south asians. well, she recently supported a bill that would curb immigration, including those from asia. many indians (both in an organized and unorganized fashion) have written to her. this is an example of how we don’t always “ignore getting involved in substantive issues.”

this also shows how important it is to be active on local levels. it is being involvied in these local issues that will lead to things on a greater, national level. i think many overachieving asian american want “us” to jump in the limelight, often ignoring the fact they could do more by participating at the local level. and this, at least in chicago, is improving. i could go on, but that’s already too long for my taste…

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43889 MoorNam Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:40:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43889 <p>As I've said <a href="http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=4744">before</a>...One should vote based on what's important for their <u>individual selves</u>, and not for any collective cause. We should make our own judgement as to what issue is important to us <u>personally</u>, and not necessarily towards claims that others make that it's good for the country.</p> <p>I vote for politicians who promise lower taxes, free-trade, intolerant of illegal immigration, increasing legal immigration (especially from India), lesser government in non-security matters, extremely hawkish about security (even with sacrifice of privacy outside the confines one's home), racial tolerance, non-nanny-State philosiphy.</p> <p>I don't care for politicians who promise Social Security, Medicare, more-Government, Moral Equivalents, Affirmative Action, Racial and Religious Quotas, etc etc.</p> <p>On things like Abortion I have no position. People who want to abort should be free to do so, at their own expense. If Conservatives overturn RoeVsWade, it may not effect me much because I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford to go to Canada or India should the need arise.</p> <p>On things like stem-cell research, I am with the Liberals - primarily because other countries will steal a march on America if it's banned.</p> <p>In a nutshell - a Libertarian like myself ends up choosing the lesser of two evils <b>at that particular election</b>. In the next elections, my vote may reverse completely based on the issues I'm concerned about at that point in time. And no samosa eating politician can change that.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> As I’ve said before…One should vote based on what’s important for their individual selves, and not for any collective cause. We should make our own judgement as to what issue is important to us personally, and not necessarily towards claims that others make that it’s good for the country.

I vote for politicians who promise lower taxes, free-trade, intolerant of illegal immigration, increasing legal immigration (especially from India), lesser government in non-security matters, extremely hawkish about security (even with sacrifice of privacy outside the confines one’s home), racial tolerance, non-nanny-State philosiphy.

I don’t care for politicians who promise Social Security, Medicare, more-Government, Moral Equivalents, Affirmative Action, Racial and Religious Quotas, etc etc.

On things like Abortion I have no position. People who want to abort should be free to do so, at their own expense. If Conservatives overturn RoeVsWade, it may not effect me much because I’m fortunate enough to be able to afford to go to Canada or India should the need arise.

On things like stem-cell research, I am with the Liberals – primarily because other countries will steal a march on America if it’s banned.

In a nutshell – a Libertarian like myself ends up choosing the lesser of two evils at that particular election. In the next elections, my vote may reverse completely based on the issues I’m concerned about at that point in time. And no samosa eating politician can change that.

M. Nam

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By: Bong Breaker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43888 Bong Breaker Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:31:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43888 <p>Kush I like the way you censor out all the swear words with unpredictable numbers of asterisks but leave in "Marcellus Wallace don't like to be fucked by anybody" unchanged! ;)</p> <p>As I have nothing to contribute to a discussion about American voting, allow me to say Gong Hai Fat Choi as well and happy new year of the main course.</p> Kush I like the way you censor out all the swear words with unpredictable numbers of asterisks but leave in “Marcellus Wallace don’t like to be fucked by anybody” unchanged! ;)

As I have nothing to contribute to a discussion about American voting, allow me to say Gong Hai Fat Choi as well and happy new year of the main course.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43887 Abhi Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:25:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43887 <p>Let me put another example out there to explain my point. Last year the Asian American Hotel Owners Association made a big stink about bringing Modi to the U.S. to speak. When he was denied by the State Department some AAHOA members made a stink. But why haven't I seen any mention of the AAHOA weighing in on the Guest Worker Program debate? Surely this is an issue that affects their businesses. Many of those hotel owners hire illegal immigrants and they would see a definite financial hit if some of the more conservative members of Congress got their way. This is an issue that you might find a lot of unity on within the South Asian community and yet IÂ’ve heard nothing from this potentially influential group.</p> Let me put another example out there to explain my point. Last year the Asian American Hotel Owners Association made a big stink about bringing Modi to the U.S. to speak. When he was denied by the State Department some AAHOA members made a stink. But why haven’t I seen any mention of the AAHOA weighing in on the Guest Worker Program debate? Surely this is an issue that affects their businesses. Many of those hotel owners hire illegal immigrants and they would see a definite financial hit if some of the more conservative members of Congress got their way. This is an issue that you might find a lot of unity on within the South Asian community and yet IÂ’ve heard nothing from this potentially influential group.

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By: green angel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43884 green angel Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:01:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43884 <p>Abhi,</p> <p>I agree with your point that we should be looking for more substantial issues, but I also think it's nice that these festivals etc are recognized.</p> Abhi,

I agree with your point that we should be looking for more substantial issues, but I also think it’s nice that these festivals etc are recognized.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43880 Kush Tandon Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:37:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43880 <p>A big correction: Now let me please talk to <b>You must be joking</b>:</p> <p>Sorry, <b>A more original name</b></p> A big correction: Now let me please talk to You must be joking:

Sorry, A more original name

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By: brownfrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43879 brownfrown Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:35:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43879 <p>Pandering to special-interest or religious/cultural communities is a cheap, dirty trick and one that happens in every democracy. Look at India and the fallout from Indira Gandhi's tactics on that issue and the more recent BJP defeat - we're still not sure if the party was too soft on catering to the minority votes, too hard in not taking into consideration the needs of the rural underclass or just too fascist in general. The onus is not on the politicians and the public servants to be less smarmy - it goes with the territory; it's the responsibility of the voter to respond or not to respond to these all-too-obvious overtures.</p> <p>As for the "brown vote". I don't know what that means. I would probably vote alongside my brown friends who are all New Democrats (Canada, yo). I wouldn't necessarily vote with my family who are all suburban-Ontarian and who strategically will switch between the Liberal and the Conservative vote depending on issues of taxes and finance. And I would certainly not vote with any of thier friends who spew some of the most racist, ignorant, homophobic crap I've ever heard outside of redneck yahoos in the movies.</p> <p>We may feel the weight of our home/diasporic culture in every thing we do and say but we have to also see ourselves as responsible citizens of our host country - or for many of us - our country of birth. We have to vote with the issues that speak to each of us and ignore whatever some greasy politician is trying to bribe the whole of "us" with. Which also brings up the point that they don't ever seem to get - "Hindu" is not a category really. I'm Bengali - Diwali frankly means very little to me or my family. It might as well be Chinese New Year or Christmas - a lot of fun to participate in, but still kind of foreign. So there goes that silly tactic.</p> Pandering to special-interest or religious/cultural communities is a cheap, dirty trick and one that happens in every democracy. Look at India and the fallout from Indira Gandhi’s tactics on that issue and the more recent BJP defeat – we’re still not sure if the party was too soft on catering to the minority votes, too hard in not taking into consideration the needs of the rural underclass or just too fascist in general. The onus is not on the politicians and the public servants to be less smarmy – it goes with the territory; it’s the responsibility of the voter to respond or not to respond to these all-too-obvious overtures.

As for the “brown vote”. I don’t know what that means. I would probably vote alongside my brown friends who are all New Democrats (Canada, yo). I wouldn’t necessarily vote with my family who are all suburban-Ontarian and who strategically will switch between the Liberal and the Conservative vote depending on issues of taxes and finance. And I would certainly not vote with any of thier friends who spew some of the most racist, ignorant, homophobic crap I’ve ever heard outside of redneck yahoos in the movies.

We may feel the weight of our home/diasporic culture in every thing we do and say but we have to also see ourselves as responsible citizens of our host country – or for many of us – our country of birth. We have to vote with the issues that speak to each of us and ignore whatever some greasy politician is trying to bribe the whole of “us” with. Which also brings up the point that they don’t ever seem to get – “Hindu” is not a category really. I’m Bengali – Diwali frankly means very little to me or my family. It might as well be Chinese New Year or Christmas – a lot of fun to participate in, but still kind of foreign. So there goes that silly tactic.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2006/01/29/throw_a_dog_a_b/comment-page-1/#comment-43877 Kush Tandon Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:29:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2929#comment-43877 <p><b>Correction:</b> Let me please quote "Pulp Fiction"</p> Correction: Let me please quote “Pulp Fiction”

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